"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Orb]

To be fair, they made Goku go into base in the super version of Rof.

I agree with the rest. It's been said a few times that Omniking isn't necessarily strong. It seems like he just has an ability to erase whatever he wants. If he's caught off guard, then he can most likely be murdered.

When Goku asks if Future Zen'o is still alive, Kaioshin says Zen'o can't be beaten no matter what.

We need to stop taking whatever the characters say as absolute facts. Of course Kaioshin would think that, because he appears to be that way. I mean he can erase anything out of existence. But if he was really unstoppable, he wouldn't need guards.

You guys are forgetting that there are two Omnikings. While their durability is in question, even if you get a sneak attack on one, you can't get both. Which brings me back to my theory I posted above you guys of the two Omnikings destroying each other because they are equals.

If we're doing crackpot theories I'll throw mine in and what I feel like it could go. I don't believe The Grand Priest is as nefarious as many of you seem to do. My idea goes back to the start of the arc where the two Zenos are playing together and they are at a standstill with 99-99 wins (Showing that they are equals). The Tournament ends and Goku is the victor. He wishes for the Universes to be brought back and perhaps merged together since the problem the Zenos had that there were too many universes to begin with. So the Present Zeno, being Goku's friend understands and lets it happen. But the Future Zeno disagrees because it goes against their judgement and he didn't get what he wanted from this tournament: enjoyment from all the destruction (considering the Zenos had no problem destroying planets for their little game in the beginning). The two Zenos argue and begin to fight and eventually they destroy each other because they are equals (who else better to get rid of Zeno than Zeno himself?).

Because they made a point of the Tournament being taken place in a separate dimension (The Void), their destruction have no effect on the multiverse. The god hierarchy is thrown out of a loop as its leader is no more. The gods, kais and angels are left to figure out how to carry out their order. Perhaps Grand Priest takes over (maybe that was his plan...) or there is a power vacuum, leaving others to fight for the top spot in the next arc.

Oh and Jiren and Goku are totally besties, leaving Vegeta and Hit to make a "Goku's Exes' Club".

[pacz360]

One of the losing gods decide to attack Zeno because he has nothing to losea and zeno dies, every angel goes rogue as zeno was the one maintaining link between them serving the lazy gods, Every god and players fight all the angels.

That's the scenario I hope for

except zeno can literally destroy universes and all the angels are far stronger than everyone else.



I don't think that's going to work.

But is he immune to sneak attacks?

Constantly it's been set, examples like SSB can be taken out by a sneak attack from a mere laser..

Besides, zeno seems like a glass Cannon, no defense only offense, he dosen't have guards for fun

the dude survived his multiversal attack with ease.
and if someone could hurt him offguard one of the gods would've taken that chance long ago.

[pacz360]

To be fair, they made Goku go into base in the super version of Rof.

I agree with the rest. It's been said a few times that Omniking isn't necessarily strong. It seems like he just has an ability to erase whatever he wants. If he's caught off guard, then he can most likely be murdered.

When Goku asks if Future Zen'o is still alive, Kaioshin says Zen'o can't be beaten no matter what.

We need to stop taking whatever the characters say as absolute facts. Of course Kaioshin would think that, because he appears to be that way. I mean he can erase anything out of existence. But if he was really unstoppable, he wouldn't need guards.

if he wasnt then why no one had tried to take him out?
the dude destroyed future trunks multiverse and was just chillin in the void with no scratches on him.

[pacz360]

When Goku asks if Future Zen'o is still alive, Kaioshin says Zen'o can't be beaten no matter what.

We need to stop taking whatever the characters say as absolute facts. Of course Kaioshin would think that, because he appears to be that way. I mean he can erase anything out of existence. But if he was really unstoppable, he wouldn't need guards.

You guys are forgetting that there are two Omnikings. While their durability is in question, even if you get a sneak attack on one, you can't get both. Which brings me back to my theory I posted above you guys of the two Omnikings destroying each other because they are equals.

