"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

Goku crapping on Gohan was also ooc.

Wait, was that moment a Manga-only thing?

[The gr]

Yes, Piccolo, for convenience's sake, not Piccolo Daimao. Him referring to himself as Piccolo Daimao, the "great demon king", is completely out of character at this point.

I took it the same as how Vegeta still refers to himself as the prince of Saiyans when going into a battle. It's a title used to inimidate like a battle cry. They use generic titles a lot in Dragonball everytime they go into battle that halff the time don't actually mean anything. For some reason it's just their thing..

It makes sense for Vegeta, because he never really let go of his past. Piccolo did, a long time ago.

When did piccolo doubt his daimao heritage

Goku crapping on Gohan was also ooc.

are you sure about that, that was Ms edgy translation, you know the one with gangsta Zeno

After reading Toyotaro's AF fan fic manga, Super being monthly really, really, really effects the story. Toyble's story telling actually really decent, especially his humor.

his humor at times is good and annoying, like is funny what Vegeta said in chapter 18 about zamas switching body with goku instead of him, but annoying with Goku not kissing chi chi

[mfwlegend3]

his humor at times is good and annoying, like is funny what Vegeta said in chapter 18 about zamas switching body, but annoying with Goku not kissing chi chi

His humor in the Super manga doesn't COMPARE to what he can really dish out. He's restricted in the manga.

Also, the Goku not kissing Chichi bit was from Toriyama. I thought this was already discussed? It's in both versions, meaning it was most likely in the outline.

[The gr]

his humor at times is good and annoying, like is funny what Vegeta said in chapter 18 about zamas switching body, but annoying with Goku not kissing chi chi

His humor in the Super manga doesn't COMPARE to what he can really dish out. He's restricted in the manga.

Also, the Goku not kissing Chichi bit was from Toriyama. I thought this was already discussed? It's in both versions, meaning it was most likely in the outline.

I know that bit is from toriyama, but the way he portrayed that scene was annoying, but who knows, toriyama is behind all the gags in the DBS Manga so it wouldn't be a suprise if toriyama handled the switching body gag, Goku admitting that he Never kiss Chichi and go kart

[mfwlegend3]

I know that bit is from toriyama, but the way he portrayed that scene was annoying

How was it portrayed any differently than how it was in the anime?
Goku: Wow, he's putting his mouth against hers!
Vegeta: You've never kissed?
Goku: Of course I haven't!
Vegeta: But you're married.
Goku: So?
Vegeta: Never mind.
Move forward.

[Beyond]

Goku crapping on Gohan was also ooc.

Wait, was that moment a Manga-only thing?

I'm pretty sure the part where he is annoyed a little is manga only. He doesn't crap on him in the VIZ one though, so it was just a bad translation.

[The gr]

I know that bit is from toriyama, but the way he portrayed that scene was annoying

How was it portrayed any differently than how it was in the anime?
Goku: Wow, he's putting his mouth against hers!
Vegeta: You've never kissed?
Goku: Of course I haven't!
Vegeta: But you're married.
Goku: So?
Vegeta: Never mind.
Move forward.

wrong,I remember vegeta said this, you never done that

[mfwlegend3]

wrong,I remember vegeta said this, you never done that

How is it wrong..? From just one line?

[OLKv3]

Piccolo calling himself Piccolo Daimao after all these years is pretty out of character (especially considering he introduces himself, right after fusing with Kami, as "neither Kami nor Piccolo"), I'm not sure why nobody calls this out more often.

Right after that, he tells Goku to just call him Piccolo. He tells everyone else to call him PIccolo as well. The speech he gave to Frost was nothing more than a badass boast, don't see how that's out of character.

Yes, Piccolo, for convenience's sake, not Piccolo Daimao. Him referring to himself as Piccolo Daimao, the "great demon king", is completely out of character at this point.

You're really reaching

Goku crapping on Gohan was also ooc.

That was only Mangastream's translation. In Viz, he's just disappointed that Gohan couldn't make it.

his humor at times is good and annoying, like is funny what Vegeta said in chapter 18 about zamas switching body, but annoying with Goku not kissing chi chi

His humor in the Super manga doesn't COMPARE to what he can really dish out. He's restricted in the manga.

Also, the Goku not kissing Chichi bit was from Toriyama. I thought this was already discussed? It's in both versions, meaning it was most likely in the outline.

