"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kagari]

There's actually a video explaining why he didn't show up in the previous arcs,it's mainly because till this point he would have been very irrelevant,can you imagine 17 being invited to Bulma's party just to get his ass kicked by Beerus ? also in ROF why would he show up ? he's not a close friend to any of them,why would he show up just out of no where to fight some fodder soldiers just to get his ass kicked by togoma,and finally the U6 was basically just Vegeta kicking ass then hyping up Hit so Goku could have a great fight with him,and Future Trunks's arc also was mostly just Trunks,Goku and Vegeta not exacly an arc for 17 to comeback,now with the universal survival it's the right time and he's finally getting the spotlight he deserved i don't see why anyone would be surprised at that,and i never said Gohan wasn't popular i was implaying that HE IS but didn't stop them from not giving them screen time which is a proof that popoluraity is irrelevant,and i wasn't talking about your comments i was mainly talking about "namakian saiyan" who writes very obnoxious comments.

I mean, those are the events as they happened without 17. With 17, the events could have been altered. They simply didn't want to use him back then. It's not like they were waiting for the right time. People are surprised because he's been irrelevant for so long and now he's being treated like he's always been a core character of Dragonball. I don't think they're necessarily against it. I think they're just surprised. You're right about popularity not being a major factor in relevance. I agree. NamekianSaiyan does have some very biased and strong opinions, I would just ignore most of what he says.

Only thing I complain about is what Toriyama does with his characters. I don't like them being left behind and not having any decent fights just becuase Toriyama won't give them power ups. 17 coming back and being crazy strong is annoying as he could do this to characters who are around permanently. I will accept 17 being really strong in this arc if the others get the same treatment instead of just getting shoved to the side again for a character who was forgotten by Toriyama.

Piccolo has a training episode in two weeks. It seems logical he'll benefit from it.

[kinisking]

When it comes to character polls, if we do get one now I feel like Vegeta's gonna be 1st or Future Trunks.

Nah, the Japanese love Goku. The difference between Vegeta and Goku in the last one was far greater than the difference between Vegeta and Gohan. I'd say it's Goku> Vegeta > Future Trunks>Beerus or Gohan> Beerus or Gohan right now.

[SansrivaaL]

I have seen people hate super.

However the rest of my comment isn't about people who necessarily hate super, but you'd get that image from them because all they ever talk about is what they didn't like about an episode.

Oh... I got what youre saying, the ones that only has negative things to say or disappointment in Super with little to no positivity in their comments. Actually the only person here that I know who's like that is namekiansaiyan, but I can understand him, Piccolo hasnt really been treated well in DBS, and now a guy that has been gone for more than 3 arcs just pops out of nowhere and even gets his own promo vid, that woulda sting me as well if I were a fan of a character that barely got anything in Super. Its just better to set aside your favorite character for other characters as well, I mean despite 17 coming out of nowhere, he's a cool character and is welcome to join in the cast, DBS wasted an opportunity to use 17 in the earlier arcs, he woulda been an awesome add to the cast.

When it comes to character polls, if we do get one now I feel like Vegeta's gonna be 1st or Future Trunks.

Nah, the Japanese love Goku. The difference between Vegeta and Goku in the last one was far greater than the difference between Vegeta and Gohan. I'd say it's Goku> Vegeta > Future Trunks>Beerus or Gohan> Beerus or Gohan right now.

I mean when we count the other countries as well, not just in Japan. True Nihonjin's do love Goku more than the other characters, its why he's the poster boy when it comes to events in Akiba/J Tokyo shonen etc.

When it comes to character polls, if we do get one now I feel like Vegeta's gonna be 1st or Future Trunks.

I feel Vegeta has a decent chance, but I don't think Trunks would get #1. I think Goku would have a better shot at that than Trunks. I'm sure characters like Hit, Black, and Beerus would be pretty popular too.

I second Black and Hit as well, they'll definitely rank up high, dont know about Beerus tho, he's fun but he lies too much for my taste, tho its what makes him fun but its getting old, now that we have a huge cast with the add of the GoDs,angels,kai's and their fighters, having a poll would be fun.

