So much work to do I am far behind the spoilers..pacz360 wrote:Check what herms wrote about him in his profile.Ki Breaker wrote:Where is that written?pacz360 wrote:Uhh I'm confused how do toei think iwan look likes anything like shiva here?
Edit: nevermind thanks SAN
And yet he's still higher then Beerus! That proves rank dose not equal power...unless you Universe 11 that isTotamo wrote:
Chamoa is a lazy.
.You're making a lot of bold claims that just as easily could end up wrong. It wouldn't be surprising at all if 17 got more screen time than someone like Piccolo. Especially with Piccolo's track record in Super. From your comments, you seem to think it's impossible for it to happen, but I can't say it would be surprising in the least. Doesn't mean I'd necessarily want it though, but it's very likely. Doesn't mean it will happen though, but you really shouldn't rule it out when it actually is a fairly likely possibility that 17 will be more important than a majority of the U7 characters.namekiansaiyan wrote:Your last point won't happen becuase of your first sentence. He is not a Future Trunks and will not be put in front of Gohan and Piccolo or shouldn't be. Bringing 17 out of nowhere to be very important in the biggest arc is madness when there is nothing special about him throughout the franchise.Beyond wrote:17 getting so much hype you'd think he was F.T/Gohan level popular. Who at toei is a 17 fanboy cause they either overdoing it or 17 about to put in some of the finest work in this arc.
I don't remember Cell being all that popular in Japan.Lapislettuce wrote:These salty comments about 17 are SERIOUSLY triggering me,who are you even to discuss the characters popularity ? it's very subjective just because in your own mind you don't like a character or you don't think he isn't doesn't mean that it's a fact,17 might not be Vegeta popular but i've been in the fandom long enough to tell you all that he is in fact WELL LIKED,and he should've been a part of the cast right after the cell saga but you could see they were too busy making Gohan the main character (which flopped) and focusing on the tournament and stuff,the only reason 18 joined was because of Krillin even Toriyama said he wanted krillin to get married he couldn't care less to whom he just wanted to reward Krillin,even with 18's popularity in japan she still doesn't get enough screen time and all her episodes are involoved around Krillin which is a proof that popularity is very irrelevant since you're all obsessed by same thing with Gohan you all think he's super popular but the guy has been forgotten by the writers for a long time now,he's just now making his comeback.
To comeback to 17,what's wrong with realising the potencial of character bringing him back since a lot of people will be interested in it and promoting him,Toei got Toriyama's blessing he agreed by saying that he believes in 17's potencial,most of you are just mad because he's getting more promotion than your favorites which is pretty sad,because me and other 17 fans have suffered hell and been waiting for him to comeback for a long time and to see the way you're all downplaying him makes me sick,and that "17 fanboy in toei" argument is STUPID,if people in Toei could do whatever they liked and bring characters here and there then we would see Cell being revived and Broly becoming canon (aren't these the popular characters according to y'all ?).
Just in some shots.Sora Saiyan wrote:Just noticed that Uni 10s angel doesn't have a halo.
Gohan becoming the main character has nothing to do with 17 becoming irrelevant. I don't see how you came to that conclusion seeing as how it didn't stop Goten,Trunks and even 18 from having some sort of spotlight. Plus, you'd think they would have brought him back in the bog,Champa, or Rof arc if that was the case. Gohan is super popular . That's a fact. His ranks in various popularity polls, and people begging him to come back are proof of that. No one begged for 17 to come back. Now that he has, it's more of a "oh that's cool moment " than a "I've been waiting for this" moment . Not to say 17 isn't popular, I think most people feel positively about him. It's just that he's almost no one's favorite character. Cell isn't that popular and Female Broly is a thing for a reason. Toei can influence the arcs, they did it with the Future Trunks arc. Of course, it'll only be done with Toriyamas approval but it doesn't mean it didn't have a Toei influence. Most people aren't even hating on 17 here, this rant wasn't that necessary.Lapislettuce wrote:These salty comments about 17 are SERIOUSLY triggering me,who are you even to discuss the characters popularity ? it's very subjective just because in your own mind you don't like a character or you don't think he isn't doesn't mean that it's a fact,17 might not be Vegeta popular but i've been in the fandom long enough to tell you all that he is in fact WELL LIKED,and he should've been a part of the cast right after the cell saga but you could see they were too busy making Gohan the main character (which flopped) and focusing on the tournament and stuff,the only reason 18 joined was because of Krillin even Toriyama said he wanted krillin to get married he couldn't care less to whom he just wanted to reward Krillin,even with 18's popularity in japan she still doesn't get enough screen time and all her episodes are involoved around Krillin which is a proof that popularity is very irrelevant since you're all obsessed by same thing with Gohan you all think he's super popular but the guy has been forgotten by the writers for a long time now,he's just now making his comeback.
