Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Chuquita » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:20 pm

The gr wrote:I find it very ironic that you praised the Champa saga, through the arc didn't have a real villain and is your run of a mill typical torunament where nothing happens.
The fact that we'd just recently had a tournament via Champa is part of why I'm unhappy about having another one so soon. I feel like we've done the tournament thing already.

It wasn't my favorite, but it had the reveal of a parallel Saiyan history/planet and the so far unfulfilled promise of a trip there along with a king who reminds Cabba of Vegeta. Cabba knows the galic gun, but how? Any time there's something I can theorize on and have fun thinking up answers to that instantly boosts the score even if the real answer isn't one I wanted (See: Gokû Black's identity).
There's nothing about the current arc for me to have fun theorizing atm.

I also dug Vegeta's temporary string of good luck, Botamo's Winnie the Pooh design, and Gokû's kaioken blue and in the manga the return of ssjg. It's also the last time we get to see the cool new outfits they gave Gokû and Vegeta.

Beerus using the wish to do something nice for Champa was good.

Hit's Jotaro send up was boring imo, but I like Joseph and Josuke better than Jotaro, so that's probably why.

I didn't like the whole Monaka thing or Zuno thing. I didn't like Buu betting bait and switched out. I didn't like Frost turning out to be evil.
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by The gr » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:29 pm

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The gr wrote:I find it very ironic that you praised the Champa saga, through the arc didn't have a real villain and is your run of a mill typical torunament where nothing happens.
The fact that we'd just recently had a tournament via Champa is part of why I'm unhappy about having another one so soon. I feel like we've done the tournament thing already.

It wasn't my favorite, but it had the reveal of a parallel Saiyan history/planet and the so far unfulfilled promise of a trip there along with a king who reminds Cabba of Vegeta. Cabba knows the galic gun, but how? Any time there's something I can theorize on and have fun thinking up answers to that instantly boosts the score even if the real answer isn't one I wanted (See: Gokû Black's identity).
There's nothing about the current arc for me to have fun theorizing atm.

I also dug Vegeta's temporary string of good luck, Botamo's Winnie the Pooh design, and Gokû's kaioken blue and in the manga the return of ssjg.

Hit's Jotaro send up was boring imo, but I like Joseph and Josuke better than Jotaro, so that's probably why. It's also the last time we get to see the cool new outfits they gave Gokû and Vegeta.

Beerus using the wish to do something nice for Champa was good.

I didn't like the whole Monaka thing or Zuno thing. I didn't like Buu betting bait and switched out. I didn't like Frost turning out to be evil.
well we can all agree, botamo vs goku Manga was an epic figth, and I was kinda disappointing, that we were going to have another typical run of the Mill tournament, but this went for a unique route, seriously have we ever seen a battle Royale in DB, and that the reason why is interesting, and what about the grand priests, speculating his true nature is also very interesting, and something happens in this arc unlike u6, wereas Bergamo exposes goku as a villain, and the Best part,it meant something and it had a consequence for our heroes, that's what I need for a tournament arc,to have consequence and stakes, and the current Saga is doing an ok job and accomplished that unlike the previous tournament, and the cast usage is just better,like seriously they treated buu like garbage in u6, but vegeta was way more entertaining in u6
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Chuquita » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:40 pm

I can't help thinking they're choreographing the ending of this arc to be "and then Gokû used the super db's to bring everyone back".

It is agree to disagree. I'm just not a fan of tournaments. I like having an antagonist. Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu. They were each different and unique. I'm so tired of the godly stuff. I don't care about Whis' dad, or the Omni Kings.
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by The gr » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:44 pm

Chuquita wrote:I can't help thinking they're choreographing the ending of this arc to be "and then Gokû used the super db's to bring everyone back".

It is agree to disagree. I'm just not a fan of tournaments. I like having an antagonist. Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu. They were each different and unique. I'm so tired of the godly stuff. I don't care about Whis' dad, or the Omni Kings.
DBS is really predictable,of course that is going to happen,like in the zamasu arc, I've been knew that Zeno is going to save the day, and I agree, super introducing more gods, damaged the story,by goku befriending the ultimate chibi Chan god,there better not be friends anymore when This tournament is over
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Chuquita » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:55 pm

The gr wrote:
Chuquita wrote:I can't help thinking they're choreographing the ending of this arc to be "and then Gokû used the super db's to bring everyone back".

