"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[The gr]

That's subjective. It's not going to be rushed and end abruptly for your sake. Others, including myself, are enjoying the story and interested to see how it turns out.

Rushed? Like isn't 60 pages enough to have Merged Zamasu beating the crap out Goku and Vegeta, leading them to fuse, then epic battle between fusions, Vegetto/Gogeta wins, Trunks is happy, they leave, goodbyes to everyone, the end. I actually think is more than enough though

are you trying to kill toyotaro,60 pages that is insane,his art will get even worse if he do that risky gamble,I say this will end next month or in June because I don't want to see a rushed ending and​ finale

[mfwlegend3]

have Merged Zamasu beating the crap out Goku and Vegeta, leading them to fuse, then epic battle between fusions, Vegetto/Gogeta wins, Trunks is happy, they leave, goodbyes to everyone, the end.

I actually think is more than enough though

Please, that would be the epitome of rushed shit put into one chapter. I suggest you stop reading until the Universal Survival arc comes. Because it definitely isn't ending this month because you want it to.

[Noah]

]are you trying to kill toyotaro,60 pages that is insane,his art will get even worse if he do that risky gamble,I say this will end next month or in June because I don't want to see a rushed ending and​ finale

Oh but June? You expect this to end in June? Like really? This arc ending in the same month it was debuted in the anime last year? My god... Okay maybe not this month, but certainly in May.

[The gr]

]are you trying to kill toyotaro,60 pages that is insane,his art will get even worse if he do that risky gamble,I say this will end next month or in June because I don't want to see a rushed ending and​ finale

Oh but June? You expect this to end in June? Like really? This arc ending in the same month it was debuted in the anime last year? My god... Okay maybe not this month, but certainly in May.

That my friend is Called irony, This better ends in May or June

[mfwlegend3]

Okay maybe not this month, but certainly in May.

Basically.

Next month can cover Vegetto fighting Merged Zamasu, defusing, Goku calling Zen'o, ect. in one chapter.

[OLKv3]

On topic, I'm not understanding why people say Manga Black is a clone of Xicor from AF. He looks like him but that's it. Reading AF right now, Xicor acts very much like Anime Black, from the constant smugness and shit eating grin, to loving battles. Only thing missing is he's not as flamboyant

Manga Black is literally Zamasu, a petulant brat who loses it when he can't get his way

[mfwlegend3]

Reading AF right now

You're welcome.

[Black Hawk]

Seems it comes from Professional Wrestling. That actually makes it come off as even more obnoxious.

It's a wrestling term. To Job is to lose decisively, usually without making yourself look good in anyway (Or get utterly destroyed by someone in some fashion). A jobber is someone who constantly loses, and never looks good. Is merely around to lose and make someone else look dominant. A jobber to the stars is a jobber who only gets to beat other losers from time to time, but mostly loses to more established people all the time.

Job is a term from wrestling which simply means to lose a match. dbzfan is a little incorrect, as to job does not mean losing decivesly, it simply means losing, aka "doing the job". People misuse it and treat it as the term "jobber", which is someone who regularly jobs to make others look good. Hence why Vegeta is a jobber, because it's his job to make the main villain look threatening by getting beat by them

Thank you, guys!

[batistabus]

Those requirements were never said as far as I can remember.

Through Metamoran fusion, anyone can fuse with anyone.

From Viz.
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The Full Color interview provides a light retcon so that it's POSSIBLE for anyone to fuse, it's just very difficult. I think that's totally fine. That said, being that fusion between dissimilar people is excessively difficult, it likely wouldn't be possible with an on-the-spot first attempt.

[Grimlock]

You mentioned "They need to be as close as possible in mind and spirit", those ones I was referring to.

These ones, similar height and power, will forever be requirements in order for the fusion dance to work, while "mind" and "spirit" were never mentioned. That interview actually cites "mind" but it's to concentrate in the fusion itself, to be synchronized with one's partner during the dance part, the fusees don't need to have "similar mind and spirit", also, it can be overcome once they get good at it.

[LightBing]

Toyotarõ could easily make Gogeta work. He could say that Goku and Vegeta, because they fused once before, can use the fusion dance easily even with all the requirements. Basically they would be in-sync with little difficulty.
The above, to me, is totally a Dragon Ball explanation. It kinda sounds like a retcon but at the same time makes sense and you can't argue against it; besides saying they should have informed us of this at the time.

