Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ZombieVito]

Perhaps Goku did get 10 times stronger during and after the Future Trunks arc. That's the only way I can make sense of his normal base be that close to Boo.

[HeroR]

Base Goku got his ass kicked by Skinny Boo and Goku didn't transform at all...

Can we accept the two base theory now?

Also, SSB trading blows with 17 is gonna make the internet explode, I can already tell Personally, I don't mind it, if they give a proper explanation. I just know they won't. Via normal training methods, I could have seen him getting up to SS2 and that was already a push, but SSB is unrealistic.

Buu didn't even hurt Goku and going by the two base theory, Goku's base form is only as strong as it was during Battle of Gods. Which means weaker than final form Freeza.

When Goku first started fighting Buu and they were perfectly even then stopped fighting briefly, that was when Goku said Buu had got a lot faster.

So really Fat Buu should at least be slower (and usually less powerful) than Base Goku.

Skinny Buu > Goku > Fat Buu

Is what I'd go with right now. Bergamo would be maybe a little above Fat Buu and so above the Drugged Basil which to me would make sense too.

How as Skinny Buu > Goku. Buu's attacks literally did nothing to Goku? He got hit by several energy attacks and got up like nothing happened. And Goku was easily deflecting Buu's attacks until Buu moved in. And by that logic, Krillin is also as strong as Buu since he actually got Goku to transform.

[SansrivaaL]

I feel like Goku's doing this all on purpose, in universe I'll just see it as Goku wants to put everyone in good gears and boost up their confidence, I feel like he lost to Boo on purpose, he coulda went SSJ to get out of Boo's hold, but didnt even bother and just went with it, think about Goku winning against Boo, that woulda pissed Boo. The same reason why he went SSJ and SSJB against Krillin, to boost up his confidence that he can stand up to SSJB so Goku let his wave pull back for Krillin. At least as my head canon this works, he could be doing the same thing against 17 NEP, we see SSJB Goku's face really pulling an effort with that punch, while 17's face literally says "I am not amused"

[pacz360]

Base Goku got his ass kicked by Skinny Boo and Goku didn't transform at all...

Can we accept the two base theory now?

Also, SSB trading blows with 17 is gonna make the internet explode, I can already tell Personally, I don't mind it, if they give a proper explanation. I just know they won't. Via normal training methods, I could have seen him getting up to SS2 and that was already a push, but SSB is unrealistic.

Buu didn't even hurt Goku and going by the two base theory, Goku's base form is only as strong as it was during Battle of Gods. Which means weaker than final form Freeza.

When Goku first started fighting Buu and they were perfectly even then stopped fighting briefly, that was when Goku said Buu had got a lot faster.

So really Fat Buu should at least be slower (and usually less powerful) than Base Goku.

Skinny Buu > Goku > Fat Buu

Is what I'd go with right now. Bergamo would be maybe a little above Fat Buu and so above the Drugged Basil which to me would make sense too.

How as Skinny Buu > Goku. Buu's attacks literally did nothing to Goku? He got hit by several energy attacks and got up like nothing happened. And Goku was easily deflecting Buu's attacks until Buu moved in. And by that logic, Krillin is also as strong as Buu since he actually got Goku to transform.

So how strong do you have slim buu?

[pacz360]

Perhaps Goku did get 10 times stronger during and after the Future Trunks arc. That's the only way I can make sense of his normal base be that close to Boo.

Theres no normal base otherwise it would've been mention current base goku is that strong now compared to before.

[SansrivaaL]

Perhaps Goku did get 10 times stronger during and after the Future Trunks arc. That's the only way I can make sense of his normal base be that close to Boo.

Base got 10x stronger and was still forced to go SSJ to stop Krillin's ki wave when his base shoulda been more than enough to put up a force/kiai that can cancel it out.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

People really need to stop with this 2 base theory nonsense. The insane reaching that comes with every episode supposedly "proving" it's existence is absolutely laughable.

Base Goku>SSJ3 Gotenks. Skinny Boo is somewhere around Goku. He doesn't need to be as strong as Goku due to ringing him out otherwise Krillin is as strong as Ultimate Gohan. He could be stronger than Base Goku though since if anyone had the upper hand, it was Boo.

