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The problem is Goku should be able to one shot Krillin with 1% of his power in base.
And bulma should've been reduced to gore from a slap from beerus.
Beerus held back... If Goku was holding back he shouldn't go ssj. Why go ssj if he could win while holding back in base? This makes no sense, stop trying to twist logic to try and make the show make sense. The episode would of made sense as long as Goku stayed in base.
Goku wanted test krillin that's the damn point your he ain't going to go all out on the fucker and wanted to boost his confidence and see what can krillin could do to ring out guys around goku level especially in blue and again beerus should've reduced bulma to gore considering what he can do with a finger tap.
Don't why people seemed to think goku cant hold back all of sudden.
pacz360 wrote:
And bulma should've been reduced to gore from a slap from beerus.
Beerus held back... If Goku was holding back he shouldn't go ssj. Why go ssj if he could win while holding back in base? This makes no sense, stop trying to twist logic to try and make the show make sense. The episode would of made sense as long as Goku stayed in base.
Goku wanted test krillin that's the damn point your he ain't going to go all out on the fucker and wanted to boost his confidence and see what can krillin could do to ring out guys around goku level especially in blue and again beerus should've reduced bulma to gore considering what he can do with a finger tap.
Don't why people seemed to think goku cant hold back all of sudden.
I feel like you aren't reading or comprehending what I am saying...
I know Goku was holding back. I'm saying why go ssj or SSB if he can win while holding back in base?
dragon boss z wrote:
Beerus held back... If Goku was holding back he shouldn't go ssj. Why go ssj if he could win while holding back in base? This makes no sense, stop trying to twist logic to try and make the show make sense. The episode would of made sense as long as Goku stayed in base.
Goku wanted test krillin that's the damn point your he ain't going to go all out on the fucker and wanted to boost his confidence and see what can krillin could do to ring out guys around goku level especially in blue and again beerus should've reduced bulma to gore considering what he can do with a finger tap.
Don't why people seemed to think goku cant hold back all of sudden.
I feel like you aren't reading or comprehending what I am saying...
I know Goku was holding back. I'm saying why go ssj or SSB if he can win while holding back in base?
He is trying to intimidate Krillin. Remember Krillin can't sense god ki. But turning ssj blue and actually holding off goku. Gives Krillin confindence in himself when he goes against godly level beings. Remember Krillin doesn't need to be stronger then them. Just smarter.
pacz360 wrote:
Goku wanted test krillin that's the damn point your he ain't going to go all out on the fucker and wanted to boost his confidence and see what can krillin could do to ring out guys around goku level especially in blue and again beerus should've reduced bulma to gore considering what he can do with a finger tap.
Don't why people seemed to think goku cant hold back all of sudden.
I feel like you aren't reading or comprehending what I am saying...
I know Goku was holding back. I'm saying why go ssj or SSB if he can win while holding back in base?
He is trying to intimidate Krillin. Remember Krillin can't sense god ki. But turning ssj blue and actually holding off goku. Gives Krillin confindence in himself when he goes against godly level beings. Remember Krillin doesn't need to be stronger then them. Just smarter.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
pacz360 wrote:
Goku wanted test krillin that's the damn point your he ain't going to go all out on the fucker and wanted to boost his confidence and see what can krillin could do to ring out guys around goku level especially in blue and again beerus should've reduced bulma to gore considering what he can do with a finger tap.
Don't why people seemed to think goku cant hold back all of sudden.
I feel like you aren't reading or comprehending what I am saying...
I know Goku was holding back. I'm saying why go ssj or SSB if he can win while holding back in base?
He is trying to intimidate Krillin. Remember Krillin can't sense god ki. But turning ssj blue and actually holding off goku. Gives Krillin confindence in himself when he goes against godly level beings. Remember Krillin doesn't need to be stronger then them. Just smarter.
I know, but he went regular ssj because Krillin was forcing him off the edge with a ki blast.
dragon boss z wrote:
I feel like you aren't reading or comprehending what I am saying...
I know Goku was holding back. I'm saying why go ssj or SSB if he can win while holding back in base?
He is trying to intimidate Krillin. Remember Krillin can't sense god ki. But turning ssj blue and actually holding off goku. Gives Krillin confindence in himself when he goes against godly level beings. Remember Krillin doesn't need to be stronger then them. Just smarter.
And we have a winner thank you.
Still doesn't make sense why he had to goo ssj when Krillin was pressuring him with a ki blast.