If we're doing crackpot theories I'll throw mine in and what I feel like it could go. I don't believe The Grand Priest is as nefarious as many of you seem to do. My idea goes back to the start of the arc where the two Zenos are playing together and they are at a standstill with 99-99 wins (Showing that they are equals). The Tournament ends and Goku is the victor. He wishes for the Universes to be brought back and perhaps merged together since the problem the Zenos had that there were too many universes to begin with. So the Present Zeno, being Goku's friend understands and lets it happen. But the Future Zeno disagrees because it goes against their judgement and he didn't get what he wanted from this tournament: enjoyment from all the destruction (considering the Zenos had no problem destroying planets for their little game in the beginning). The two Zenos argue and begin to fight and eventually they destroy each other because they are equals (who else better to get rid of Zeno than Zeno himself?).

Because they made a point of the Tournament being taken place in a separate dimension (The Void), their destruction have no effect on the multiverse. The god hierarchy is thrown out of a loop as its leader is no more. The gods, kais and angels are left to figure out how to carry out their order. Perhaps Grand Priest takes over (maybe that was his plan...) or there is a power vacuum, leaving others to fight for the top spot in the next arc.

Oh and Jiren and Goku are totally besties, leaving Vegeta and Hit to make a "Goku's Exes' Club".

the survived his own attack without a single scratch on him so how is his durability in question

[GodVegetto91]

except zeno can literally destroy universes and all the angels are far stronger than everyone else.



I don't think that's going to work.

But is he immune to sneak attacks?

Constantly it's been set, examples like SSB can be taken out by a sneak attack from a mere laser..

Besides, zeno seems like a glass Cannon, no defense only offense, he dosen't have guards for fun

the dude survived his multiversal attack with ease.
and if someone could hurt him offguard one of the gods would've taken that chance long ago.

This.
Pretty much. Even Kaioshin noted during the Zamasu arc that: "Omni-King can never be defeated, no matter what."

[ChaosLordBrandon]

except zeno can literally destroy universes and all the angels are far stronger than everyone else.



I don't think that's going to work.

But is he immune to sneak attacks?

Constantly it's been set, examples like SSB can be taken out by a sneak attack from a mere laser..

Besides, zeno seems like a glass Cannon, no defense only offense, he dosen't have guards for fun

the dude survived his multiversal attack with ease.
and if someone could hurt him offguard one of the gods would've taken that chance long ago.

This is what I don't understand when people have Zeno being attack or the tournament in there theories.

Zeno tanked HIS OWN timeline buster/ multiversal buster with completely zero damage and infact he unleashed his timeline/ multiversal buster with complete ease and didn't show a modicum of faituge or effort.


What's stopping Zeno erasing any person who interrupts the tournament? And the Grand Priest has the Super Dragon Ball if he wanted to did something with them he would have done it MILLIONS of years before. And it takes a while for the dragon to come out to, so what's stopping the angels just from turning back time, or just one shotting any the hypothetical surprise villain guy as soon as he appears?

[ChaosLordBrandon]

But is he immune to sneak attacks?

Constantly it's been set, examples like SSB can be taken out by a sneak attack from a mere laser..

Besides, zeno seems like a glass Cannon, no defense only offense, he dosen't have guards for fun

the dude survived his multiversal attack with ease.
and if someone could hurt him offguard one of the gods would've taken that chance long ago.

This.
Pretty much. Even Kaioshin noted during the Zamasu arc that: "Omni-King can never be defeated, no matter what."

Agreed with this to.

[kinisking]

Are you guys really assuming that Zeno is stupid enough to make sure he's caught in the damage of his own attack or what ?

[Khin]

But if he was really unstoppable, he wouldn't need guards.

The guards are probably there to keep stupid people (like Goku, for example) from possibly angering Zen’ō, not to protect him because he’s very fragile or something.

Basically, they’re there to prevent the entire universe from getting erased just because some stupid guy pissed of Zen’ō - which given from what we’ve seen so far, seems to be the case.

[ekrolo2]

Are you guys really assuming that Zeno is stupid enough to make sure he's caught in the damage of his own attack or what ?

Zeno doesn't seem bright much at all. It's why I don't buy him even grasping the concept of higher or lower quality universes enough to make plans to destroy them, especially since his basis for the rankings takes into account actual, important things and not stuff someone of a child-like mind of his would emphasize more of.

[pacz360]

Are you guys really assuming that Zeno is stupid enough to make sure he's caught in the damage of his own attack or what ?