That's because in the DBS manga, he's making everyone exposition machines to deliver the plot, which is a big flaw this arc. It wasn't bad in the U6 arc because you had Whis and Beerus doing it, but it really sticks out in the Black arc, where Black just regularly drops long exposition mid battle, then Bulma, then Goku does it, and it just feels unnatural. I wish he found a way for it to feel natural

[Doctor.]

You're really reaching

Yes, I'm reaching, because I'm saying a character that has long left his past behind him now acting like his past is relevant is out of character. Next time, Tenshinhan is going to be praising the Crane hermit and Tao Pai Pai and you're gonna tell me it's in-character as well.

[TheMikado]

You're really reaching

Yes, I'm reaching, because I'm saying a character that has long left his past behind him now acting like his past is relevant is out of character. Next time, Tenshinhan is going to be praising the Crane hermit and Tao Pai Pai and you're gonna tell me it's in-character as well.

If they're walking into a tournament and Tien says "I am the student of the Crane Hermit, I will not fail." Or Yamcha says "I am the desert bandit, I will find a way to win." I don't think most people would find that odd. And definitely not out of character, this feels a lot like the GT Goku speech thing.

[Doctor.]

You're really reaching

Yes, I'm reaching, because I'm saying a character that has long left his past behind him now acting like his past is relevant is out of character. Next time, Tenshinhan is going to be praising the Crane hermit and Tao Pai Pai and you're gonna tell me it's in-character as well.

If they're walking into a tournament and Tien says "I am the student of the Crane Hermit, I will not fail." Or Yamcha says "I am the desert bandit, I will find a way to win." I don't think most people would find that odd. And definitely not out of character, this feels a lot like the GT Goku speech thing.

It's pointless character regression for the sake of crappy fanservice. I don't see why that's hard to grasp. These characters have left their other lives behind them.

[Rhuagh]

I wonder what Toyotaro will do with Frost. In the manga he is not Freeza 2.0, actually put up a good fight against Goku, and didn't go down with one punch against Vegeta. He used poison because there was no point in that tournament, they were just being used as pawns by the gods and there was nothing to gain. Goku mention that if he trains he could become strong like Freeza.

All that considered, I see a lot of potential for him. Cabba and other U6 saiyajins will need a rival. Also, his hypothetical 2nd form looks awesome, I want him to use it in the next arc.

[TheMikado]

Yes, I'm reaching, because I'm saying a character that has long left his past behind him now acting like his past is relevant is out of character. Next time, Tenshinhan is going to be praising the Crane hermit and Tao Pai Pai and you're gonna tell me it's in-character as well.

If they're walking into a tournament and Tien says "I am the student of the Crane Hermit, I will not fail." Or Yamcha says "I am the desert bandit, I will find a way to win." I don't think most people would find that odd. And definitely not out of character, this feels a lot like the GT Goku speech thing.

It's pointless character regression for the sake of crappy fanservice. I don't see why that's hard to grasp. These characters have left their other lives behind them.

I don't think that's how being human works. I'm pretty sure the previous experiences in your life affect who you are and are always a part of you. The same way someone from Alabama may always identify as being from there even 50 years later, or a Japanese person identifies as being Japanese despite living in the US for the past 20 years. This experience doesn't just evaporate and disappear, they are always with you and in a heated moment they may give you solace, or power, or encouragement. In Piccolo or Vegetas case it's a reminder that to the opposition and to themselves that they were once a great and powerful warrior to be feared. I personally like it because it's a tactic many athletes use.

[The gr]

That's because in the DBS manga, he's making everyone exposition machines to deliver the plot, which is a big flaw this arc. It wasn't bad in the U6 arc because you had Whis and Beerus doing it, but it really sticks out in the Black arc, where Black just regularly drops long exposition mid battle, then Bulma, then Goku does it, and it just feels unnatural. I wish he found a way for it to feel natural

he should get rid of that annoying trait, because is destroying the narrative

I wonder what Toyotaro will do with Frost. In the manga he is not Freeza 2.0, actually put up a good fight against Goku, and didn't go down with one punch against Vegeta. He used poison because there was no point in that tournament, they were just being used as pawns by the gods and there was nothing to gain. Goku mention that if he trains he could become strong like Freeza.

