"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

I don't like being reminded about how Z ends, Dende. I'm as bored by Uub as I am 17..

You're bored of Uub, a character who hasn't even appeared in this show and got 3 episodes of screentime back in DBZ? Disregarding what he did in GT, we've barely see Uub in the series.

She's saying she isn't interested in uub as of now..
That's exactly the reason, he hasn't done anything to generate interest

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The amount of people getting wound up by a kids cartoon from Japan is the funniest things ever...

That's all the shit I can handle.
If they decide to do this better I might return but that's it for super now..

I am throwing in the towel..

If you're interested in the story just stick to the manga cause as of now it hasn't done any (maybe VERY little) of the nonsense the anime's been doing.

At this point they just don't care, their logic is do whatever will sell and keep kids interested regardless of it making sense or not.

Lmao, Vegeta is SSG but hang on he goes SSGSS the moments he attacks isn't nonsense? Toyo gave Vegeta a new form and you have cheek to throw shade at the anime?

The mere fact that goku needed to go SSB isn't sitting well with me, sure they both held back, how much? He wasn't even flinching when goku was holding back his strength as SSB, 17 is damn near SSB strength if not fully there..

I have had just about enough of this discussion, nothing wrong with you ArchedThunder, everyone suddenly having potential as high as freeza is getting too ridiculous for my tastes..
Not gonna change my mind anymore, i will stick around somewhat but super lost me

17 with zero training was already massively stronger than Freeza was, so his gains from training should be just as huge AND he has far more time to get stronger than Freeza.

Mate stop using logic! How dare you! Don't you know only Saiyans are allowed power boosts off screen!!

[Draconic]

Sooo, there's still no translation of that interview with one of Super's producers?

[Ki Breaker]

The amount of people getting wound up by a kids cartoon from Japan is the funniest things ever...

You are in a forum built to discuss the cartoon, what did you expect?
It's not like people aren't eating food because they are angry

If you're interested in the story just stick to the manga cause as of now it hasn't done any (maybe VERY little) of the nonsense the anime's been doing.

At this point they just don't care, their logic is do whatever will sell and keep kids interested regardless of it making sense or not.

Lmao, Vegeta is SSG but hang on he goes SSGSS the moments he attacks isn't nonsense? Toyo gave Vegeta a new form and you have cheek to throw shade at the anime?

He wrote "VERY little" for a reason..

Mate stop using logic! How dare you! Don't you know only Saiyans are allowed power boosts off screen!!

*Flawed logic

Didn't know of any Saiyan who went from SS levels to SSB ballpark by training by himself in an island..

Huge potential you say? Future Gohan had it, he trained his ass off alone and what did he achieve? Death..

Either way, Try not to completely disregard an issue which definitely exists, people aren't getting upset for nothing, you might not see it now but you will see it soon as well

[ArchedThunder]

*Flawed logic

Didn't know of any Saiyan who went from SS levels to SSB ballpark by training by himself in an island..

Huge potential you say? Future Gohan had it, he trained his ass off alone and what did he achieve? Death..
Gohan has the highest potential, future counterpart shouldn't be any different, all events upto Gohan's training and birth are the same..

Either way, Try not to completely disregard an issue which definitely exists, people aren't getting upset for nothing, you might not see it now but you will see it soon as well

No Saiyan's base power without training is massively stronger than Freeza was at 100% on Namek. 17's is.

[Ki Breaker]

*Flawed logic

Didn't know of any Saiyan who went from SS levels to SSB ballpark by training by himself in an island..

Huge potential you say? Future Gohan had it, he trained his ass off alone and what did he achieve? Death..
Gohan has the highest potential, future counterpart shouldn't be any different, all events upto Gohan's training and birth are the same..

Either way, Try not to completely disregard an issue which definitely exists, people aren't getting upset for nothing, you might not see it now but you will see it soon as well

No Saiyan's base power without training is massively stronger than Freeza was at 100% on Namek. 17's is.

He has the body of a human, his base power isn't stonger than freeza without modifications, it's the energy rectors which give him the strength he has..

