"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

Yeah, I always made sense, but goku training uub as someone who will protect when he isn't around wouldn't make much sense right now if uub isn't able to reach his levels as well, which are far above kid buu...

Actually, both the BoG arc and the RoF arc give more reason to train the reincarnation of Kid Buu

[Ki Breaker]

Yeah, I always made sense, but goku training uub as someone who will protect when he isn't around wouldn't make much sense right now if uub isn't able to reach his levels as well, which are far above kid buu...

Actually, both the BoG arc and the RoF arc give more reason to train the reincarnation of Kid Buu

What reason could goku possibly have to train a being who for all he knows would turn just as strong as kid buu?
Nome of them could stand against Berrus or freeza

[Kanassa]

Yeah, I always made sense, but goku training uub as someone who will protect when he isn't around wouldn't make much sense right now if uub isn't able to reach his levels as well, which are far above kid buu...

Actually, both the BoG arc and the RoF arc give more reason to train the reincarnation of Kid Buu

What reason could goku possibly have to train a being who for all he knows would turn just as strong as kid buu?
Nome of them could stand against Berrus or freeza

Beerus introduced God Ki, and Frieza introduced the potential in beings who naturally started off increadbily strong like Buu. Ubb is a powerhouse waiting to happen if Goku plays his cards right.

[Ki Breaker]

Actually, both the BoG arc and the RoF arc give more reason to train the reincarnation of Kid Buu

What reason could goku possibly have to train a being who for all he knows would turn just as strong as kid buu?
Nome of them could stand against Berrus or freeza

Beerus introduced God Ki, and Frieza introduced the potential in beings who naturally started off increadbily strong like Buu. Ubb is a powerhouse waiting to happen if Goku plays his cards right.

We know that now because we know buu can get stronger with training, but it was not confirmed back then that uub can surpass the level kid buu was at, it's not like human body can help get him stronger either, it's all depending on kid buu to help him think of matching SS3.. humans aren't shown to be able to utilize god ki either, we don't know if uub can..

Now that we know buu has crazy potential to get stonger with training as well, now it will help him training uub even more..

[Kanassa]

What reason could goku possibly have to train a being who for all he knows would turn just as strong as kid buu?
Nome of them could stand against Berrus or freeza

Beerus introduced God Ki, and Frieza introduced the potential in beings who naturally started off increadbily strong like Buu. Ubb is a powerhouse waiting to happen if Goku plays his cards right.

We know that now because we know buu can get stronger with training, but it was not confirmed back then that uub can surpass the level kid buu was at, it's not like human body can help get him stronger either, it's all depending on kid buu to help him think of matching SS3.. humans aren't shown to be able to utilize god ki either, we don't know if uub can..

Now that we know buu has crazy potential to get stonger with training as well, now it will help him training uub even more..

I'm not understanding what you're saying... Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

What I meant was that we know that Buu is naturally strong in his pure form (Even if his absorption forms are stronger), enough to still keep Goku, Vegeta and Mr Buu on the ropes. And Frieza proved just how big a jump in power someone who never trained, yet was naturally super strong, can make when they start trainig. So, if Frieza can make a leap to the level of a God in such short time. Then Uub, who to my understanding is just as strong as Kid Buu by nature when he's mad, should be able to go even higher. And if Goku teaches him how to unlock God Ki, even higher. Super shows that training Uub might just give Goku his greatest opponent yet.

As a side-note, this just made me realise that Vegeta was the only Z villain who wasn't just "Baby, I was born this way"

[Ki Breaker]

Beerus introduced God Ki, and Frieza introduced the potential in beings who naturally started off increadbily strong like Buu. Ubb is a powerhouse waiting to happen if Goku plays his cards right.

We know that now because we know buu can get stronger with training, but it was not confirmed back then that uub can surpass the level kid buu was at, it's not like human body can help get him stronger either, it's all depending on kid buu to help him think of matching SS3.. humans aren't shown to be able to utilize god ki either, we don't know if uub can..

Now that we know buu has crazy potential to get stonger with training as well, now it will help him training uub even more..

I'm not understanding what you're saying... Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

What I meant was that we know that Buu is naturally strong in his pure form (Even if his absorption forms are stronger), enough to still keep Goku, Vegeta and Mr Buu on the ropes. And Frieza proved just how big a jump in power someone who never trained, yet was naturally super strong, can make when they start trainig. So, if Frieza can make a leap to the level of a God in such short time. Then Uub, who to my understanding is just as strong as Kid Buu by nature when he's mad, should be able to go even higher. And if Goku teaches him how to unlock God Ki, even higher. Super shows that training Uub might just give Goku his greatest opponent yet.

As a side-note, this just made me realise that Vegeta was the only Z villain who wasn't just "Baby, I was born this way"

I am just saying, showing us buu can train to attain more power is possible is helping the logic of goku taking uub in..

Freeza didn't show us someone who didn't train can attain god level by training, he showed us he can do it, because he has great potential..
Same can't be said about buu until proven otherwise..
If this wasn't the case we would have a botamo who never trained train and become god level, which somehow i doubt is happening..

I agree with everything else of uub having really good potential now that it's confirmed by buu

[SansrivaaL]

I hope they do some battle damage on their gi this time, like both Gohan and Goku's orange top gi gets torn, I was glad when Goku's orange gi got destroyed after he punched the sun like ball that Beerus threw at him, sadly that was at the end of the fight.

