"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Hopefully Gogeta Red will be the savior of this arc

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Woah! This last month has really flown by! I didn't even realize we were so far into the month. More than anything else, I'm curious as to how long it will take for Viz to release their translation.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Vegetto or Gogeta-

It's the final countdown fellas. Next week we will have our answers for this.

If Vegetto appears, then it's confirmed it comes from Toriyama.

If Gogeta appears however, I have my doubts it came from Toyotaro and not from someone above (Shueisha), and Toriyama was just vague about it. Like "Goku and Vegeta fuse and fight Merged Zamasu" or something like that.

Have Vegetto in the anime and Gogeta in the manga would be a smart move from a business point of view. Bandai would already have their pockets prepared to announce God Gogeta's figures.

I'm also curious about Merged Zamasu moveset. If the godly attacks he did in the anime came from Toei and not from Toriyama, I expect nothing from Toyotaro's creativity.

I also doubt this is the last chapter. Next month should be the last one.

[sintzu]

The manga has been very different so far so I think we'll get Gogeta or Vegetto Red.

[The gr]

Isn't obvious,we will see vegito, because they have two kaioshin with potara, that's the problem with gogeta,we need a legit why they go for the dance Instead of potara, but maybe toyotaro will surprise us and have merged zamasu destroyed the earrings, resorting goku and vegeta to gogeta, and I Don't think we Will vegito red, because Vegeta still have ssb so if they fuse,we will get ssb vegito

[sintzu]

I Don't think we Will vegito red, because Vegeta still have ssb so if they fuse,we will get ssb vegito

Yet that didn't stop Vegeta from using Red so maybe he'll do what he did and switch between the 2.

[OLKv3]

I doubt Zamasu will have his RPG attacks in the manga

[The gr]

Do we really need vegito , because I don't think he contributed to the plot in episode 66,it just really felt like fan service, so i wouldn't be angry if fusion are excluded in this continuity

[Grimlock]

Have Vegetto in the anime and Gogeta in the manga would be a smart move from a business point of view.

Actually it would be a smart move from all points of view; subjects, stuff, possibilities, future and etc.

[Neon Z]

Do we really need vegito , because I don't think he contributed to the plot in episode 66,it just really felt like fan service, so i wouldn't be angry if fusion are excluded in this continuity

Vegeto was there exactly to be written out. The time limitation introduced there pretty much restricts his future use and Fusion as an answer to any future threats. If that's not done, it'll leave Fusion as an easy answer for future arcs, which would be a mistake.

The one change I can see happening regarding the fusion is Vegeto maybe staying in SSJ God, with Blue in bursts, like Vegeta vs Black.

[dbzfan7]

Do we really need vegito , because I don't think he contributed to the plot in episode 66,it just really felt like fan service, so i wouldn't be angry if fusion are excluded in this continuity

Yep it was utterly pointless and made it less broken since Kaioshin could be defused which happened earlier, and yet more broken as Vegeta has no excuse no more. I'd honestly rather there be no fusion period, or at least just Gogeta if there had to be a fusion.

[BlueBasilisk]

Vegeto was there exactly to be written out. The time limitation introduced there pretty much restricts his future use and Fusion as an answer to any future threats. If that's not done, it'll leave Fusion as an easy answer for future arcs, which would be a mistake.

But the time limit should have exactly the opposite effect: there's no reason not to use Vegeto now that the fusion isn't permanent. It's just an all-around better version of the Fusion Dance.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

But the time limit should have exactly the opposite effect: there's no reason not to use Vegeto now that the fusion isn't permanent. It's just an all-around better version of the Fusion Dance.

Not necessarily. Sure, it's similar to the fusion dance, but it also has the same weaknesses. Once a fusion passes into a certain realm of power, their stamina and time are all eaten up all at once. While the Potara would now be a better option for Gotenks if the opportunity arose, Vegetto is so powerful that it only lasts a few minutes, making him effectively useless unless he can finish it as immediately as possible. For Goku and Vegeta, it's identical to the SS3 conundrum.