To comeback to 17,what's wrong with realising the potencial of character bringing him back since a lot of people will be interested in it and promoting him,Toei got Toriyama's blessing he agreed by saying that he believes in 17's potencial,most of you are just mad because he's getting more promotion than your favorites which is pretty sad,because me and other 17 fans have suffered hell and been waiting for him to comeback for a long time and to see the way you're all downplaying him makes me sick,and that "17 fanboy in toei" argument is STUPID,if people in Toei could do whatever they liked and bring characters here and there then we would see Cell being revived and Broly becoming canon (aren't these the popular characters according to y'all ?).
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
But we are getting a Broly, a female version at least. Also who are we to discuss the character popularity? oh, you know, fans. Calling Gohan a forgotten character would make 17 a relic that shouldnt have happened.Lapislettuce wrote:These salty comments about 17 are SERIOUSLY triggering me,who are you even to discuss the characters popularity ? it's very subjective just because in your own mind you don't like a character or you don't think he isn't doesn't mean that it's a fact,17 might not be Vegeta popular but i've been in the fandom long enough to tell you all that he is in fact WELL LIKED,and he should've been a part of the cast right after the cell saga but you could see they were too busy making Gohan the main character (which flopped) and focusing on the tournament and stuff,the only reason 18 joined was because of Krillin even Toriyama said he wanted krillin to get married he couldn't care less to whom he just wanted to reward Krillin,even with 18's popularity in japan she still doesn't get enough screen time and all her episodes are involoved around Krillin which is a proof that popularity is very irrelevant since you're all obsessed by same thing with Gohan you all think he's super popular but the guy has been forgotten by the writers for a long time now,he's just now making his comeback.
To comeback to 17,what's wrong with realising the potencial of character bringing him back since a lot of people will be interested in it and promoting him,Toei got Toriyama's blessing he agreed by saying that he believes in 17's potencial,most of you are just mad because he's getting more promotion than your favorites which is pretty sad,because me and other 17 fans have suffered hell and been waiting for him to comeback for a long time and to see the way you're all downplaying him makes me sick,and that "17 fanboy in toei" argument is STUPID,if people in Toei could do whatever they liked and bring characters here and there then we would see Cell being revived and Broly becoming canon (aren't these the popular characters according to y'all ?).
Popularity isn't really that subjective, but it is hard to determine because it's not kept on records and constantly updated. I'm not saying 17 doesn't deserve shine. He does. I'm just surprised at the level of hype he is getting. It's more than anyone else. It's to the point where 17 HAS to do something major or else they over did it. 17 needs to be integral to the plot for this hype to be justified. Even F.T didn't get as much hype, and F.T was more important than 17 ever was in dbz. I could believe Toriyama had 17 in his outline, but I'm pretty sure if he is SSB level that's all toei(not 100% sure but pretty sure). Popularity doesn't matter too much with the outline because Toriyama doesn't care much about that stuff, but I bet it means a lot to the people promoting the arc, and the people at Toei who take the outline and add to it, so that some characters get to look cool(like Trunks in his arc), and I'm thinking one of them must really likes 17 to be doing him like this. It's not a bad thing. I almost expect 17 to do better than Gohan and maybe even Vegeta now, but the show itself is hyping Gohan like he is going to be the big deal, so it's kind like wtf is going on right now?Lapislettuce wrote:These salty comments about 17 are SERIOUSLY triggering me,who are you even to discuss the characters popularity ? it's very subjective just because in your own mind you don't like a character or you don't think he isn't doesn't mean that it's a fact,17 might not be Vegeta popular but i've been in the fandom long enough to tell you all that he is in fact WELL LIKED,and he should've been a part of the cast right after the cell saga but you could see they were too busy making Gohan the main character (which flopped) and focusing on the tournament and stuff,the only reason 18 joined was because of Krillin even Toriyama said he wanted krillin to get married he couldn't care less to whom he just wanted to reward Krillin,even with 18's popularity in japan she still doesn't get enough screen time and all her episodes are involoved around Krillin which is a proof that popularity is very irrelevant since you're all obsessed by same thing with Gohan you all think he's super popular but the guy has been forgotten by the writers for a long time now,he's just now making his comeback.
