"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

18 doesn't really need to get stronger, she will have great chemistry with Krillin and her brother and it will be enough for this tournament.

Vegeta should still be stronger than Goku in SSB unless they forgot he surpassed Goku back in FT arc, when he trained in the RoSaT. Though I don't really expect him to do good in this tournament, considering how he has literally no chemistry with anyone. He might lose early on trying to do all by himself just for someone to throw him out of the ring, in order to show us how teamwork is essential in the tournament. Vegeta also seems to lack experience in ground combat, he most likely learned how to fly since he was very young. Though he should have plenty of experience in handling more enemies at once due to his past as a planet conqueror for Freezer, so I hope it will be somewhat shown and acknowledged.

For one, Vegeta have definitely lost his edge on goku since goku trained with whis when Vegeta was waiting for the baby, even goku warns him saying don't be mad if I end up stronger than you again..
And, he dosen't need experience in ground combat, flying is okay in the ring, not outside of it

I also thought flying was allowed in the ring but after episode 85, in which they used the no flying rule, I believe flying isn't allowed on the ring. Though as it happened on Dragon Ball before everyone learned how to fly, they can still fight for a while mid-air (considering the speed at which they fight) and that's what happens in the opening.

But in episode 85, didn't Krillin fly in the match vs gohan?
And buu and goku are fighting mid air if we go by the preview..

Still, If it's a real can't fly in the ring type deal, that's a really sweet move

[SansrivaaL]

For one, Vegeta have definitely lost his edge on goku since goku trained with whis when Vegeta was waiting for the baby, even goku warns him saying don't be mad if I end up stronger than you again..
And, he dosen't need experience in ground combat, flying is okay in the ring, not outside of it

I also thought flying was allowed in the ring but after episode 85, in which they used the no flying rule, I believe flying isn't allowed on the ring. Though as it happened on Dragon Ball before everyone learned how to fly, they can still fight for a while mid-air (considering the speed at which they fight) and that's what happens in the opening.

But in episode 85, didn't Krillin fly in the match vs gohan?
And buu and goku are fighting mid air if we go by the preview..

Still, If it's a real can't fly in the ring type deal, that's a really sweet move

I think he just jumped, like a really high jump and long stay in mid air

[Pantheon]

For one, Vegeta have definitely lost his edge on goku since goku trained with whis when Vegeta was waiting for the baby, even goku warns him saying don't be mad if I end up stronger than you again..
And, he dosen't need experience in ground combat, flying is okay in the ring, not outside of it

I also thought flying was allowed in the ring but after episode 85, in which they used the no flying rule, I believe flying isn't allowed on the ring. Though as it happened on Dragon Ball before everyone learned how to fly, they can still fight for a while mid-air (considering the speed at which they fight) and that's what happens in the opening.

But in episode 85, didn't Krillin fly in the match vs gohan?
And buu and goku are fighting mid air if we go by the preview..

Still, If it's a real can't fly in the ring type deal, that's a really sweet move

They didn't say they were going to use the tournament of power rule set in the Gohan vs Krillin fight but they did in the Goku vs Krillin fight.
In the Goku vs Krillin fight neither of them flew even when it would have been advantageous. Similarly Goku vs Buu probably will not have the rules and just be a friendly spar.
It's just speculation though so we'll see how it goes in the real tournament.

[LightBing]

I wouldn't mind if the tournament doesn't start for another two months, if they deliver episodes like last week. Keep these character focused episodes coming!

[Hellspawn28]

The tournament not starting until May worries me because I feel like this arc will probably end in July. I remember the U6 Tournament started in January and ended in June. I do worry that all of the fight scenes will be rush.

[Neon Z]

The tournament not starting until May worries me because I feel like this arc will probably end in July. I remember the U6 Tournament started in January and ended in June. I do worry that all of the fight scenes will be rush.

The new opening focuses just on the tournament. I think it's clear this arc will be the longest one yet, otherwise they wouldn't have done that, and it'd have more generic scenes like previous openings.