We are told they have human body so they can still get stonger through training, so he trained his human part to SSB range? Alone?
Wonderful..

[ArchedThunder]

He has the body of a human, his base power isn't stonger than freeza without modifications, it's the energy rectors which give him the strength he has..

We are told they have human body so they can still get stonger through training, so he trained his human part to SSB range? Alone?
Wonderful..

Androids 17 and 18 are completely organic, their enhancements are biological, so they are human, but at a much higher level than any other human. 17 and 18's base power without training is much higher than Freeza and that isn't with mechanical help.

[Shuby]

So there seems to be a consensus that anyone who wants some sort of consistency in strength is regarded as not being a real fan of the show or annoying. But when the case represents itself so clearly , why wouldn't you expect people being vocal about it? Would you find the same enjoyment if this wasnt Dragon ball? If no, doesnt that mean your standards for this show has been set low? Or having double- standards?

Power scalling or level was bs to begin with now its turned into 11 and thats bothering people.
Imagine at the end of Buu saga you' re ssj3-tier level and shortly after that you became a god and trained with the likes of Whis for a while in your base form..... now 17 who has been training (how he trained and how he got this strong is unknown yet defenders buy into his power leap but criticize Frieza s leap....ok) training probably all by his own and yet was able to not only push Goku in his base form but also in his ssj form to the point Goku had to transform into his blue form and guess what 17 was still holding back ooh but lets convienently ignore this and say only Goku was the only one holding back.
And lets not forget base Vegeta tanking ssj 3 Gotenks.

So how strong is 17 and how did he get so strong? If you dont know then why are you defending something you yourself have no answers to? And if the broken power scalling does not bother you why do you then bother with people who clearly do? People are vocal about because it keeps happening time and time again.

2) ssb is losing its charm by Goku spamming it.
self explanatory

[namekiansaiyan]

He has the body of a human, his base power isn't stonger than freeza without modifications, it's the energy rectors which give him the strength he has..

We are told they have human body so they can still get stonger through training, so he trained his human part to SSB range? Alone?
Wonderful..

Androids 17 and 18 are completely organic, their enhancements are biological, so they are human, but at a much higher level than any other human. 17 and 18's base power without training is much higher than Freeza and that isn't with mechanical help.

What kind of training could Android17 have done to get this strong? Future Trunks who had been constantly training in the future was nowhere near as strong as 17 is now when he arrived at the start of the last arc.

17 getting this strong compared to the rest is just inconsistent. Everyone including Goku might as well just give up if 17 can get this strong while others don't.

[ArchedThunder]

What kind of training could Android17 have done to get this strong? Future Trunks who had been constantly training in the future was nowhere near as strong as 17 is now when he arrived at the start of the last arc.

17 getting this strong compared to the rest is just inconsistent. Everyone including Goku might as well just give up if 17 can get this strong while others don't.

Bench pressing mountains?

[KentalSSJ6]

People really do seem to forget just how obscenely powerful and effective Geros modifications were on 17 and 18. Prior to being abducted, they were simple human punks with a power level of perhaps no more than 2-5 if not even 1. Goku with Super Saiyan was 150 million on Namek, not even taking into consideration any gains he made training on Yardrat and the years spent preparing for the Cyborgs and yet Geros work put two brats on a level BEYOND even that.

I have no problem believing that if 17 has been training, hed be on a level capable of participating in the upcoming tournament. Not to mention Goku using SSGSS is smart. Hes already fought firsthand some of the combatants and has a very real idea of what they will be seeing once the tournament begins. If the members of his universes team cant push him to SSGSS in one way or another, they have no business coming along especially with the knowledge that his universe is now the weakest of the universes participating.

[namekiansaiyan]

What kind of training could Android17 have done to get this strong? Future Trunks who had been constantly training in the future was nowhere near as strong as 17 is now when he arrived at the start of the last arc.

17 getting this strong compared to the rest is just inconsistent. Everyone including Goku might as well just give up if 17 can get this strong while others don't.

Bench pressing mountains?

So that mean I am right, Yes?

If the characters in episode 88 and 89 get a lot more stonger then I won't care why he is this strong.