It is agree to disagree. I'm just not a fan of tournaments. I like having an antagonist. Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu. They were each different and unique. I'm so tired of the godly stuff. I don't care about Whis' dad, or the Omni Kings.
DBS is really predictable,of course that is going to happen,like in the zamasu arc, I've been knew that Zeno is going to save the day, and I agree, super introducing more gods, damaged the story,by goku befriending the ultimate chibi Chan god,there better not be friends anymore when This tournament is over
Gokû's increasing number of get-out-of-jail-free cards really is ruining the tension for me. It would be nice if the Omni Kings break it off, but then I'd just like to not have the two of them to begin with. They're like that kid from that one Twilight Zone episode who could vanish people away.
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by The gr » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:00 pm

Chuquita wrote:
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Chuquita wrote:I can't help thinking they're choreographing the ending of this arc to be "and then Gokû used the super db's to bring everyone back".

It is agree to disagree. I'm just not a fan of tournaments. I like having an antagonist. Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu. They were each different and unique. I'm so tired of the godly stuff. I don't care about Whis' dad, or the Omni Kings.
DBS is really predictable,of course that is going to happen,like in the zamasu arc, I've been knew that Zeno is going to save the day, and I agree, super introducing more gods, damaged the story,by goku befriending the ultimate chibi Chan god,there better not be friends anymore when This tournament is over
Gokû's increasing number of get-out-of-jail-free cards really is ruining the tension for me. It would be nice if the Omni Kings break it off, but then I'd just like to not have the two of them to begin with. They're like that kid from that one Twilight Zone episode who could vanish people away.
Agreed,Goku should not be friends to a physchopath,the universe better be destroyed permanently, because I just hate the idea that the DB Will save the day and goku gets a Jail card and everyone lives happy and the end,if they want the universe to be recovered,at least have goku isolated for 4 year in the world of void, just to at least have Goku a consequence for his reckless action and have him unfriend the higher beings
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Kanassa » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:07 pm

Chuquita wrote:
Gokû's increasing number of get-out-of-jail-free cards really is ruining the tension for me.
An entire timeline was destroyed, that is not a get out of jail free card. That is a get out of jail after you blow up your country card
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by MathSSJ » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:47 pm

BoG arc - 4/10: So inconsequential it's the one piece of DB media that I probably won't watch again anytime soon.

RoF arc - 3/10: Only reason this justifies it's own existence is due to overall better handle of story then it's movie counterpart.

Champa arc - 6/10: Nothing special, nothing atrocious. Yeah, ep 33 sucked, but ep 38 was fantastic so that makes up for me. The Kaioken coming back and Vegeta's salty face about it is totally worth the watch alone.

Future Trunks arc - 7/10: Totally saved by it's ending, Black's character his dynamic with Zamasu and Goku.

Universe Survival arc - 7/10 as of now: A few issues here and there, and Goku's dickness could be toned up a notch, but enjoyable for what it is.

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Simere » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:14 am

U6: 5
Black: 4
US: Let's say 7 so far.

I don't count the movie arcs as being Super, they were just terrible rehashing.

Those are my ratings of the storytelling. As far as my enjoyment of the series, it's always 8-10. I enjoy every episode and always look forward to the next one.

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Super Saiyan Swagger » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:15 am

Battle of Gods arc: 7/10
Good retelling of the film. Would've been better if the fight between God Goku and Beerus was shorter.

Episodes leading up to the Resurrection 'F' arc: 9/10
Mr Satan trying to explain how he "defeated" Beerus, Vegeta trying to convince Whis to train him, Goku trying to convince Whis to also train him, Goku and Vegeta doing house chores at Beerus's home. It's all great.

Resurrection 'F' arc: 5/10
Ughhhhh... If it weren't for Episodes 22 and 27 I'd shit all over this.

Champa arc: 8/10
Really enjoyed it. Lots of great character moments. Hit is one of the coolest characters to come out of Dragon Ball. Goku vs Hit has gone down as one of my favourite fights in the entire series. The arc is held back by some poorly animated episodes such as Episode 33.

Episodes leading up to Future Trunks arc: 7/10
I loved episodes 42 and 43. The gang trying to cover up Monaka's weakness by having Beerus dress up in a Monaka costume was hilarious. That Pan episode was adorable and had some really touching moments. The 3 episode mini arc of that stupid jelly thing was kinda lame. It had a decent fight but that was about it really.

Future Trunks arc: 9/10
This has gone down as my 3rd favourite Dragon Ball arc ever. Absolutely fantastic. Goku Black is one of the best Dragon Ball villains ever. He's intimidating, brutal and wields a fucking energy blade omg. This is all made even better thanks to Masako Nozawa's chilling performance. There are spectacular fight scenes throughout the arc thanks to the animation. Future Trunks is my favourite character so for him to return already made me excited for the arc and he did not disappoint. So many fantastic moments. The arc has a really shocking conclusion that I really dug. What stops this from getting a 10 were some stupid character moments *cough*Goku*cough* and some missed opportunities that the manga seems to be taking advantage of. Overall though, I thoroughly enjoyed this arc and cannot wait to rewatch it in the English dub.

