Unpopular DB opinions

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The problem is pandering. What Toei is doing is pandering to dubbies bluntly speaking. The fans of dubs hate the original anyways, so why should they get it their way?

Besides, when people like me pay attention to the audio and what's being said like attack names, character names et cetera and subtitles use stupid dub terminology, it takes me out of the moment. It's distracting.

Now, don't get me wrong. It gets the point across and is quite faithfully translated and most importantly you can support the show you like legally. It's not a deal breaker by any means, but it sure as hell is another case of pandering to a certain crowd which doesn't sit right with me.

[Kanassa]

The fans of dubs hate the original anyways, so why should they get it their way?

Wait, what?

[Cure Dragon 255]

I think its pretty sound logic, if the dub fans get the dub the way they want it why shouldnt sub fans do the same? I mean the dub doesnt go out of its way to please sub fans, why should the subs ALSO go for the dub fans?

Also, keep in mind I'm not one of those who lost their head over Bulla in the Simulcast. Because Steve Simmons, bless his soul, corrects such stuff for the DVD's. I know I made an infamous post where I complained left and right, but he does right by the sub fans.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

While on the topic of dubs, I genuinely feel the Super dub will surpass the original in overall quality (individual performances like Black will most likely still be better)
it already has in the BoG arc and if it keeps it up I do think it will. The dub just has so many advantages going for it which is why I am kind of on the fence about this whole simuldub talk that's been going around.

[DBZ Macky]

While on the topic of dubs, I genuinely feel the Super dub will surpass the original in overall quality (individual performances like Black will most likely still be better)
it already has in the BoG arc and if it keeps it up I do think it will. The dub just has so many advantages going for it which is why I am kind of on the fence about this whole simuldub talk that's been going around.

I'm quite enjoying the dub but not once did I feel that the dub "surpassed" the original in any manner. What makes you think it did, except for Kaio's Seiyuu being sick and FUNImation using the Blu-rays with the better "animation"?

[8000 Saiyan]

I prefer Goku vs Cell over Gohan vs Cell.

[ABED]

I prefer Goku vs Cell over Gohan vs Cell.

Is that actually unpopular.

[8000 Saiyan]

I prefer Goku vs Cell over Gohan vs Cell.

Is that actually unpopular.

I think it is. Most people always talk about the latter fight than the former.

[ABED]

I prefer Goku vs Cell over Gohan vs Cell.

Is that actually unpopular.

I think it is. Most people always talk about the latter fight than the former.

It's the final fight, so of course it's more talked about.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

While on the topic of dubs, I genuinely feel the Super dub will surpass the original in overall quality (individual performances like Black will most likely still be better)
it already has in the BoG arc and if it keeps it up I do think it will. The dub just has so many advantages going for it which is why I am kind of on the fence about this whole simuldub talk that's been going around.

I'm quite enjoying the dub but not once did I feel that the dub "surpassed" the original in any manner. What makes you think it did, except for Kaio's Seiyuu being sick and FUNImation using the Blu-rays with the better "animation"?

The dub has the advantage of looking at the arc on a whole, and so they have noticed that the first half of BoG arc up until Goku SSG vs Beerus, lacks I guess charm is an appropriate term, on screen nothing interesting is happening during most of that half and some of the Japanese dialogue is also quite boring too, like Vegeta giving a typical reaction to something but the dub script adjusted a few minor lines and it really works, like instead of Vegeta giving a generic response they added a bit of a playful joke instead that conveyed the same thing, Vegeta being a jerk to Bulma.
Also acting wise I think it has too, Schemmel and Douglas have been immense and overall I have been enjoying their performance better than Yamadera and Nozawa in the BoG arc, and plus dub actors are able to draw from JPN performances so they're using what's already their as a basis already, like I said the dub just has numerous advantages.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

While on the topic of dubs, I genuinely feel the Super dub will surpass the original in overall quality (individual performances like Black will most likely still be better)
it already has in the BoG arc and if it keeps it up I do think it will. The dub just has so many advantages going for it which is why I am kind of on the fence about this whole simuldub talk that's been going around.

I'm waiting until the retellings are over to binge the dub, but from what I've heard so far, it doesn't flow very well. That said, it's not impossible. Most foreign dubs of the BoG movie did surpass the Japanese due to Nozawa's unusually flat performance. We'll see, but I'm not counting on it.

[Dbzfan94]

The problem is pandering. What Toei is doing is pandering to dubbies bluntly speaking. The fans of dubs hate the original anyways, so why should they get it their way?

What does Toei have to do with it??

And there are plenty of sub fans who hate the current dubs too. No matter what FUNi does right nowadays you still have people being pissy over every little thing.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

While on the topic of dubs, I genuinely feel the Super dub will surpass the original in overall quality (individual performances like Black will most likely still be better)
it already has in the BoG arc and if it keeps it up I do think it will. The dub just has so many advantages going for it which is why I am kind of on the fence about this whole simuldub talk that's been going around.

I'm waiting until the retellings are over to binge the dub, but from what I've heard so far, it doesn't flow very well. That said, it's not impossible. Most foreign dubs of the BoG movie did surpass the Japanese due to Nozawa's unusually flat performance. We'll see, but I'm not counting on it.

Once you get to the main crux of the arc 5 onwards the flow is fine, think it was about finding their rhythm again and once the Goku gets SSG him and Douglas have so much rhythm going on. Vegeta hasn't done much this arc has been silent since #09 so I am curious to see how Sabat handles the more meat post this arc in the Freeza arc build up.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

While on the topic of dubs, I genuinely feel the Super dub will surpass the original in overall quality (individual performances like Black will most likely still be better)
it already has in the BoG arc and if it keeps it up I do think it will. The dub just has so many advantages going for it which is why I am kind of on the fence about this whole simuldub talk that's been going around.

