Drunken Master wrote:Oh and yeah, honestly now...Does anyone here really think that Cell and Freeza would actually team up? Cell would kill Freeza just for giggles.
Does the DBZ filler episode where Goku and Pikuhan battle them in Hell, or the scenes where they're watching the Kid Buu battle together, not count?
MagicBox wrote:He effortlessly beats the crap out of every single one of them, and then Goku shows up and the fight ends with a non-transformed Goku killing #17 all by himself.
Apparently #18 appealing to his vulnerabilities and 17's own original personality forcing himself to make mistakes doesn't qualify as assistance?
MagicBox wrote:I did like the Baby arc and A Hero's Legacy, though. Those were probably GT's only interesting points. The Baby saga played out very well; it's pretty much just a better version of the Garlic Junior saga. It was fun to see Goten get as much spotlight as he did, and Gohan got quite a bit of action as well. Baby's a very fun villian,
Agreed, I found the Bebi arc pretty good myself.
Beware rambling~!
Actually, I very much enjoyed GT for what it was, a pure anime continuation/conclusion with interesting new twists and takes on old story lines and new ideas. With the Bebi arc for instance, aside from some dragging of Bebi's migration to the new Planet Plant and the lack of Gotenks, I found it to be rather awesome. Because of Bebi, we had real conflicts where brother had to face brother, Goku facing his most respected friend in Vegeta as Bebi took him on (with his own sons supporting him no less), etc., etc.
Uub was probably ironically shown in this arc to be as powerful as he'd ever be, with being able to survive Bebi's planet-wide egg siege, doing a decent-enough job to impress Bebi in their first battle, and of course later on turning the tide on his superior Golden Oozaru status by revealing himself from within. I tend to think Uub was, at most after his merging with Buu, equal to Bebi-Vegeta's final form and saw turning himself to chocolate and turning Bebi-Vegeta's insides out as the perfect finish (he obviously didn't account for him going Golden Oozaru). One nice thing with Uub was the warm moment he and Buu share when Buu saves his life, just before they merge, Buu reveals to him the truth of his reincarnation status (which could've opened the doors to so many "hidden power Kid Buu" moments for Uub later on) and was an awesome moment in the series that didn't focus on Goku!
Probably the moments I can watch of GT without getting too bored, episodes 1-8 (once the Para-Para brothers steal a Dragonball and the show goes from comedy nostalgia to confusing analistic confrontations with Luud's cult, things tend to get ... odd), I then like to come back in the series around the revival of Bebi (though I'll still enjoy the Goku/Rilldo battle, but not enough to sit through an entire episode of Goku and Trunks being examined by robots with ki), then the rest of the Bebi and Super 17 arcs are pretty easy and even fun for me to watch for different reasons. Definitely one of my favorite moments in all of GT was the final confrontation with Bebi-Vegeta when Gohan and the others show up to help a very-weakened SSJ4 Goku, aside from the rejection of fusion, it's a very awesome moment where Gohan helps his Father out and almost appears to be the version we remember from DBZ; Goku using the Tayoken was indeed an awesome moment for me.
With the final Dark Dragons arc, eh, I really dislike the first 4 dragons, well ... except for the Ocean female dragon. Other than that, it's really boring for me in that arc from the moment we see the Dragon of pollution start plaguing a town. Even Goku going SSJ4 against a couple of those first few couldn't pique my interest. Then comes along Suu Xing Long, who at first seems to be a typical 1-dimensional villain, that is until he does things not normal for an evil enemy; he spares Pan (which Goku acknowledges), has a vow to never kill a woman or child, and refuses assistance from his selfish brother. I enjoyed Suu Xing Long and SSJ4 Goku's battle a lot; it literally seemed like something from the Matrix and was a pretty good battle with some good hand-to-hand combat, moments of mercy, and one awesome moment I love where Goku and Suu Xing Long put their hands to each other's faces for a seeming double-kill...except they don't shoot. Then comes along San Xing Long, Suu's brother, who is a complete snob and selfish sneak, prompting Suu to even save Goku's life at one point.