All that considered, I see a lot of potential for him. Cabba and other U6 saiyajins will need a rival. Also, his hypothetical 2nd form looks awesome, I want him to use it in the next arc.

by looking his portrayal in this version,he will just be greedy or impatient and he is still a good guy, and his 2nd form will be used because toyotaro love fan service​

[batistabus]

I wonder what Toyotaro will do with Frost. In the manga he is not Freeza 2.0, actually put up a good fight against Goku, and didn't go down with one punch against Vegeta. He used poison because there was no point in that tournament, they were just being used as pawns by the gods and there was nothing to gain. Goku mention that if he trains he could become strong like Freeza.

All that considered, I see a lot of potential for him. Cabba and other U6 saiyajins will need a rival. Also, his hypothetical 2nd form looks awesome, I want him to use it in the next arc.

I totally agree with this. I was rather surprised by how differently he was portrayed in the anime compared to the manga. Toyotaro portrays Frost as sneaky, disingenuous, and maybe a bit of a jerk, but he's not irredeemable like Freeza. When you disregard tone, Frost isn't that much worse than Yamcha was when Goku first met him. There's a chance he could grow into the rival that Goku always wanted out of Freeza. This change could still be made in the anime, but it would feel like much more of a jump.

[sintzu]

I wonder what Toyotaro will do with Frost. In the manga he is not Freeza 2.0.

In the manga we don't know how he is which means the Freeza 2.0 thing was from Toei so if Toriyama decides to write him as a good guy later then it's going to cause a major plot hole for the anime.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I wonder what Toyotaro will do with Frost. In the manga he is not Freeza 2.0, actually put up a good fight against Goku, and didn't go down with one punch against Vegeta. He used poison because there was no point in that tournament, they were just being used as pawns by the gods and there was nothing to gain. Goku mention that if he trains he could become strong like Freeza.

All that considered, I see a lot of potential for him. Cabba and other U6 saiyajins will need a rival. Also, his hypothetical 2nd form looks awesome, I want him to use it in the next arc.

I totally agree with this. I was rather surprised by how differently he was portrayed in the anime compared to the manga. Toyotaro portrays Frost as sneaky, disingenuous, and maybe a bit of a jerk, but he's not irredeemable like Freeza. When you disregard tone, Frost isn't that much worse than Yamcha was when Goku first met him. There's a chance he could grow into the rival that Goku always wanted out of Freeza. This change could still be made in the anime, but it would feel like much more of a jump.

Keep in mind that while he wasn't portrayed as downright evil, Toyotaro's Frost didn't have the heroic backstory either. Goku also said something to the effect of "He's not so different from Freeza". I think we should assume that he is Freeza 2.0 as the default until we see more of him.

[Noah]

I don't understand why the "Gogeta vs Vegetto" discussion has so much traction. They are basically the same. I understand preferring one or the other, still to few differences to really matter, the core is the same.

Not really. Ignoring GT, Gogeta is more serious than Vegetto and actuall get sh** done.

If they're walking into a tournament and Tien says "I am the student of the Crane Hermit, I will not fail." Or Yamcha says "I am the desert bandit, I will find a way to win." I don't think most people would find that odd. And definitely not out of character, this feels a lot like the GT Goku speech thing.

It's pointless character regression for the sake of crappy fanservice. I don't see why that's hard to grasp. These characters have left their other lives behind them.

Yea, I'm with Doctor. on this one. Piccolo referring himself as Daimao after all these years is out of character since after he fused with Kami and became one pure being and I believe affected his personality, it doesn't make sense for him to use this "title" anymore.

In the manga we don't know how he is which means the Freeza 2.0 thing was from Toei so if Toriyama decides to write him as a good guy later then it's going to cause a major plot hole for the anime.

When people are going to realize the anime is not an adaptation of Toyotaro's manga? It's not even the main product

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't understand why the "Gogeta vs Vegetto" discussion has so much traction. They are basically the same. I understand preferring one or the other, still to few differences to really matter, the core is the same.

Not really. Ignoring GT, Gogeta is more serious than Vegetto and actually get sh** done.

Ignoring GT, he shows up for 1 minute in a movie. That's hardly enough to judge his personality. We have no idea what he's like, but since he's still a Goku/Vegeta mix, he's likely the same.