Universal Survival arc: 9/10
It's sooo good so far. If they utilise the side characters properly and take every opportunity for a great moment then this might just top the Future Trunks arc for me. The fights have all been great so far.

Dragon Ball Super so far: 8/10
I really like DBS. It's had its poor moments but it has really stepped up its quality ever since the Champa arc.

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:46 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Hate to say I told ya so... because I told everyone so. Everyone was so hyped up when it was still going on that they couldn't realize how bankrupt the arc was of actual substance.
Ha. I definitely enjoyed it more when it was going on. But, yeah marathoning it made some of it's flaws clear as day. Substance wasn't much of an issue as much as the pacing was. The arc drags ass a lot. The back-and-forth into future and present gets tiring real quick. The Mafuuba plot point was also kind of pointless. I blame poor planning.

And, from #60 onwards it collapses. They just weren't able to handle back-to-back action heavy episodes. If we got good like #63 and #66, #62, #64 and #67 were a total mess.

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:52 am

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Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Hate to say I told ya so... because I told everyone so. Everyone was so hyped up when it was still going on that they couldn't realize how bankrupt the arc was of actual substance.
Ha. I definitely enjoyed it more when it was going on. But, yeah marathoning it made some of it's flaws clear as day. Substance wasn't much of an issue as much as the pacing was. The arc drags ass a lot. The back-and-forth into future and present gets tiring real quick. The Mafuba plot point was also kind of pointless. I blame poor planning.

And, from #60 onwards it collapses. They just weren't able to handle back-to-back action heavy episodes. If we got good like #63 and #66, #62, #64 and #67 were a total mess.
In that arc, substance and pacing are practically interchangeable complaints. Sometimes things are happening and the rest of the time they just aren't. Stacked on top of the other problems the story suffered from, it's unbelievable what a great reputation it has.
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by sintzu » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:05 am

BOG : 6

RF : 7

Champa : 8

Zamasu : 7

Overall : 7

The current arc : If things keep going the way they are then I'll probably give it a 5 which will drop the overall to 6.6.
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Cipher » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:17 am

I've done complex math and determined I don't think it's a very good series.
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Miracles » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:48 am

The ending theme was nice.

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Ki Breaker » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:04 am

I have given it a rating but I would like to mention the rewatch value as well..
Its NULL, I can't rewatch the episodes because they are so god damn boring, specially rof and trunks arc..
I hope this arc scores good points in that
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by King-K9 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:51 am

BOG: 3.5/10
ROF: 2/10
Champa: 6/10
Trunks: 2.5/10

Honestly, I dropped Super after episode 82. This arc so far is just painful to watch. Ruining Goku's character, and Krillin suddenly jumping from Cell Jr level to beyond God Goku level despite barley ever training is just unwatchable

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Ki Breaker » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:19 pm

King-K9 wrote:BOG: 3.5/10
ROF: 2/10
Champa: 6/10
Trunks: 2.5/10

Honestly, I dropped Super after episode 82. This arc so far is just painful to watch. Ruining Goku's character, and Krillin suddenly jumping from Cell Jr level to beyond God Goku level despite barley ever training is just unwatchable
1- Krillin was never cell junior level that time not ever ( he still isn't for me, but that's debatable )
2- Krillin didn't make any jump in power to the realm of gods, the show broke its Mouth saying he was fighting by techniques and not raw power, the moment goku forced him to a raw Kamehameha struggle, he was screwed and hence 18 saved him..
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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Bansho64 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:20 pm

4.5/1, if we're talkin purely bout my opinion on the show's quality. If we're strictly talkin enjoyment level, it's a 4/10. Maybe a 3.5. Nah, that's too harsh. 4/10 fits it.

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Re: Whats your current rating of Super as of episode 84?

Post by Roronoa-pt » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:22 pm

I'll rate the Arcs first.

DRAGON BALL SUPER

Battle of Gods arc: 6/10

Resurrection 'F arc: 3/10

U6 Tournament arc: 6/10

Future Trunks arc: 8/10

Universal survival arc (so far): 7/10

Overall: 6/10

For reference:

DRAGON BALL

Pilaf arc: 6/10

21st Tenkaichi Budokai: 7/10

Red Ribbon Army Arc: 7/10

Piccolo Daimao Arc: 10/10

23rd Tenkaichi Budokai: 8/10

Overall: 8.5/10

DRAGON BALL Z

Saiyajin Arc: 10/10
Namek Arc: 9/10
Androids Arc: 8/10
Buu Arc: 7/10

Overall: 8.5/10

DRAGON BALL GT

Black Dragon Balls Arc: 2/10
Baby Arc: 5/10
Super 17 Arc: 3/10
Shadow Dragons Arc: 4/10

Overall: 3/10

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