Granted, the details are subject to change in the manga, but I have a feeling it'll be about the same.

[Neon Z]

Vegeto was there exactly to be written out. The time limitation introduced there pretty much restricts his future use and Fusion as an answer to any future threats. If that's not done, it'll leave Fusion as an easy answer for future arcs, which would be a mistake.

But the time limit should have exactly the opposite effect: there's no reason not to use Vegeto now that the fusion isn't permanent. It's just an all-around better version of the Fusion Dance.

They already had means of undoing the fusion though (the previous assumption that going inside Buu would do it again, or the Dragonballs). So, there was no time limit and no drawbacks. Here, not only they introduced a time limit, but also added how the power used by the fusion actually drains the users after they split. So, it's a pretty dangerous bet against an actual strong opponent.

[dbzfan7]

But the time limit should have exactly the opposite effect: there's no reason not to use Vegeto now that the fusion isn't permanent. It's just an all-around better version of the Fusion Dance.

Not necessarily. Sure, it's similar to the fusion dance, but it also has the same weaknesses. Once a fusion passes into a certain realm of power, their stamina and time are all eaten up all at once. While the Potara would now be a better option for Gotenks if the opportunity arose, Vegetto is so powerful that it only lasts a few minutes, making him effectively useless unless he can finish it as immediately as possible. For Goku and Vegeta, it's identical to the SS3 conundrum.

Granted, the details are subject to change in the manga, but I have a feeling it'll be about the same.

Where do you get a few minutes from? They never mention it lasts a few minutes or they'd say so. They said something along the lines that it hasn't even been an hour. If it was a few minutes they'd say "It hasn't even been 5 minutes" Less than an hour is still better than the fusion dance and plenty reliable.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Where do you get a few minutes from? They never mention it lasts a few minutes or they'd say so.

Re-watch the episode. He gets 10-ish minutes of screen time, and a good portion of that is extended cinematic timing. There are a total of 3 small spats against Zamasu between the beginning of the fight and Vegetto's final Kamehameha. Every last context clue points to it being a very short fusion.

[dbzfan7]

Where do you get a few minutes from? They never mention it lasts a few minutes or they'd say so.

Re-watch the episode. He gets 10-ish minutes of screen time, and a good portion of that is extended cinematic timing. There are a total of 3 small spats between the beginning of the fight and Vegetto's final Kamehameha. It was obviously very short.

Cinematic timing is not the same as actual timing. Nor is screen time a good indicator of how long things last. There's also things going on with others, etc. If it were so short, they would say it lasted like 10 minutes. But the only comment was it didn't last for an hour....so all we know from the characters is that it didn't last one hour. We just know it lasted for less, and that's it. Any other time is mere speculation. But not an hour is unlikely to mean something like 5 minutes as with such a low number, it'd be mentioned. Something like 40 minutes doesn't need a convoluted time said. It could be 50 minutes, 40 minutes 30 minutes, we just know it's less than one hour. If they really wanted to get across it was something like 5 to 10 minutes, they'd have said so. Hell even GT was smart enough to literally say Gogeta lasted for like 10 minutes, giving the audience an easy number to understand.

You're free to come to that conclusion if ya wish, but nothing says it only lasted a few minutes. That is your take of what you saw and that's it.

[Totamo]

I put money on Gogeta.

Just because.

[Bullza]

I think I said it before but I can guess what will happen.

1. They'll try to fight him as they are but prove utterly help against him.

2. So they'll fuse and beat him around.

3. But before they can deliver the final blow, they'll defuse.

4. Once again being utterly helpless they will somehow call upon Zeno.

5. Zeno will destroy Zamasu. There won't be any bodiless Zamasu, he'll just kill the Zamasu and probably the universe.

6. Then it'll play out like the anime.

The saga will most likely end with Trunks being completely worthless the entire saga ruining it entirely.

[OLKv3]

It's a good thing Trunks wasn't worthless then