After this comes the final battle, a battle I love so much. It was like a battle straight from DBZ, more-so than any other before (well, SSJ4 Goku/Bebi and Goku/Super 17 are rough contenders) IMO. We had Goku blind for starters, a very interesting concept where he was forced to always sense Yi Xing Long's ki, and his 10x Kamehame-Ha couldn't even dent him at first. Then came the reinforcements, aside from Uub being dwarfed like a bitch (though understandably, since Yi Xing Long was way more powerful than Bebi-Vegeta), I loved getting to see the awesome devotion the gang all had to Goku and getting to see Gohan get in on some action. Goku's best attacks, a 10x Kamehame-Ha and a Ryu-ken, only manage to knock the breath out of Yi Xing Long (who by the point of the Ryu-ken is in his Super form and Goku is thankfully rid of his blindness), leaving the door open for Vegeta to come on the scene. Obviously Vegeta's SSJ4 transformation was a bit rushed and it was very confusing he'd wanna go straight to (and even suggesting) fusing rather than try and battle Super Yi Xing Long, but nonetheless, Super Gogeta was just too awesome for words.
In the end, with Gogeta's fusion gone, I was pretty disappointed in the focus of SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta being to perform Fusion again (when it was impossible for too many reasons, one being they hadn't waited an hour and the other being Goku was getting low on energy), probably leaving me only one moment in that episode-long battle to like; when Goku and Vegeta launch a combo Kamehame-Ha/Final Flash. Had they gone all-out and not focused on Fusion, considering Super Yi Xing Long didn't have the 4-Star Ball, they might've pulled off the victory. All though, I loved the following episode with Suu Xing Long's return; where at first he makes it look like he's a villain, it's revealed Goku's body healed him of any negative energy Yi Xing Long's absorption may've inflicted on him. We got to see a fully reformed Suu Xing Long, sorta like Jinzoningen 16 in days long past, perform a spectacular attack that should've finished the last Dragon; only to get a cop-out survival similar to old 1940s serial cliffhangers.
The last confrontation with Super Yi Xing Long, aside from the lack of help from the other senshi at first when Vegeta loses SSJ4, I liked seeing. Vegeta and Goku were, albeit briefly, torn apart like rag-dolls. Yi Xing Long then prepares one last attack, a moment in the series that probably had me on the edge of my seat more than any other (a combination of the music in the Japanese version and intensity of holding off the attack) that wasn't even fully powered. Vegeta wanted to hold off the attack, but Goku knew he couldn't survive it; he
punches him out of the way (a moment I love so much, because it's not a punch of battle, but it's to save Vegeta's life) and takes the attack for the Earth's sake. Goku seriously seems to be dead after this and looks dead when we see his body at the bottom of the crater in a blue tone as his mind begs for Genki. The last duel with Yi Xing Long - with SSJs Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Trunks all confronting him - I also loved, they all gave him everything they had left, only to all be owned like common trash (Vegeta gets his shoulder impaled for goodness sakes).
Vegeta's final pleads for Goku to lend him some of his pride and energy is so touching in many different way, mainly because Vegeta was always thinking of Goku as a slack-off with no pride and always attempted to surpass his power, now he was begging for both. He makes one last hand-to-hand stand, only to get knocked down like worthless garbage. Yi Xing Long thinks it's all over, but then (in probably the most dramatic moment in the GT series) we see Vegeta laugh and tell him he's already dead as Goku rises from his own ashes with a final Genki-dama. Everyone in the universe, everyone Goku ever met (either in the afterlife or physical plane), gave him every bit of energy they could. *I tend to think of Goku holding up against Y Xing Long's last attacks as either the energy of the Genki-dama supporting him or that Goku was already at a deity status in which he couldn't be killed* Goku launches the attack, finishes the Dragon, and peace is finally restored. I personally found that final battle to be a perfect cap-off to the series, as nearly the entire planet is destroyed by the dark dragons' minus energy, but Goku's intestinal fortitude and the will of the other senshi manage to save everything.
We then get the last episode and what can I say, IMO, perfect ending to a fantastic franchise.
You've made some very interesting points and after reading your comments, perhaps it'd be in my best interest to re-evaluate my opinion on GT. 
My bad. It's been a while since I've seen those episodes; I forgot about her assistance. 