The dude was in the epicenter of own attack and the guards are there just to make sure no one stupid enough to attack him which leads everyone getting wiped out.

[kinisking]

Are you guys really assuming that Zeno is stupid enough to make sure he's caught in the damage of his own attack or what ?

The dude was in the epicenter of own attack and the guards are there just to make sure no one stupid enough to attack him which leads everyone getting wiped out.

Just because he's in the center of his own attack doesn't mean he was actually hit by his attack.

Wouldn't the guards have been made by Zeno though?Why would he create them for that purpose ? Doesn't seem like something he'd care about.

[pacz360]

Are you guys really assuming that Zeno is stupid enough to make sure he's caught in the damage of his own attack or what ?

The dude was in the epicenter of own attack and the guards are there just to make sure no one stupid enough to attack him which leads everyone getting wiped out.

Just because he's in the center of his own attack doesn't mean he was actually hit by his attack.

Wouldn't the guards have been made by Zeno though?Why would he create them for that purpose ? Doesn't seem like something he'd care about.

The dude was literally in the center of his own attack while it was going off your not making any sense
The guards are there to make sure no one piss him off or at least have company.

[kinisking]

The dude was literally in the center of his own attack while it was going off your not making any sense
The guards are there to make sure no one piss him off or at least have company.

https://youtu.be/o5QIpF9Xz-U?t=2h35m16s

Vegeta was in the center of this attack. Does it mean the attack hit him? No. Omniking didn't tank a multi-universal attack because they'res no way he'd make his own attack hit himself. That's just stupid. Also, that's saying that the attack was like a ki blast when we don't know that for sure. He seems to be operating on a different set of rules. It could be more of a whatever he wants to get destroyed magically gets destroyed instead of an actual attack. The series actually implies this. Whis says this https://youtu.be/ru0i96QHwJc?t=18s implying that Omniking isn't the dragonball definition of strong. He also says this https://youtu.be/ru0i96QHwJc?t=38s.

[pacz360]

The dude was literally in the center of his own attack while it was going off your not making any sense
The guards are there to make sure no one piss him off or at least have company.

https://youtu.be/o5QIpF9Xz-U?t=2h35m16s

Vegeta was in the center of this attack. Does it mean the attack hit him? No. Omniking didn't tank a multi-universal attack because they'res no way he'd make his own attack hit himself. That's just stupid. Also, that's saying that the attack was like a ki blast when we don't know that for sure. He seems to be operating on a different set of rules. It could be more of a whatever he wants to get destroyed magically gets destroyed instead of an actual attack. The series actually implies this. Whis says this https://youtu.be/ru0i96QHwJc?t=18s implying that Omniking isn't the dragonball definition of strong. He also says this https://youtu.be/ru0i96QHwJc?t=38s.

Considering vegeta still standing yes and that's a crappy example and again Zeno is a child with power of a god so of course he's not fighter like goku and Co.
And again if any of them could take him out they could've done that long ago or even use the super dragon ball to kill him yet they don't.
I mean if the god of the multiverse had shitty durability you wouldnt think they wouldn't try take him out or something?
Point is no one could beat him or kill him no matter what
And again this literally went off in his face and wiped out everthing in the timeline https://youtu.be/5U5AKnvShQES
With only him remaining if durability was shit then he should've been wiped out yet he wasn't and nothing even implies he dodge his own attack.

[kinisking]

The dude was literally in the center of his own attack while it was going off your not making any sense
The guards are there to make sure no one piss him off or at least have company.

https://youtu.be/o5QIpF9Xz-U?t=2h35m16s

Vegeta was in the center of this attack. Does it mean the attack hit him? No. Omniking didn't tank a multi-universal attack because they'res no way he'd make his own attack hit himself. That's just stupid. Also, that's saying that the attack was like a ki blast when we don't know that for sure. He seems to be operating on a different set of rules. It could be more of a whatever he wants to get destroyed magically gets destroyed instead of an actual attack. The series actually implies this. Whis says this https://youtu.be/ru0i96QHwJc?t=18s implying that Omniking isn't the dragonball definition of strong. He also says this https://youtu.be/ru0i96QHwJc?t=38s.