[Noah]

When it comes to character polls, if we do get one now I feel like Vegeta's gonna be 1st or Future Trunks.

It depends if this pool is strictly to Dragon Ball Super or the franchise as a whole, but in both cases I could still see Goku wining even though how bad is his characterization these days

[Araki]

The amount of niptick and hate Super is getting right now is unbelievable . How people actually tought of other cast getting to shine ( on other thing that comedic context) ?
It is like I said, those power jump were NECESSARY because what strategies are they gonna make up if they are just a bunch moon~sun buster (with buu and gohan being exception) against galaxy-universe buster, Goku already proved to Krillin that no strategy work with enormous power gap. It will be the execution that decide whether or not the power up was really worth it.

Nitpick yeah I can understand, but hate? who the heck here hates Super? nitpicking doesnt mean we hate it, just the same as criticising doesnt mean you dont enjoy the show.

Nah, some people actually hate super. And when there are users here they do nothing besides for complain, then it just gets annoying. Maybe if they also mentioned the things they do enjoy about super, then their posts wouldn't make the rest of ours eye roll.

Exactly. And speaking from observation, I'm pretty sure the fact Super is in a fairly good place right now (very successful, the popularity rise since the FT arc, not much to complain about art/animation lately, not being a Goku and Vegeta show anymore, etc) tick off those people who were determined to hate it from day one, so they feel more need to vocalize the hate and nitpick, even if that means whining about things that didn't bother them in Z, what makes it even more pathetic.

And no, i don't think namekiansaiyan is like that. He just wants to see his favorite character treated better, which is fair.

[The gr]

Nitpick yeah I can understand, but hate? who the heck here hates Super? nitpicking doesnt mean we hate it, just the same as criticising doesnt mean you dont enjoy the show.

Nah, some people actually hate super. And when there are users here they do nothing besides for complain, then it just gets annoying. Maybe if they also mentioned the things they do enjoy about super, then their posts wouldn't make the rest of ours eye roll.

Exactly. And speaking from observation, I'm pretty sure the fact Super is in a fairly good place right now (very successful, the popularity rise since the FT arc, not much to complain about art/animation lately, not being a Goku and Vegeta show anymore, etc) tick off those people who were determined to hate it from day one, so they feel more need to vocalize the hate and nitpick, even if that means whining about things that didn't bother them in Z, what makes it even more pathetic.

And no, i don't think namekiansaiyan is like that. He just wants to see his favorite character treated better, which is fair.

Fair point, super have been popular ever since Cabba hit and black,I seen a lot of people hyping them up, and is really successful world wide, maybe some people are critical, but is see 50/50 with criticism and praise.And I understand what namekianasaiyan is saying,is Fair, because his favorite character has been in a steak of bad records

[Legion]

When it comes to character polls, if we do get one now I feel like Vegeta's gonna be 1st or Future Trunks.

Nah, the Japanese love Goku. The difference between Vegeta and Goku in the last one was far greater than the difference between Vegeta and Gohan. I'd say it's Goku> Vegeta > Future Trunks>Beerus or Gohan> Beerus or Gohan right now.

I agree. Maybe even Piccolo.

[SansrivaaL]

Exactly. And speaking from observation, I'm pretty sure the fact Super is in a fairly good place right now (very successful, the popularity rise since the FT arc, not much to complain about art/animation lately, not being a Goku and Vegeta show anymore, etc) tick off those people who were determined to hate it from day one, so they feel more need to vocalize the hate and nitpick, even if that means whining about things that didn't bother them in Z, what makes it even more pathetic.

And no, i don't think namekiansaiyan is like that. He just wants to see his favorite character treated better, which is fair.

Its that I always see him complaining and barely see anything positive from his posts, which like I said yeah I understand where he's coming from as well, but being full on negative wont get Piccolo to come out and get a huge role. Despite me not liking Piccolo that much, I dont like how he's being treated here, even the OP and ED merely has him behind Gohan standing up and looking at him.

They cant exactly complain about the animation now, ever since FT arc animation and fights has been at the very least good to great, and now this arc because of Toei outsourcing the animations has been tripled up compared to the previous ones, even the small bit of fights has great motion and fluid in them and the art is consistent most of the time, if this doesnt get them to like DBS then I dont know what will.