[ArchedThunder]

So that mean I am right, Yes?

If the characters in episode 88 and 89 get a lot more stonger then I won't care why he is this strong.

No, what I'm saying is that we don't really know what he does to train, he could have bought some ridiculously heavy stuff to lift or just improvise by doing goofy shit like benching a mountain. I don't think the fact that we haven't seen how he trains is any reason to call bullshit on his power.

[Ki Breaker]

He has the body of a human, his base power isn't stonger than freeza without modifications, it's the energy rectors which give him the strength he has..

We are told they have human body so they can still get stonger through training, so he trained his human part to SSB range? Alone?
Wonderful..

Androids 17 and 18 are completely organic, their enhancements are biological, so they are human, but at a much higher level than any other human. 17 and 18's base power without training is much higher than Freeza and that isn't with mechanical help.

I said they are at that level with modifications, their energy reactors are modifications, organic but still artificial..
He wasn't strong when he was having only the human body which he is supposed to have trained..
We are specifically told they are human so they can still get stronger, nowhere does it state their energy reactors can be trained to get more powerful..
Their human bodies can't give them as much power as he does have right now, it's not possible

[ArchedThunder]

I said they are at that level with modifications, their energy reactors are modifications, organic but still artificial..
He wasn't strong when he was having only the human body which he is supposed to have trained..
We are specifically told they are human so they can still get stronger, nowhere does it state their energy reactors can be trained to get more powerful..
Their human bodies can't give them as much power as he does have right now, it's not possible

He's not a normal human, his strength comes from the fact that he is bio-organically upgraded, don't think of him as a regular human, think of him as a genetically modified superhuman.
The infinite energy reactor just gives them infinite energy and stamina.
The "They are still human" thing just means they aren't robots. Don't forget that human doesn't mean the same thing in Japanese as it does in English. Goku is human and so is Freeza.

[Neon Z]

Lmao, Vegeta is SSG but hang on he goes SSGSS the moments he attacks isn't nonsense? Toyo gave Vegeta a new form and you have cheek to throw shade at the anime?

It's an explanation for why he powered up out of this RoSaT training when previously it was said that they wouldn't gain much even training 3 years there (remember back in the U6 arc? It was in the anime too). It's the exact opposite of "nonsense".

[Ki Breaker]

I said they are at that level with modifications, their energy reactors are modifications, organic but still artificial..
He wasn't strong when he was having only the human body which he is supposed to have trained..
We are specifically told they are human so they can still get stronger, nowhere does it state their energy reactors can be trained to get more powerful..
Their human bodies can't give them as much power as he does have right now, it's not possible

He's not a normal human, his strength comes from the fact that he is bio-organically upgraded, don't think of him as a regular human, think of him as a genetically modified superhuman.
The infinite energy reactor just gives them infinite energy and stamina.
The "They are still human" thing just means they aren't robots. Don't forget that human doesn't mean the same thing in Japanese as it does in English.

It might not mean the same thing but the line "he is still human" implys to his previous body..
The infinite energy is what makes them strong, they don't have ki to sense because it's all from the reactor, that's the job it has, reactors are meant to give power..

There is no going around the fact we were told his human parts can still get him stronger and now suddenly those very parts got him to god levels

[Guesswhoo]

Why people are directly assuming that C17 is God level or even close ? Can't we wait for the tournament to make conclusion ?
If you complain, complain about legit problem like SSB being casually used despite being Goku strongest transformation to date.

[KentalSSJ6]

Why people are directly assuming that C17 is God level or even close ? Can't we wait for the tournament to make conclusion ?
If you complain, complain about legit problem like SSB being casually used despite being Goku strongest transformation to date.

Because merchandising.

[Neon Z]

Why people are directly assuming that C17 is God level or even close ? Can't we wait for the tournament to make conclusion ?
If you complain, complain about legit problem like SSB being casually used despite being Goku strongest transformation to date.

SSB is obviously being thrown around because they'll introduce a new transformation. The issue here is that they're failing to justify the use of SSB. I think with a few tweak the same scenarios could have happened without nearly as many complaints.