To comeback to 17,what's wrong with realising the potencial of character bringing him back since a lot of people will be interested in it and promoting him,Toei got Toriyama's blessing he agreed by saying that he believes in 17's potencial,most of you are just mad because he's getting more promotion than your favorites which is pretty sad,because me and other 17 fans have suffered hell and been waiting for him to comeback for a long time and to see the way you're all downplaying him makes me sick,and that "17 fanboy in toei" argument is STUPID,if people in Toei could do whatever they liked and bring characters here and there then we would see Cell being revived and Broly becoming canon (aren't these the popular characters according to y'all ?).
There's actually a video explaining why he didn't show up in the previous arcs,it's mainly because till this point he would have been very irrelevant,can you imagine 17 being invited to Bulma's party just to get his ass kicked by Beerus ? also in ROF why would he show up ? he's not a close friend to any of them,why would he show up just out of no where to fight some fodder soldiers just to get his ass kicked by togoma,and finally the U6 was basically just Vegeta kicking ass then hyping up Hit so Goku could have a great fight with him,and Future Trunks's arc also was mostly just Trunks,Goku and Vegeta not exacly an arc for 17 to comeback,now with the universal survival it's the right time and he's finally getting the spotlight he deserved i don't see why anyone would be surprised at that,and i never said Gohan wasn't popular i was implaying that HE IS but didn't stop them from not giving them screen time which is a proof that popoluraity is irrelevant,and i wasn't talking about your comments i was mainly talking about "namakian saiyan" who writes very obnoxious comments.kinisking wrote:Gohan becoming the main character has nothing to do with 17 becoming irrelevant. I don't see how you came to that conclusion seeing as how it didn't stop Goten,Trunks and even 18 from having some sort of spotlight. Plus, you'd think they would have brought him back in the bog,Champa, or Rof arc if that was the case. Gohan is super popular . That's a fact. His ranks in various popularity polls, and people begging him to come back are proof of that. No one begged for 17 to come back. Now that he has, it's more of a "oh that's cool moment " than a "I've been waiting for this" moment . Not to say 17 isn't popular, I think most people feel positively about him. It's just that he's almost no one's favorite character. Cell isn't that popular and Female Broly is a thing for a reason. Toei can influence the arcs, they did it with the Future Trunks arc. Of course, it'll only be done with Toriyamas approval but it doesn't mean it didn't have a Toei influence. Most people aren't even hating on 17 here, this rant wasn't that necessary.Lapislettuce wrote:These salty comments about 17 are SERIOUSLY triggering me,who are you even to discuss the characters popularity ? it's very subjective just because in your own mind you don't like a character or you don't think he isn't doesn't mean that it's a fact,17 might not be Vegeta popular but i've been in the fandom long enough to tell you all that he is in fact WELL LIKED,and he should've been a part of the cast right after the cell saga but you could see they were too busy making Gohan the main character (which flopped) and focusing on the tournament and stuff,the only reason 18 joined was because of Krillin even Toriyama said he wanted krillin to get married he couldn't care less to whom he just wanted to reward Krillin,even with 18's popularity in japan she still doesn't get enough screen time and all her episodes are involoved around Krillin which is a proof that popularity is very irrelevant since you're all obsessed by same thing with Gohan you all think he's super popular but the guy has been forgotten by the writers for a long time now,he's just now making his comeback.
To comeback to 17,what's wrong with realising the potencial of character bringing him back since a lot of people will be interested in it and promoting him,Toei got Toriyama's blessing he agreed by saying that he believes in 17's potencial,most of you are just mad because he's getting more promotion than your favorites which is pretty sad,because me and other 17 fans have suffered hell and been waiting for him to comeback for a long time and to see the way you're all downplaying him makes me sick,and that "17 fanboy in toei" argument is STUPID,if people in Toei could do whatever they liked and bring characters here and there then we would see Cell being revived and Broly becoming canon (aren't these the popular characters according to y'all ?).