[Ki Breaker]

This worries me as well, after all the buildup we are getting it's important they deliver a long tournament..

[Araki]

The tournament not starting until May worries me because I feel like this arc will probably end in July. I remember the U6 Tournament started in January and ended in June. I do worry that all of the fight scenes will be rush.

That doesn't make sense, none of Super's arcs have been following set dates compared to each other. If they didn't want this arc to be very long then we wouldn't get 13+ episodes of buildup before the tournament.

And you're wrong actually, the U6 arc ended earlier. June was when FT arc started, after the "fillers". With the new titles, just this buildup will be about as long as U6 was already.

[Chuquita]

The long build-up really does explain why we have an arc-exclusive opening for it (of course we get one for my least-liked arc; my loss). I dunno, I'm starting to think that if Toriyama contributed anything to this arc it was the bare bones of "this person fights this person, this person wins" along with how the tournament itself ends and functions and Toei's doing all this build-up because if they don't stall they won't have enough time to animate the fights properly. I can't imagine the tournament itself lasting that long because of that.

[Ki Breaker]

The long build-up really does explain why we have an arc-exclusive opening for it (of course we get one for my least-liked arc; my loss). I dunno, I'm starting to think that if Toriyama contributed anything to this arc it was the bare bones of "this person fights this person, this person wins" along with how the tournament itself ends and functions and Toei's doing all this build-up because if they don't stall they won't have enough time to animate the fights properly. I can't imagine the tournament itself lasting that long because of that.

There's two reasons for me to believe this isn't true..
First, the buildup is really going great and if toie alone was thinking all of it, we would have a basket of mistakes on our hands
Two, it throws away all the cool possibilities like Dragonball tends to do and go the odd route, only to prove that was a good decision indeed

[Chuquita]

The long build-up really does explain why we have an arc-exclusive opening for it (of course we get one for my least-liked arc; my loss). I dunno, I'm starting to think that if Toriyama contributed anything to this arc it was the bare bones of "this person fights this person, this person wins" along with how the tournament itself ends and functions and Toei's doing all this build-up because if they don't stall they won't have enough time to animate the fights properly. I can't imagine the tournament itself lasting that long because of that.

There's two reasons for me to believe this isn't true..
First, the buildup is really going great and if toie alone was thinking all of it, we would have a basket of mistakes on our hands
Two, it throws away all the cool possibilities like Dragonball tends to do and go the odd route, only to prove that was a good decision indeed

It is entirely possible my cynicism regarding this arc is clouding my judgement of it. I would be relieved if they would publish a blurb from Toriyama about this arc like they did the previous arcs, but the fact that there hasn't been any yet worries me. (Maybe they're saving info from him for when the main tournament actually starts?)

[Kagari]

I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama did take a backseat for this arc, only having shown to have submitted a few designs so far. A lot of what we've seen so far in this arc feels more like responses to fan complaints too, and I can only imagine Toei stepping up to address something like that. Not Toriyama.

[ArchedThunder]

I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama did take a backseat for this arc, only having shown to have submitted a few designs so far. A lot of what we've seen so far in this arc feels more like responses to fan complaints too, and I can only imagine Toei stepping up to address something like that. Not Toriyama.

I'm guessing similar to how the Future Trunks arc was based on a suggestion from Toei this arc was based on a suggestion from them as well.
Here's how I see it;
Toei tells Toriyama some of the stuff fans want, Toriyama comes back with a basic outline about the premise and some details about characters and then Toei fleshes it out massively.
So for instance maybe he says something like "Gohan gets strong again" then Toei works that into the narrative they already started for Gohan, and then with 17 he probably just gave them the info about him being a ranger and then Toei built a story about Goku and him fighting poachers.
Tenshinhan having a dojo also feels like something that came from Toriyama.

[Ki Breaker]

I would be relieved if they would publish a blurb from Toriyama about this arc like they did the previous arcs, but the fact that there hasn't been any yet worries me. (Maybe they're saving info from him for when the main tournament actually starts?)

I really don't have an answer to this, the fact we haven't had any thing from toriyama at all worries me as well..

