Two Broly movies, from FUNi, coming to Blu-Ray.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:57 pm

FUNimation's 4:3 movie discs are the best that is out there right now. As far as I know, they are the only 4:3 presentation available.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:33 pm

Well other countries have the movies in 4:3 too. Mexico to name one.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:56 pm

Are they available for legit sale on DVD? I know where I can get bootlegs, but if you know about some legit shops please let us know.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:27 pm

In terms of legit release, I don't know. But I do remember clearly that the mexican version being 4:3 like Funimation's, but didn't use Funimation's prints.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:30 pm

Well I wouldn't know about that. Did you watch the movies on television while living in Mexico?

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:42 pm

I don't live in Mexico, but my friend had a TV taping of movie 12, then I saw it again on youtube sometime ago, and it was the same one. It would be awesome to own a legit version of those movie in Spanish, but I don't see that happening.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:58 pm

Is it just me, or does it look like FUNimation recropped their widescreen prints to 4:3 in the trailer? I don't have my Broli DVD atm, so I can't check. I took some screencaps of non-zooming shots incase anyone else wants to compare them. I was too lazy to crop out the QuickTime Player though. All of them except the second to last one are from movie 8, and the second to last one is from movie 10.

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Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:12 pm

Joshua wrote:I know the movies are available in their original full screen aspect ratios, but they look like crap. I don't buy things that look like crap.

Your opinion. When comparing to the Dragonbox release, of course they look inferior in color and whatnot. Toei did an all out remastering for their release of the movies, which is derived from the original film prints at their disposal. With what FUNi was given, I personally think it's a very decent and acceptable quality, especially compared to very shoddy fansubs out there. All FUNi can be blamed for with the movies is some possible encoding issues in early releases (such as movie 5, which had 4 audio tracks on a non-dual-layer DVD) or slight color filtering. Heck, even then their releases are second best being legit and don't look at all awful or terrible. They're simply inferior to a product that's already available, that of which you can order at any E-Bay auction available. If it's the optimum quality you want, there's the movies' Dragonbox, because FUNi will never get that quality even with this Blu-Ray release. I've said my peace on this matter, I'm done debating.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:56 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:With what FUNi was given, I personally think it's a very decent and acceptable quality, especially compared to very shoddy fansubs out there. All FUNi can be blamed for with the movies is some possible encoding issues in early releases (such as movie 5, which had 4 audio tracks on a non-dual-layer DVD) or slight color filtering.

Eh, a DVD-5 should be able to handle a 48 minute movie with 4 audio tracks (AC3 tracks aren't as big as you'd think). The problem seems to be more that FUNimation doesn't have people actually running the encoding process (multi-pass encoding with someone manually checking for artifacting and the like would be ideal) as much as they have machines on auto-pilot. The same is true of their newer releases.

Thing is, animation is difficult to encode. Anyone who has played with video compression knows this. Motion can go from a completely still pose to a frantic flurry of action at a moment's notice, and bitrates must be allocated properly for such things otherwise you end up with a mess (see: Piccolo vs. Coola's minions for proof on FUNimation's Movie 5 disc, and try not to burn your television with the shade of green that the over-saturation has made Piccolo).

You'd think after 7 years, FUNimation would get this, but I suppose the YouTube generation doesn't really care for quality. The amusing thing is, while your typical DragonBall fan (read: "9 year olds that are born every day") may not be a videophile, the people who would buy more niche titles do tend to go for quality, which may be why one of FUNimation's titles was deemed a failure (I forget which, but they announced it wouldn't be completed at Otakon if I remember correctly). Oh well *shrug*

-Corey

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:01 pm

Taku128 wrote:Is it just me, or does it look like FUNimation recropped their widescreen prints to 4:3 in the trailer? I don't have my Broli DVD atm, so I can't check. I took some screencaps of non-zooming shots incase anyone else wants to compare them. I was too lazy to crop out the QuickTime Player though. All of them except the second to last one are from movie 8, and the second to last one is from movie 10.

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I think you may be right about FUNi re-cropping.

Taken from the FUNi movie releases. Some of the pics I didn't have the patience to look for.