We have something like Skinny Boo>Bergamo>=Base Goku=>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks. As far as Android 17 is concerned, I doubt that he's as strong as SSB Goku, though it really doesn't matter if he is. Promotional material seems to hype him up by putting him alongside SSB Goku and Vegeta.

[Animelover5487]

Hmm, so this episode confirms that Base Saiyans were indeed stronger than Boo at the exhibtion match as I predicted.

My chain:

Current Boo > Base Goku = Bergamo > Base Gohan > Lavender > Boo (Zen Exhibition) > Basil (Drugged)

[pacz360]

Perhaps Goku did get 10 times stronger during and after the Future Trunks arc. That's the only way I can make sense of his normal base be that close to Boo.

Base got 10x stronger and was still forced to go SSJ to stop Krillin's ki wave when his base shoulda been more than enough to put up a force/kiai that can cancel it out.

Base goku wasn't even hurt from krillin's attack at all while goku felt some pain from slim buu

[pacz360]

Hmm, so this episode confirms that Base Saiyans were indeed stronger than Boo at the exhibtion match as I predicted.

My chain:

Current Boo > Base Goku = Bergamo > Base Gohan > Lavender > Boo (Zen Exhibition) > Basil (Drugged)

People really need to stop with this 2 base theory nonsense. The insane reaching that comes with every episode supposedly "proving" it's existence is absolutely laughable.

Base Goku>SSJ3 Gotenks. Skinny Boo is somewhere around Goku. He doesn't need to be as strong as Goku due to ringing him out otherwise Krillin is as strong as Ultimate Gohan. He could be stronger than Base Goku though since if anyone had the upper hand, it was Boo.

We have something like Skinny Boo>Bergamo>=Base Goku=>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks. As far as Android 17 is concerned, I doubt that he's as strong as SSB Goku, though it really doesn't matter if he is. Promotional material seems to hype him up by putting him alongside SSB Goku and Vegeta.

all good here.

[SansrivaaL]

Perhaps Goku did get 10 times stronger during and after the Future Trunks arc. That's the only way I can make sense of his normal base be that close to Boo.

Base got 10x stronger and was still forced to go SSJ to stop Krillin's ki wave when his base shoulda been more than enough to put up a force/kiai that can cancel it out.

Base goku wasn't even hurt from krillin's attack at all while goku felt some pain from slim buu

Why would he be hurt? he went SSJ to stop the ki wave.

[Yomi]

To be fair, we have no idea how much gains Androids make when they train. All we know is that they can get stronger through conventional training methods. For all we know, Android 17 and 18 could make/could have made Golden Freeza level gains. It's possible. The concept of an Android training has never been explored before. So it's not like it's breaking any established lore or "head-canon". They can literally do whatever the hell they want at this stage with the battle power of Android 17 and Android 18 .

That's what I'm saying man, there is no established lore on how strong these androids can get through training. It's free rein, and if that means it took him a decade to make Frieza level gains, then so be it.

[Rhuagh]

Anime power scale is nonsense, "whatever looks fun on screen". You can try come up with an explanation, but there will always be glaring issues with it. If you have fun analyzing it though, I guess there's no reason to stop.

I just don't bother.

[Animelover5487]

To be fair, we have no idea how much gains Androids make when they train. All we know is that they can get stronger through conventional training methods. For all we know, Android 17 and 18 could make/could have made Golden Freeza level gains. It's possible. The concept of an Android training has never been explored before. So it's not like it's breaking any established lore or "head-canon". They can literally do whatever the hell they want at this stage with the battle power of Android 17 and Android 18 .

That's what I'm saying man, there is no established lore on how strong these androids can get through training. It's free rein, and if that means it took him a decade to make Frieza level gains, then so be it.

It's still ridiculous. They could have Goku go Super Saiyan 2 and it would still show that 17 has gotten much stronger. SSJB is way too much, also in the NEP #17 actually looks BORED fighting Super Saiyan Blue while Goku appears to be struggling implying that 17 is the superior.

[SansrivaaL]

To be fair, we have no idea how much gains Androids make when they train. All we know is that they can get stronger through conventional training methods. For all we know, Android 17 and 18 could make/could have made Golden Freeza level gains. It's possible. The concept of an Android training has never been explored before. So it's not like it's breaking any established lore or "head-canon". They can literally do whatever the hell they want at this stage with the battle power of Android 17 and Android 18 .