It's actually quite possible that someone at Toei does like 17 just like the recent interview one of the producers the way he was describing his character only a fan would describe him so well the thing i disagreed with is that he's only promoted because one of his fanboys is working for toei,to me it just seem that they are giving an underused character a chance.Beyond wrote:Popularity isn't really that subjective, but it is hard to determine because it's not kept on records and constantly updated. I'm not saying 17 doesn't deserve shine. He does. I'm just surprised at the level of hype he is getting. It's more than anyone else. It's to the point where 17 HAS to do something major or else they over did it. 17 needs to be integral to the plot for this hype to be justified. Even F.T didn't get as much hype, and F.T was more important than 17 ever was in dbz. I could believe Toriyama had 17 in his outline, but I'm pretty sure if his SSB level that's all toei(not 100% sure but pretty sure). Popularity doesn't matter too much with the outline because Toriyama doesn't care much about that stuff, but I bet it means a lot to the people promoting the arc, and the people at Toei who take the outline and add to it, so that some characters get to look cool(like Trunks in his arc), and I'm thinking one of them must really like 17 to be doing him like this. It's not a bad thing. I almost expect 17 to do better than Gohan and maybe even Vegeta now, but the show itself is hyping Gohan like he is going to be the big deal, so it's kind like wtf is going on right now?Lapislettuce wrote:These salty comments about 17 are SERIOUSLY triggering me,who are you even to discuss the characters popularity ? it's very subjective just because in your own mind you don't like a character or you don't think he isn't doesn't mean that it's a fact,17 might not be Vegeta popular but i've been in the fandom long enough to tell you all that he is in fact WELL LIKED,and he should've been a part of the cast right after the cell saga but you could see they were too busy making Gohan the main character (which flopped) and focusing on the tournament and stuff,the only reason 18 joined was because of Krillin even Toriyama said he wanted krillin to get married he couldn't care less to whom he just wanted to reward Krillin,even with 18's popularity in japan she still doesn't get enough screen time and all her episodes are involoved around Krillin which is a proof that popularity is very irrelevant since you're all obsessed by same thing with Gohan you all think he's super popular but the guy has been forgotten by the writers for a long time now,he's just now making his comeback.
To comeback to 17,what's wrong with realising the potencial of character bringing him back since a lot of people will be interested in it and promoting him,Toei got Toriyama's blessing he agreed by saying that he believes in 17's potencial,most of you are just mad because he's getting more promotion than your favorites which is pretty sad,because me and other 17 fans have suffered hell and been waiting for him to comeback for a long time and to see the way you're all downplaying him makes me sick,and that "17 fanboy in toei" argument is STUPID,if people in Toei could do whatever they liked and bring characters here and there then we would see Cell being revived and Broly becoming canon (aren't these the popular characters according to y'all ?).
I mean, those are the events as they happened without 17. With 17, the events could have been altered. They simply didn't want to use him back then. It's not like they were waiting for the right time. People are surprised because he's been irrelevant for so long and now he's being treated like he's always been a core character of Dragonball. I don't think they're necessarily against it. I think they're just surprised. You're right about popularity not being a major factor in relevance. I agree. NamekianSaiyan does have some very biased and strong opinions, I would just ignore most of what he says.Lapislettuce wrote:There's actually a video explaining why he didn't show up in the previous arcs,it's mainly because till this point he would have been very irrelevant,can you imagine 17 being invited to Bulma's party just to get his ass kicked by Beerus ? also in ROF why would he show up ? he's not a close friend to any of them,why would he show up just out of no where to fight some fodder soldiers just to get his ass kicked by togoma,and finally the U6 was basically just Vegeta kicking ass then hyping up Hit so Goku could have a great fight with him,and Future Trunks's arc also was mostly just Trunks,Goku and Vegeta not exacly an arc for 17 to comeback,now with the universal survival it's the right time and he's finally getting the spotlight he deserved i don't see why anyone would be surprised at that,and i never said Gohan wasn't popular i was implaying that HE IS but didn't stop them from not giving them screen time which is a proof that popoluraity is irrelevant,and i wasn't talking about your comments i was mainly talking about "namakian saiyan" who writes very obnoxious comments.kinisking wrote:Gohan becoming the main character has nothing to do with 17 becoming irrelevant. I don't see how you came to that conclusion seeing as how it didn't stop Goten,Trunks and even 18 from having some sort of spotlight. Plus, you'd think they would have brought him back in the bog,Champa, or Rof arc if that was the case. Gohan is super popular . That's a fact. His ranks in various popularity polls, and people begging him to come back are proof of that. No one begged for 17 to come back. Now that he has, it's more of a "oh that's cool moment " than a "I've been waiting for this" moment . Not to say 17 isn't popular, I think most people feel positively about him. It's just that he's almost no one's favorite character. Cell isn't that popular and Female Broly is a thing for a reason. Toei can influence the arcs, they did it with the Future Trunks arc. Of course, it'll only be done with Toriyamas approval but it doesn't mean it didn't have a Toei influence. Most people aren't even hating on 17 here, this rant wasn't that necessary.Lapislettuce wrote:These salty comments about 17 are SERIOUSLY triggering me,who are you even to discuss the characters popularity ? it's very subjective just because in your own mind you don't like a character or you don't think he isn't doesn't mean that it's a fact,17 might not be Vegeta popular but i've been in the fandom long enough to tell you all that he is in fact WELL LIKED,and he should've been a part of the cast right after the cell saga but you could see they were too busy making Gohan the main character (which flopped) and focusing on the tournament and stuff,the only reason 18 joined was because of Krillin even Toriyama said he wanted krillin to get married he couldn't care less to whom he just wanted to reward Krillin,even with 18's popularity in japan she still doesn't get enough screen time and all her episodes are involoved around Krillin which is a proof that popularity is very irrelevant since you're all obsessed by same thing with Gohan you all think he's super popular but the guy has been forgotten by the writers for a long time now,he's just now making his comeback.