Broli Movie 10:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7001/pdvd004jt6.png

Vegeta Movie 08 smirk:
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Piccolo Movie 08:
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Broli Movie 08 chair:
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Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:08 pm

SatoSky wrote:
Taku128 wrote:Is it just me, or does it look like FUNimation recropped their widescreen prints to 4:3 in the trailer? I don't have my Broli DVD atm, so I can't check. I took some screencaps of non-zooming shots incase anyone else wants to compare them. I was too lazy to crop out the QuickTime Player though. All of them except the second to last one are from movie 8, and the second to last one is from movie 10.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/ ... bluray.png

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I think you may be right about FUNi re-cropping.

Taken from the FUNi movie releases. Some of the pics I didn't have the patience to look for.

Broli Movie 10:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7001/pdvd004jt6.png

Vegeta Movie 08 smirk:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6057/pdvd005ny1.png

Piccolo Movie 08:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7639/pdvd006zb5.png

Broli Movie 08 chair:
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Actually, after looking at the comparison shots, it seems like they stretched it vertically. Jesus, can't they do anything that even looks normal?

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:13 pm

Yep that's what it looks like. The trailer in general is stupid. Why didn't they give us a full 1080p video? Maybe because it looks like crap.

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:21 pm

I don't have an HD player. I don't plan on getting a PS3 or Blu-Ray player anytime soon, so it looks like I'm not going to be experiencing this.

FUNimation never learns. I mean, it would seriously kill them to release a DB related product properly.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:33 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Thing is, animation is difficult to encode. Anyone who has played with video compression knows this. Motion can go from a completely still pose to a frantic flurry of action at a moment's notice, and bitrates must be allocated properly for such things otherwise you end up with a mess (see: Piccolo vs. Coola's minions for proof on FUNimation's Movie 5 disc, and try not to burn your television with the shade of green that the over-saturation has made Piccolo).

-Corey

I actually found it to be pretty consistent with the rest of the film. Now if you want shitty encoding...

Broli's transformation from movie 10:

Damn it! I have too much time on my hands today. Maybe I should get another job?

Joshua · Post by **Joshua** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:37 am

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:Actually, after looking at the comparison shots, it seems like they stretched it vertically. Jesus, can't they do anything that even looks normal?

I think the vertical stretching is just because the trailer is in a stupid resolution/aspect ratio. I'm sure the Blu-ray release will have no stretching, but only cropping.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:41 am

Joshua wrote:I think the vertical stretching is just because the trailer is in a stupid resolution/aspect ratio. I'm sure the Blu-ray release will have no stretching, but only cropping.

Well yeah. Ideally we should have gotten a hi-def trailer, or at least have it be in widescreen.

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:53 am

Joshua wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:The movies are available in a 4:3 releases, standard DVD of course. Except for DB movie 1 (Curse of the Blood Rubies) only being available in 4:3 edited, every movie has been released by FUNi in an uncut 4:3 format. I really don't know what rock you've been laying under to forget this.
I know the movies are available in their original full screen aspect ratios, but they look like crap. I don't buy things that look like crap.

Aren't they about the same quality as the other Dragonball-DVDs that FUNi released? Of course, not counting the season sets, but still... Besides, unless you speak spanish or japanese, there aren't really any alternatives, are there?

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:26 am

The one thing about cropping the films, and yeah, I hate Funi's cropping of the TV show like there is no tomorrow.

The films clearly weren't intended to be seen in 4:3, there are moments when characters are missing limbs starting right where the cutoff from 16:9 to 4:3 goes because they didn't animate it.

You can still argue the right way for them, but outside of bad encoding, DVNR, and.... fuck knows what else, I can't see how this release can be fucked up.

The only 2 things that could honestly ruin it is DVNR, which all the dumbasses actually LIKE, so that screws us all, and the encoding, which...I'm curious to see just due to Funi never having encoded something like this before, there is much more room to deal with, so I'm curious at the least.

b_boult · Post by **b_boult** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:29 pm

godofchaos wrote:The only 2 things that could honestly ruin it is DVNR, which all the dumbasses actually LIKE, so that screws us all

Um, I don't think you're being very fair here, I personally think DVNR's pros outweigh its cons. I can see the argument most of you make in this area though don't get me wrong, the blurring of finer detail is something noone can dispute. However, there are people like myself, who think in-your-face noise in every single frame is the worse scenario, because I personally think it looks horrible.

Edit: http://www.dragonballz.com/index.cfm?pa ... N=23376955

The colours look off. Lol.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:42 pm

Thats some horrible cover art.