[Totamo]

Gt is very faint for me, but super 17 had a very good shield right?
Maybe they go that way with him here..
That's the move he is shown to be using when everyone is shown to be doing their strongest attacks..

Oh yeah, I forgot he had an ultimate type shield in GT, I hope they do the same here, then I wouldnt have any problem with SSJB Goku actually having a problem with the fist clash while 17 was stone as hell.

What was the weak point of his shield again?
Damn GT really didn't stick around for me

There was no shield. Super 17 got stronger by absorbing ki but he couldn't attack while doing it, so 18 spammed ki blast and Goku dragon fisted him then continuously Kamehamehaed him.

[Ki Breaker]

Oh yeah, I forgot he had an ultimate type shield in GT, I hope they do the same here, then I wouldnt have any problem with SSJB Goku actually having a problem with the fist clash while 17 was stone as hell.

What was the weak point of his shield again?
Damn GT really didn't stick around for me

There was no shield. Super 17 got stronger by absorbing ki but he couldn't attack while doing it, so 18 spammed ki blast and Goku dragon fisted him then continuously Kamehamehaed him.

That's what we are referring to as a shield here..
No attacks are hurting him when he is in that pose..
It's technically not a 'shield' but it works the same..
Yeah right, he couldn't attack while doing it, that's the weakness it had

[TheMathemagician]

I hope they do some battle damage on their gi this time, like both Gohan and Goku's orange top gi gets torn, I was glad when Goku's orange gi got destroyed after he punched the sun like ball that Beerus threw at him, sadly that was at the end of the fight.

This saga better bring me battle damaged shirtless Goku.

[Totamo]

Can androids sense ki because 16 said he and cell were on par.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Can androids sense ki because 16 said he and cell were on par.

#16 specifically noted that he had a power indicator of some sort, so there's not enough information to say.

[Ki Breaker]

Can androids sense ki because 16 said he and cell were on par.

Only 16 can, he had a sensor, 17 and 18 aren't shown to be able to do it, assume they can't until proven otherwise

[Khin]

Can androids sense ki because 16 said he and cell were on par.

Dr. Gero, #19, and #16 can, but it’s greatly implied that #17 and #18 can’t (at least in the manga).

Android #19 was able to tell that Yamcha is coming, and even mistook him as Goku because of his unusual high power. Gero was able to tell that Goku powered up by turning Super Saiyan, and noted that it greatly exceeds their data, but still nothing to worry about. #16, like you said, was able to tell that he and Imperfect Cell are on par. It’s just that their way of sensing power is the same as the scouters, so they’re just as unreliable (Piccolo even noted this in his fight with Gero, saying that they can amplify their Ki when they attack, so the power Gero sensed earlier doesn’t mean anything).

As for #18 and #17 not being able to sense Ki, there are several implications of it in the manga. One good example is when Piccolo powered up against imperfect Cell, #17 felt that the ground is shaking like an earthquake and questions the powerful atmospheric disruption, and #16 notes that there are two high powers battling each somewhere far away, one of which have power that rivals #17 and #18. After that, #17 scoffs #16’s about statement, and noted that Gero must have implanted a power sensor on him. Another one is when Piccolo battles the Androids, #17 and #18 had no idea that Piccolo became much more powerful until Piccolo started kicking #17’s ass, unlike #16 who was able to tell once Piccolo started powering up.

But for what its worth, the JSAT special showed #18 being able to sense Tarble/Abo/Kado’s ki, which means by that point, she already have the capability to sense power. If I recall correctly, there’s also a filler scene where #18 sensed Boo’s power (but like I said, it’s filler). #18 and #17 are mostly organic, so they can probably learn how to sense Ki in a traditional sense like everyone else, and perhaps #18 learned it from Kuririn or something.

[Krillin1994]

When do you guys think we will see Yamcha again? it'd be pretty cool if the tournament doesn't have spectators and he decides to train for 48 minutes to become Grand Priest tier.

[Ki Breaker]

it'd be pretty cool if the tournament doesn't have spectators and Yamcha decides to train for 48 minutes to become Grand Priest tier.

No, no, no , no , no , no , no..
How about no?
Absolutely hell no..

Let's not go to this level of broken scaling, ever

[Krillin1994]

Or what if Yamcha sees universe 9 and it awakens his wolf DNA and it is revealed he is actually a half human half U9 wolf hybrid and has the most potential out of anyone?

[TekTheNinja]

Aw, now I'm sad because I'm reminded that Rossi is here instead of Yamcha.

Does Toriyama just not like Yamcha anymore or something? It's seeming like that.

[Ki Breaker]

Or what if Yamcha sees universe 9 and it awakens his wolf DNA and it is revealed he is actually a half human half U9 wolf hybrid and has the most potential out of anyone?

Meh, that's okay..
It's at least an explanation, it would be better if the medicine basil took falls on his lap instead, he eats it and turns into a wolf shooting his power level up, and he can perfect the transformation at will after that..

[Lord Beerus]

Aw, now I'm sad because I'm reminded that Rossi is here instead of Yamcha.

Does Toriyama just not like Yamcha anymore or something? It's seeming like that.

Considering how much Yamcha is a glorified measuring stick in practically every battle he's in within the manga and how he intentionally left Yamcha out of Ressurection F, a story that Toriyama himself scripted, I think it's safe to say he doesn't care for the character.