[FortuneSSJ]

It depends if this pool is strictly to Dragon Ball Super or the franchise as a whole, but in both cases I could still see Goku wining even though how bad is his characterization these days

I doubt most of japanese fandom (if any) would agree with what you mean here, because Goku is still the same one voiced by the same person.
They are used to his character and anime overall.

Anyway, Goku would undoubtedly win yes. The first place is predictable, I'm curious about the others.

[SansrivaaL]

Guess I overestimated Vegeta and Future Trunks, really thought people prefer Vegeta over Goku for a lot of reasons, like Vegeta getting the best quotes or Vegeta like others says getting better character development than the one dimensional Goku.

[namekiansaiyan]

Guess I overestimated Vegeta and Future Trunks, really thought people prefer Vegeta over Goku for a lot of reasons, like Vegeta getting the best quotes or Vegeta like others says getting better character development than the one dimensional Goku.

In shonen the main character always comes top of the polls and then the rest is usually decided by who has the most action or most fights.

[Lord Frieza]

I dont know, polls are tricky things and people can be very fickle at times.

Back when Toriko was still running strong they held a poll and some characters who'd only turned up once in a resent chapter got scored very high. You may find some random new characters could make it in.

Edit: there are also weirdos like me out there who can get very attached to new characters for reasons.

[namekiansaiyan]

I dont know, polls are tricky things and people can be very fickle at times.

Back when Toriko was still running strong they held a poll and some characters who'd only turned up once in a resent chapter got scored very high. You may find some random new characters could make it in.

Characters that have done stuff recently also plays a role in character polls.

[Lord Frieza]

I dont know, polls are tricky things and people can be very fickle at times.

Back when Toriko was still running strong they held a poll and some characters who'd only turned up once in a resent chapter got scored very high. You may find some random new characters could make it in.

Characters that have done stuff recently also plays a role in character polls.

This is true for example #17, Buu and Krillin could get more votes.

[SansrivaaL]

Guess I overestimated Vegeta and Future Trunks, really thought people prefer Vegeta over Goku for a lot of reasons, like Vegeta getting the best quotes or Vegeta like others says getting better character development than the one dimensional Goku.

In shonen the main character always comes top of the this polls and then the rest is usually decided by who has the most action or most fights.

Some of the shonen manga's/anime I know has their main character fall short.
Nanatsu No Taizai has Meliodas fall short on polls most of the time, he probably just won 1-2 polls and the rest he was at rank 5-10.
Same with Yu Yu Hakusho, Hiei most of the time is top 1, Yusuke falls on top 2 or 3 for worst sometimes 4.

[kinisking]

When it comes to character polls, if we do get one now I feel like Vegeta's gonna be 1st or Future Trunks.

Nah, the Japanese love Goku. The difference between Vegeta and Goku in the last one was far greater than the difference between Vegeta and Gohan. I'd say it's Goku> Vegeta > Future Trunks>Beerus or Gohan> Beerus or Gohan right now.

I agree. Maybe even Piccolo.

Yup, Piccolo and hit are wild cards. I honestly don't know how to predict them. They could be way less popular than Gohan or more popular than Gohan.

[dbzfan7]

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[Ki Breaker]

Spot the difference
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[Noah]

I doubt most of japanese fandom (if any) would agree with what you mean here, because Goku is still the same one voiced by the same person.
They are used to his character and anime overall.

Anyway, Goku would undoubtedly win yes. The first place is predictable, I'm curious about the others.

"if any"? Pardon, but your lack of knowledge about the huge japanese fan base Dragon Ball ruined the whole point of your first sentence. We could see their hype weeks before RoF was premiering in Japan and their reactions after the infamous Super #005. By anything, they are not as critics as we are here in Kanzenshuu, but you talk like are happy with any new DB content no matter how poor is executed and that's not really true.

Also my complaint about Goku's characterization has nothing to do with his VA, but to his personality and antics. I respect Nozawa work a lot and I'm not a dub fan, don't know where you got that.

[Gafonso6]

Spot the difference
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Atleast let him shave before you start doing comparisons.