His health wasn't really great, combined with his cigarette habit at this age makes me think he still isn't in the best of shape and dosen't want to do interviews right now..
Either that or we will get the interview before the tournament actually begins, giving us lots of yet to come information to discuss and speculate, boosting interestes even more for this arc

[DBSQA]

For one, Vegeta have definitely lost his edge on goku since goku trained with whis when Vegeta was waiting for the baby, even goku warns him saying don't be mad if I end up stronger than you again..
And, he dosen't need experience in ground combat, flying is okay in the ring, not outside of it

I also thought flying was allowed in the ring but after episode 85, in which they used the no flying rule, I believe flying isn't allowed on the ring. Though as it happened on Dragon Ball before everyone learned how to fly, they can still fight for a while mid-air (considering the speed at which they fight) and that's what happens in the opening.

But in episode 85, didn't Krillin fly in the match vs gohan?
And buu and goku are fighting mid air if we go by the preview..

Still, If it's a real can't fly in the ring type deal, that's a really sweet move

What are you talking about? Episode 85 has not even aired yet. Are you talking about episode 84?

[The gr]

I would be relieved if they would publish a blurb from Toriyama about this arc like they did the previous arcs, but the fact that there hasn't been any yet worries me. (Maybe they're saving info from him for when the main tournament actually starts?)

I really don't have an answer to this, the fact we haven't had any thing from toriyama at all worries me as well..

His health wasn't really great, combined with his cigarette habit at this age makes me think he still isn't in the best of shape and dosen't want to do interviews right now..
Either that or we will get the interview before the tournament actually begins, giving us lots of yet to come information to discuss and speculate, boosting interestes even more for this arc

That wouldn't make any sense,if toyotaro is writings the USA arc, then is likely that toriyama is still passing his outline to Toyotaro and toei, and toriyama is designing new character, but it would be nice if have an answer for that, maybe in DBS vol 3 or 4 will answer toriyama involvement, since every DBS volumes have an interview,I expected one interview in may, since Toyble is going to a comic Con in Naples

[Ki Breaker]

What are you talking about? Episode 85 has not even aired yet. Are you talking about episode 84?

Oh sorry, that was a typo, I meant to write episode 105 ^_^

[DBSQA]

Guys this interview about 17 is really great ! i'm so happy that Toriyama agrees with me on the fact that he has a big potencial ! i've always said that ever since he disappeared after cell saga.

The wouldn't accept it if it wasn't Goku is pretty weird imo. I mean you'd think Piccolo would have more influence on him considering they actually have a history. Or even Gohan because he killed the dude who absorbed him and 18. I'll wait for the episode and see if Gokus identity influences him and it makes sense though.

So is Toriyama saying that 18 would not have been able to persuade 17 to join the tournament? I'm pretty sure a family member would persuade someone more than a stranger.

[Lapislettuce]

Guys this interview about 17 is really great ! i'm so happy that Toriyama agrees with me on the fact that he has a big potencial ! i've always said that ever since he disappeared after cell saga.

The wouldn't accept it if it wasn't Goku is pretty weird imo. I mean you'd think Piccolo would have more influence on him considering they actually have a history. Or even Gohan because he killed the dude who absorbed him and 18. I'll wait for the episode and see if Gokus identity influences him and it makes sense though.

So is Toriyama saying that 18 would not have been able to persuade 17 to join the tournament? I'm pretty sure a family member would persuade someone more than a stranger.

It's not Toriyama who is talking though !

[DBSQA]

The wouldn't accept it if it wasn't Goku is pretty weird imo. I mean you'd think Piccolo would have more influence on him considering they actually have a history. Or even Gohan because he killed the dude who absorbed him and 18. I'll wait for the episode and see if Gokus identity influences him and it makes sense though.

So is Toriyama saying that 18 would not have been able to persuade 17 to join the tournament? I'm pretty sure a family member would persuade someone more than a stranger.

It's not Toriyama who is talking though !

Ok then. So I guess I shouldn't consider whoever is talking's words canon.