Berserker1921 wrote:Toppo, Bergamo, Hit vs Merged Zamasu? (No immortality)
Buu (Black and Golden Frieza) vs Vegito blue? (no time limit)
Hit vs Super 17? (Equal power)
Skinny good Buu (current) vs Super Buu?
Zamasu, he's just too strong for them.
Vegetto kills Boo easily.
I don't really know a thing about GT's powerscale but I don't think 17 can beat Hit's Time-Skip.
Super Boo. I don't think Good Boo got multiple times stronger.
Fights:
Pre 25th TB Videl vs BoDB Goku.
Bora vs 21st TB Goku.
Mutaito vs 22nd TB Goku.
Gryll vs 23rd TB Goku.
Guldo vs Post Kaio Goku. No Kaioken or paralysis.
Shin vs CG SSJ Goku. No paralysis.
ZombieVito wrote:
Pre 25th TB Videl vs BoDB Goku.
Bora vs 21st TB Goku.
Mutaito vs 22nd TB Goku.
Gryll vs 23rd TB Goku.
Guldo vs Post Kaio Goku. No Kaioken or paralysis.
Shin vs CG SSJ Goku. No paralysis.
Goku, pretty skilled and can take bullets head on
Goku, same reason
I will give this to Mutaito, lot of techniques to catch goku off guard
Gryll isn't shown enough to gauge his strength, can't say for sure but it's probably goku, lot more skilled
Goku obviously, way too strong
They fight to death, goku is a lot more skilled but shin has a bigger edge in power
Fight
Zeke Yeager vs Great ape kid Gohan
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Berserker1921 wrote:Toppo, Bergamo, Hit vs Merged Zamasu? (No immortality)
Buu (Black and Golden Frieza) vs Vegito blue? (no time limit)
Hit vs Super 17? (Equal power)
Skinny good Buu (current) vs Super Buu?
Merged Zamasu one shots Bergamo and destroys Hit & Toppo easily.
Vegetto Blue stomps.
Super 17 can't do shit against Hit's time leapse. Hit wins easily.
Goku stated that skinny Buu's speed definetly improved but didn't say the same thing about his power. Super Buu wins with low difficulty.
Buu (hit, Frieza, Black) vs Merged Zamasu? (Buu cannot absorb Zamasu. This battle ends until either of them are defeated. So once either of their bodies are destroyed the battle ends)
Ssj4 Gogeta vs ssj10 Goku (U6 Arc)?
Bergamo vs Buuhan?
Anime battles (equal power levels) current Goku battles shonen villains.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
dragon boss z wrote:
Then why would he go ssj or ssb?
And how do you know gohan or vegeta weren't holding back on goten and trunks? you are being aren't being consistent with your argument.
I am you ignoring the context of the battle goku was clearly holding back on krillin none of krillin's even hurt goku at all he only went ssj due to krillin going for a ring out and only went blue to test his resolve.
But what I'm trying to say that Goku shouldn't have to go ssj to avoid a ring out... Goku's base is supposed to be above ssj3 now, and Krillin is still weaker than first form Frieza on namek, lol.
Exactly. This. I am getting sick and tired of the "Goku was holding back" excuses. A holding back Goku should be able to beat Krillin with ease with just his base form. The fact that Krillin's punches were forcing Goku back doesn't make any sense considering that those very same punches couldn't make Perfect Cell so much as flinch.
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I could somewhat understand if he were facing Piccolo or Gohan and had to go SSJ but Krillin IS fodder. Goku shouldn't need to transform to test Krillin
dragon boss z wrote:
Then why would he go ssj or ssb?
And how do you know gohan or vegeta weren't holding back on goten and trunks? you are being aren't being consistent with your argument.
I am you ignoring the context of the battle goku was clearly holding back on krillin none of krillin's even hurt goku at all he only went ssj due to krillin going for a ring out and only went blue to test his resolve.
But what I'm trying to say that Goku shouldn't have to go ssj to avoid a ring out... Goku's base is supposed to be above ssj3 now, and Krillin is still weaker than first form Frieza on namek, lol.
Exactly. This. I am getting sick and tired of the "Goku was holding back" excuses. A holding back Goku should be able to beat Krillin with ease with just his base form. The fact that Krillin's punches were forcing Goku back doesn't make any sense considering that those very same punches couldn't make Perfect Cell so much as flinch. http://i.imgur.com/ADGAPHg.jpg
I could somewhat understand if he were facing Piccolo or Gohan and had to go SSJ but Krillin IS fodder. Goku shouldn't need to transform to test Krillin