Considering vegeta still standing yes and that's a crappy example and again Zeno is a child with power of a god so of course he's not fighter like goku and Co.
And again if any of them could take him out they could've done that long ago or even use the super dragon ball to kill him yet they don't.
I mean if the god of the multiverse had shitty durability you wouldnt think they wouldn't try take him out or something?
Point is no one could beat him or kill him no matter what
And again this literally went off in his face and wiped out everthing in the timeline https://youtu.be/5U5AKnvShQES
With only him remaining if durability was shit then he should've been wiped out yet he wasn't and nothing even implies he dodge his own attack.

So you're saying Vegeta was hit by his own attack because he was standing? I don't understand the correlation?

How is it a shitty example, he's in the middle of his attack.

Most people didn't even know about the super dragonballs and they couldn't take him out because of his guards. Besides, I doubt anyone could take him out. I do think that his defense is nowhere near his offense though.

Dude was surrounded by his attack just like vegeta was surrounded by his, however doesn't mean they're attacking themselves. I don't get how you think that's not stupid. It's called attacking everything besides for themselves.

[pacz360]

https://youtu.be/o5QIpF9Xz-U?t=2h35m16s

Vegeta was in the center of this attack. Does it mean the attack hit him? No. Omniking didn't tank a multi-universal attack because they'res no way he'd make his own attack hit himself. That's just stupid. Also, that's saying that the attack was like a ki blast when we don't know that for sure. He seems to be operating on a different set of rules. It could be more of a whatever he wants to get destroyed magically gets destroyed instead of an actual attack. The series actually implies this. Whis says this https://youtu.be/ru0i96QHwJc?t=18s implying that Omniking isn't the dragonball definition of strong. He also says this https://youtu.be/ru0i96QHwJc?t=38s.

Considering vegeta still standing yes and that's a crappy example and again Zeno is a child with power of a god so of course he's not fighter like goku and Co.
And again if any of them could take him out they could've done that long ago or even use the super dragon ball to kill him yet they don't.
I mean if the god of the multiverse had shitty durability you wouldnt think they wouldn't try take him out or something?
Point is no one could beat him or kill him no matter what
And again this literally went off in his face and wiped out everthing in the timeline https://youtu.be/5U5AKnvShQES
With only him remaining if durability was shit then he should've been wiped out yet he wasn't and nothing even implies he dodge his own attack.

So you're saying Vegeta was hit by his own attack because he was standing? I don't understand the correlation?

How is it a shitty example, he's in the middle of his attack.

Most people didn't even know about the super dragonballs and they couldn't take him out because of his guards. Besides, I doubt anyone could take him out. I do think that his defense is nowhere near his offense though.

Dude was surrounded by his attack just like vegeta was surrounded by his, however doesn't mean they're attacking themselves. I don't get how you think that's not stupid. It's called attacking everything besides for themselves.

Its a stupid example regardless the omni king had the attack literally set off in his own face wiping out everthing in f.trunks timeline yet he's the only one that survives we seen characters weaker than him tank there own attacks in the series so why can't the guy who's the top god can't? Your not making any damn sense and you have nothing even supporting that at all.
The dude has been stated multiple times that nothing could defeat him.
So if his durabilty weren't near his offence then he shouldn't even be alive from his own attack.
Your logic is flawed thats like saying frieza durabilty is nowhere near his dc despite otherwise.

[kinisking]

My argument includes clips from the show and the belief that Omniking wouldn't hit himself with his own attack.

Your argument is based on him hitting himself with his own attack .

I'm the one making no sense and with no evidence...Okay .

[Noah]

I would have no problem with the tournament starting in July. I actually want to see much more of the other universes and I would love to see them gathering and training.

July? You got to be kidding, that is dragging way too much, also not a good ideia showing more stuff about the other universes and its fighters, I think it will ruin the surprise of their appearances when the tournament finally starts. I think they did it with the Pride Troopers because they will have a big role in this arc, but they don't need to do with every freaking universe IMO

[GodVegetto91]

Are you guys really assuming that Zeno is stupid enough to make sure he's caught in the damage of his own attack or what ?

There's nowhere for him to hide when it comes to universal, perhaps multiversal destruction in all possible directions. He was definitely still there when it happened as evidenced when they got back there to pick him up. He was floathing in a total void/nothingness.
Where could he possibly hide??