Post ROSAT Base Gotenks stronger than Pre ROSAT SSJ Gotenks?

[Mattias_]

Not at all!!!:

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WARRIOR GOTENKS SSJ PRE ROSAT:

Gotenks ゴテンクス - 7,600,000,000 (Super Saiyan)

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WARRIOR GOTENKS POST ROSAT:

Gotenks ゴテンクス - 160,000,000

[Saturnine]

You're just discounting it because you can't accept that the SSj multiplier could have become lower at such extreme levels of power as Gotenks'. Make SSj just 5x Base, like many people used to for the Buu arc back in the day, and everything works again.

[DBZ Macky]

You're just discounting it because you can't accept that the SSj multiplier could have become lower at such extreme levels of power as Gotenks'. Make SSj just 5x Base, like many people used to for the Buu arc back in the day, and everything works again.

The "decreasing multiplier theory" is just that, a theory. Not to mention that in Super, it was once again confirmed that Super Saiyan increased a Saiyan's power by dozens of times. I'd put way more weight into actual official material rather than some fan-theory, no matter how popular it actually is.

[Tectorman]

Gotenks's improvement in the HTC essentially left me with two choices:

1 He got as strong in Base as he previously was as a SSJ, and figured out those idiotic Hercule-style attacks, and figured out the useful attacks like the Donut and the Ghost Kamikaze, and figured out SSJ2, AND figured out SSJ3, AND all of this inside a week's worth of training (actually, two weeks that got cut to one at the last minute).

2 Stupid attacks, yes; useful attacks, yes; SSJ2 and SSJ3, yes; but Gotenks (and by extension, Goten and Trunks) did not get stronger in Base during that week. Instead, Trunks's estimation of their improvement may be dismissed as youthful bragging, Gotenks is the living embodiment of Buying One's Own Hype, and Piccolo's estimation can actually be chalked up to him perceiving Gotenks's as-yet-unrevealed SSJ3 (and yes, characters perceiving others' unrevealed hidden powers is a thing that has happened in this series before).

Option 2 just struck me as less of a stretch, especially at this point in the series where monumental gains had become the stuff of transformations and techniques rather than wholesale improvements.

[ssbgoku]

I see Post rosat Gotenks only getting 5 times stronger then pre rosat Gotenks in each form. I doubt mutlitplier would be decreased so I am leaning more towards theory of characters holding back for various reasons, here I will try to explain each one:
1) Pre Rosat ss gotenks was stated be stronger then ss3 goku when he was fighting against fat buu, and being honest I didn't see goku as supperior warrior in this battle, so clearly goku was holding back due to some reason like inexperience with that form, or just holding back to save little time but at the same time making sure fat buu doesn't kill him. This gotenks was also holding back either due to lack of experience with fusion to bring out full power or just being overconfident and everyone being in awe of him suprassing goku made him fool in this moment.

2) Super Buu clearly was stronger then fat buu(Although they should be equal as same igredients were put in both of them), however It seems super buu doesn't have restraints on bringing out more power and in short time in compare to fat buu. Due to Super Buu's performance against gotenks it seems clearly that he was also massively holding back against post rosat Base gotenks.

3) Post Rosat Base gotenks was implied to suprass Pre Rosat ss gotenks, at least the power he was letting off which was assumed as full power, that why Piccolo was so optimistic and not sure about pre rosat ss gotenks having chance against super buu, he also most likely was taking in cosideration that gotenks could transform to ss, at least he mentioned it once.

So I see it: fp super buu> ss2 gotenks > post rosat fp ss gotenks >= fp ss3 goku > post rosat expected fp ss gotenks >= pre rosat fp ss gotenks > post rosat fp base gotenks > expected fp super buu > pre rosat expected fp ss gotenks > expected fp ss3 goku ~ fp fat buu > pre rosat base gotenks.

Either that or you prefer to believe that goku got much stronger in short time through buu saga, as he revealed he could beaten up fat buu and while fighting him he clearly wasn't wining or dominating.

[Saturnine]

You're just discounting it because you can't accept that the SSj multiplier could have become lower at such extreme levels of power as Gotenks'. Make SSj just 5x Base, like many people used to for the Buu arc back in the day, and everything works again.

The "decreasing multiplier theory" is just that, a theory. Not to mention that in Super, it was once again confirmed that Super Saiyan increased a Saiyan's power by dozens of times. I'd put way more weight into actual official material rather than some fan-theory, no matter how popular it actually is.

Acutally "hypothesis" would be a better way to put it. When I read "just a theory", my insides boil.

Anyway, this hypothesis is based on some stuff from the manga itself, and the manga takes precedence over supplementary material. The Daizenshuu itself has been wrong on occasions you know.

Basing everything on figures from a fallible supplementary source just because it's branded as "official" is mentally lazy.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

Not at all!!!:

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WARRIOR GOTENKS SSJ PRE ROSAT:

Gotenks ゴテンクス - 7,600,000,000 (Super Saiyan)

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WARRIOR GOTENKS POST ROSAT:

Gotenks ゴテンクス - 160,000,000

Antivenom?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

What is with all the necro post bumps to threads created over a year ago? If you guys want to discuss Gotenks' power, use the thread that was just created (or even more ideally, the power level thread).