That's what I'm saying man, there is no established lore on how strong these androids can get through training. It's free rein, and if that means it took him a decade to make Frieza level gains, then so be it.

It's still ridiculous. They could have Goku go Super Saiyan 2 and it would still show that 17 has gotten much stronger. SSJB is way too much, also in the NEP #17 actually looks BORED fighting Super Saiyan Blue while Goku appears to be struggling implying that 17 is the superior.

Finally someone mentions this as well. 17 was like "this is it? this is the so called power of the Gods?"

[Bullza]

Buu didn't even hurt Goku and going by the two base theory, Goku's base form is only as strong as it was during Battle of Gods. Which means weaker than final form Freeza.

Not quiite. The two base theory was that there was a Base Goku who was as strong as Super Saiyan God having g absorbed it's power and then there was a Base Goku with such power.

He doesn't specifically have to be as strong as he was in the Buu saga. He can be at any level just so long as it isn't God level.

If his Base strength increased in relation to his Blue strength then he shouldn't be at his Buu saga level anyway.

[LowRyder2005]

Hmm, so this episode confirms that Base Saiyans were indeed stronger than Boo at the exhibtion match as I predicted.

In definitive terms and according to the official subs ("You're faster and you've got that power!"), Goku says that Buu's speed has definitely increased but the statement about his sheer strength is pretty ambiguous to say the least.

Hence, I doubt there's really any relevant "confirmation" to speak of. Well, to be honest, your statement above wouldn't actually add up even if this new Buu was now massively stronger as there is no real means to compare the three fighters in the exhibition matches.

[ZombieVito]

Not quiite. The two base theory was that there was a Base Goku who was as strong as Super Saiyan God having g absorbed it's power and then there was a Base Goku with such power.

He doesn't specifically have to be as strong as he was in the Buu saga. He can be at any level just so long as it isn't God level.

If his Base strength increased in relation to his Blue strength then he shouldn't be at his Buu saga level anyway.

And that's the problem I'm trying to figure out. If normal base Goku is around Fat Boo's power then that means current Super Saiyan Blue Goku is at minimum 50 times stronger than Super Saiyan God Goku from the BoG arc.

Maybe when they learned how to suppress/turn off their Saiyan beyond God forms they somehow ended up with stronger bases comparable to Piccolo?

In definitive terms and according to the official subs ("You're faster and you've got that power!"), Goku says that Buu's speed has definitely increased but the statement about his sheer strength is pretty ambiguous to say the least.

Hence, I doubt there's really any relevant "confirmation" to speak of. Well, to be honest, your statement above wouldn't actually add up even if this new Buu was now massively stronger as there is no real means to compare the three fighters in the exhibition matches.

Interesting. Maybe he didn't even get stronger at all.

[Animelover5487]

Hmm, so this episode confirms that Base Saiyans were indeed stronger than Boo at the exhibtion match as I predicted.

In definitive terms and according to the official subs ("You're faster and you've got that power!"), Goku says that Buu's speed has definitely increased but the statement about his sheer strength is pretty ambiguous to say the least.

There's not really any relevant "confirmation" to speak of. Well, the statement above wouldn't actually add up even if this new Buu was now massively stronger since there are no real means to compare the fighters in the exhibition matches.

"You've got that power" seems to be implying he got stronger. There is means to compare the fighters in the exhibition match.

1. We know Goku and Gohan are on par in equal forms due to the sparing match before the arc began

2. Bergamo is stated more than once to be the strongest Trio De Danger Bro

3. Base Goku fights about evenly with Bergamo before he absorbs Goku's power

4. Base Gohan before being poisoned seems to have the advantage on Lavender

5. Boo isn't much stronger than Base Goku in this episode so he couldn't have been stronger during the exhibition match so even with drugs Basil was likely the weakest brother or not much stronger than Lavender

[pacz360]

Base goku and vegeta >ssj3 gotenks
Thats a fact no bs two theory crap
Slim buu could at least give goku trouble given the buu train nontop and i don't see he wouldn't get stronger.
No point using multipliers given super doen't give two shit about that.
Its not hard people your making harder trying to push this retarded two base theory.