To comeback to 17,what's wrong with realising the potencial of character bringing him back since a lot of people will be interested in it and promoting him,Toei got Toriyama's blessing he agreed by saying that he believes in 17's potencial,most of you are just mad because he's getting more promotion than your favorites which is pretty sad,because me and other 17 fans have suffered hell and been waiting for him to comeback for a long time and to see the way you're all downplaying him makes me sick,and that "17 fanboy in toei" argument is STUPID,if people in Toei could do whatever they liked and bring characters here and there then we would see Cell being revived and Broly becoming canon (aren't these the popular characters according to y'all ?).
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
It would've been great to see 17, Future Trunks, Gohan and 18 try to protect Future Trunks future though.SansrivaaL wrote:17 coulda had great roles in the previous arcs.
BoG yeah I can understand, but having him there would still be cool and not exactly out of place, he doesnt need to try and fight Beerus, he can just be there and watch them get their ass kicked and laugh at them for losing so easy.
RF they could have had them fight near 17's place or just near some animals that he's been taking care of, a random Freeza soldier comes out and misfires on one of the animals leading to 17 kicking all their asses, no one touches the squirrel.
U6 yeah... he can sit that one out and FT arc as well, but having Future Trunks see 17's alternate self of his timeline would be a good moment like how surprised he was at 18.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Android 17 helping the future world fight a new evil would be a lot more cool..SansrivaaL wrote:17 coulda had great roles in the previous arcs.
BoG yeah I can understand, but having him there would still be cool and not exactly out of place, he doesnt need to try and fight Beerus, he can just be there and watch them get their ass kicked and laugh at them for losing so easy.
RF they could have had them fight near 17's place or just near some animals that he's been taking care of, a random Freeza soldier comes out and misfires on one of the animals leading to 17 kicking all their asses, no one touches the squirrel.
U6 yeah... he can sit that one out and FT arc as well, but having Future Trunks see 17's alternate self of his timeline would be a good moment like how surprised he was at 18.
That applies to everyone but Goku, Gohan, Krillin, and Roshi.Ki Breaker wrote:Android 17 helping the future world fight a new evil would be a lot more cool..SansrivaaL wrote:17 coulda had great roles in the previous arcs.
BoG yeah I can understand, but having him there would still be cool and not exactly out of place, he doesnt need to try and fight Beerus, he can just be there and watch them get their ass kicked and laugh at them for losing so easy.
RF they could have had them fight near 17's place or just near some animals that he's been taking care of, a random Freeza soldier comes out and misfires on one of the animals leading to 17 kicking all their asses, no one touches the squirrel.
U6 yeah... he can sit that one out and FT arc as well, but having Future Trunks see 17's alternate self of his timeline would be a good moment like how surprised he was at 18.
The previous threat fighting the new threat..
That's why I love majin buu fighting
The difference is, they aren't cool enoughBeyond wrote:That applies to everyone but Goku, Gohan, Krillin, and Roshi.Ki Breaker wrote:Android 17 helping the future world fight a new evil would be a lot more cool..SansrivaaL wrote:17 coulda had great roles in the previous arcs.
BoG yeah I can understand, but having him there would still be cool and not exactly out of place, he doesnt need to try and fight Beerus, he can just be there and watch them get their ass kicked and laugh at them for losing so easy.
RF they could have had them fight near 17's place or just near some animals that he's been taking care of, a random Freeza soldier comes out and misfires on one of the animals leading to 17 kicking all their asses, no one touches the squirrel.
U6 yeah... he can sit that one out and FT arc as well, but having Future Trunks see 17's alternate self of his timeline would be a good moment like how surprised he was at 18.
The previous threat fighting the new threat..
That's why I love majin buu fighting