I don't understand why the "Gogeta vs Vegetto" discussion has so much traction. They are basically the same. I understand preferring one or the other, still to few differences to really matter, the core is the same.

I only prefer Gogeta because the time-limit retcon for the potaras in the anime was awful.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Toyotarõ could easily make Gogeta work. He could say that Goku and Vegeta, because they fused once before, can use the fusion dance easily even with all the requirements. Basically they would be in-sync with little difficulty.
The above, to me, is totally a Dragon Ball explanation. It kinda sounds like a retcon but at the same time makes sense and you can't argue against it; besides saying they should have informed us of this at the time.

I don't understand why the "Gogeta vs Vegetto" discussion has so much traction. They are basically the same. I understand preferring one or the other, still to few differences to really matter, the core is the same.

I only prefer Gogeta because the time-limit retcon for the potaras in the anime was awful.

I don't think anyone's arguing he couldn't conceivably do it, only that it isn't a useful or likely possibility for several reasons. Quite frankly, I'm disappointed that so many people are actually giving such an idea any relevance. It's wishful thinking, and foundationless at that.

[batistabus]

You mentioned "They need to be as close as possible in mind and spirit", those ones I was referring to.

Mind: The concept of being "in sync".

Spirit: Matching ki.

Do you disagree that these are required for fusion?

[Grimlock]

Not when you put it that way.

[LightBing]

I don't think anyone's arguing he couldn't conceivably do it, only that it isn't a useful or likely possibility for several reasons. Quite frankly, I'm disappointed that so many people are actually giving such an idea any relevance. It's wishful thinking, and foundationless at that.

It's about as likely as Super Saiyan God Vegeta was in the previous chapter, not surprised people believe it can happen. I'm just surprised the topic hasn't worn out yet, it's being discussed for a few days now and I find it lacking.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't think anyone's arguing he couldn't conceivably do it, only that it isn't a useful or likely possibility for several reasons. Quite frankly, I'm disappointed that so many people are actually giving such an idea any relevance. It's wishful thinking, and foundationless at that.

It's about as likely as Super Saiyan God Vegeta was in the previous chapter, not surprised people believe it can happen. I'm just surprised the topic hasn't worn out yet, it's being discussed for a few days now and I find it lacking.

No, it's far less likely than that. Super Saiyan God was already something that Toyotaro was actively using. I wasn't expecting it so soon, but it doesn't surprise me at all the Vegeta achieved the transformation. Gogeta, on the other hand, has only appeared twice ever. One of those lasted all of 1 minute in a movie, and in the other, he was basically Gotenks. Neither of those appeared in, or are even referenced by Toriyama's original work, which Toyotaro has been faithful to.

I do agree that the topic is really old though.

[OLKv3]

Reading AF right now

You're welcome.

Hope you do this a lot more anon

[Miracles]

Wow, does it really matter if Toriyama allows Toyotaro to use Gogeta blue or Vegetto red?
The fact of the matter is, Vegeta and Kakarot are capable of both fusions.
So it would not be out of line for either fusion character to show up.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Wow, does it really matter if Toriyama allows Toyotaro to use Gogeta blue or Vegetto red?

No, not particularly. It's astounding that so many (included myself) are capable of being bored enough to discuss it.

...it would not be out of line for either fusion character to show up.

Theoretically, yes, it's possible for either to happen. However, given that Vegeta hasn't learned the dance, Toriyama used the Potara is the manga, the anime used Vegetto for this arc, and Gogeta has never shown up in Toriyama material despite the fact that he'd be the simplest option, it's not likely that Gogeta will show up. (Agh! I'm doing it again!)

[Miracles]

Wow, does it really matter if Toriyama allows Toyotaro to use Gogeta blue or Vegetto red?

No, not particularly. It's astounding that so many (included myself) are capable of being bored enough to discuss it.

...it would not be out of line for either fusion character to show up.

Theoretically, yes, it's possible for either to happen. However, given that Vegeta hasn't learned the dance, Toriyama used the Potara is the manga, the anime used Vegetto for this arc, and Gogeta has never shown up in Toriyama material despite the fact that he'd be the simplest option, it's not likely that Gogeta will show up. (Agh! I'm doing it again!)

lol, Yeah, I know; it's OK. You guys go on ahead and discuss.
But hey, here's to hoping a good chapter comes!!