I'm waiting until the retellings are over to binge the dub, but from what I've heard so far, it doesn't flow very well. That said, it's not impossible. Most foreign dubs of the BoG movie did surpass the Japanese due to Nozawa's unusually flat performance. We'll see, but I'm not counting on it.

Once you get to the main crux of the arc 5 onwards the flow is fine, think it was about finding their rhythm again and once the Goku gets SSG him and Douglas have so much rhythm going on. Vegeta hasn't done much this arc has been silent since #09 so I am curious to see how Sabat handles the more meat post this arc in the Freeza arc build up.

Sabat's inflections tend to mimic Horikawa's nowadays. Unless he's deathly ill or Sabat thinks of a new take on the scene, we pretty much know what to expect from Vegeta.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

What does Toei have to do with it??

And there are plenty of sub fans who hate the current dubs too. No matter what FUNi does right nowadays you still have people being pissy over every little thing.

The subs on CR/Daisuki is provided by Toei according to my knowledge. I don't really care what FUNi does with its dubs and it has nothing to do with my point anyways.

[Dbzfan94]

What does Toei have to do with it??

And there are plenty of sub fans who hate the current dubs too. No matter what FUNi does right nowadays you still have people being pissy over every little thing.

The subs on CR/Daisuki is provided by Toei according to my knowledge.

Oh, really? I didn't know that at all. That's strange then.

[Gaffer Tape]

This might seem weird from a hardcore fan of the original version of Dragon Ball and pretty much a hater of the dub, but I don't have any problem with the Crunchyroll/Daisuki subs of Super using dub names. Sure, it sucks Funi changed them, but with the bulk of english speaking fans (especially native English speakers) being more familiar with the terms and names used in the dub, it's only fair to them to understand the series by the version they prefer/know.

I don't think it's "only fair" at all. We already had to put up with them butchering the names in the first place, back when the dub was the only game in town. If they want to watch the subtitled version, that's fine, but it's not fine or fair to sacrifice accuracy just so they feel more comfortable. If they can't deal with that, it's on them. At the risk of sounding territorially, the subtitled version is the only place Japanese fans can go and have our version of the show accurately presented to us. It's our place. Having even the subtitles infiltrated with inaccurate dub terms is a slap in the face and a reminder that we don't matter. Also, if they can't deal with it, they can watch the dub. But I still find it absolutely infuriating that the subtitle stream is polluted with that crap. It has absolutely no business being there and brings the quality of the entire thing into question.

[Kunzait_83]

I'm with Gaffer 100% here. I don't even watch or follow Super really, but on principal alone the subs for the Japanese version should reflect the original naming conventions. Both for accuracy's sake and also, as Gaffer mentioned, its unfair to fans of the Japanese version to have invasive shards of a foreign, heavily altered version be forced upon them. The logic that its somehow only fair to dub fans is incredibly twisted: this ISN'T the dub, and dub fans shouldn't get some kind of weird "preferential treatment" as if their understanding of their version matters more than anything else. The needs and whims of dub fandom doesn't somehow supersede that of fans of the original.

And frankly, its just downright laughably absurd and idiotic to me that its 2017, a shade over 20 years from the dub's debut, and we're STILL dealing with names like Destructo Disc and Special Beam Cannon and whatnot being prevalent. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Kai dub even fix a lot of the altered names (not all, but a fair few) back to their original? Alongside that FUNi has, painfully, agonizingly slowly over the years phased out a lot of the dub's most glaring differences, from the use of the Faulconer score to some of the more egregiously miscast voices (though nowhere near enough of them).

Between things like all the various uncut releases (that include things like Mr. Satan over Hercule and such) that have been out there since forever ago, not to mention the Kai dub and, you know, the internet and everything, I simply don't see why we still have to do this stupid, stupid dance where we all have to always pretend like its forever 1999 and everyone, version preferences aside, doesn't already well know by now what a Genki Dama or a Kaioshin is. How many people can there possibly be left in fandom still to this day whose sole, entire frame of reference for Dragon Ball is purely and exclusively the old Cartoon Network airings of the original dub from the late 90s/early 2000s?

Why is the informational "canon default setting" for this series in America still not just a foreign dub that began years after the original had ended, but also one that originally aired more than two decades ago, hasn't seen the light of day on TV in ages (to the best of my knowledge at least), and has long since been supplanted and overwritten by "improved" (to varying degrees) redubs since at least a decade back?

Its just beyond senseless and dumb.

[Noah]

Talking about dubs and subtitles: I don't like much how they use "Solar Flare" and "Galick Gun" in their subtitles, I would prefer the original names, but whatever.

[Cipher]

I know a lot of people view Goku's expanded quest to obtain the Super God Water in the anime as a positive change, but I'm not sure I agree. While that plot point isn't handled very gracefully in the manga, I'm not sure the anime's version--suddenly changing from Dragon Ball to an entirely different show, one structured around episodic adventures and generic hero's-journey obstacles--is any more graceful. It simply feels too disconnected from Toriyama's usual writing, to the extent that I'd guess even someone unfamiliar with the series' origins would sense the hand of a different author in those episodes. The idea of having Goku do something is a good one, but not necessarily that something.

On the other hand, Tenshinhan catching Drum with his Mafuba is a successful and well-integrated change.