Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by emperior » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:29 am

Awesome looking and animated episode.
I'm not much of a Tate fan (mainly because his work is usually off-model because he's rushed) but when he delivers, I love him. Vegeta vs Hit is in factone of my favorite battle from Super and this one was even better.

I'm extremely happy to see Super in such a state. It's now been 9 episodes straight of consistently good and good looking episodes. This arc is incredibly good as of now, both animation and story wise.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by dhaval_dongre » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:34 am

ArchedThunder wrote:
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Moreover all of the weakest parts were servicable and nothing awful. Plus the art and post processing have been really good, obviously with the exception of Kitano's parts.
Eh, we've still had bits and pieces that I would call awful, there were a few shots in episodes 79, 80, 81 and 82 that weren't Kitano that were pretty bad, but they were not long at all and didn't really reflect the quality of those episodes as a whole.

I do wonder if we'll see Yamamuro on an episode any time soon, he's returned to the show in the same capacity he used to have, supervising the opening and now doing the current ending. If he does show up on an episode I wonder if it will be to just do animation like he did for 39 or if it will be to supervise. His supervision of The Future Trunks special and the current opening are actually pretty good and his art and direction in the ED are pretty good too, so I'd be fine either way as long as he keeps it up and doesn't slip back into old habits.
Regarding the serviceable parts I meant the fights. Should have phrased that better.
Regarding Yamamuro's return I don't think he would. And I think it would be great if he doesn't, because Tsuji and Ide are doing a good job. The latest episode is a good example of that. This was the most Tateistic that I have seen Tate be in Super. I really don't think Tate would have that kind of freedom under Yamamuro. Plus the OP with the exception of the initial Vegeta, Goku and Gohan shots didn't even felt like Yamamuro. So I even wonder if he was heavily involved in the OP.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:41 am

dhaval_dongre wrote: Regarding the serviceable parts I meant the fights. Should have phrased that better.
Even then there are some parts of the fights in those episodes that aren't good, but they're brief. An example would be when Basil is kicking Buu in the head after Buu stretched his arms out in the first half of 79.
dhaval_dongre wrote:Regarding Yamamuro's return I don't think he would. And I think it would be great if he doesn't, because Tsuji and Ide are doing a good job. The latest episode is a good example of that. This was the most Tateistic that I have seen Tate be in Super. I really don't think Tate would have that kind of freedom under Yamamuro. Plus the OP with the exception of the initial Vegeta, Goku and Gohan shots didn't even felt like Yamamuro. So I even wonder if he was heavily involved in the OP.
Yamamuro's style is all over the opening, he supervised it but he didn't animate on it. See that's the thing, he seems to have changed his supervising style and doesn't completely overwrite the people he corrects anymore. There is Tate in the OP that is completely uncorrected and some Tate that is corrected but still visibly him for example.
Anyways, I wonder what artist this was.
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Part of me wants to say it's either an Ishikawa or Yokoyama correction, but for no particular reason other than it being on model.

Tsuji's 17 is cute.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:40 am

I don't know why but in general Tate is re-using scenes and storyboards from his older episodes all the time. Even in this cut his looped animation for the punches was storyboarded the same as he in the "Goku vs Vegeta in the ROSAT" fight.
I spot that through super many of his cuts re-use the same sequence from that fight. Like when Goku in his base form vs Hit used the same moves to vanish and reappear as he did with Vegeta.
I have no clue why but it would be interesting to compare these 3 cuts

Watching the show providing such quality is amazing. Heck as much as I love the show right now, I can't wait for it to end and finally learn whether this part was when the production improved and how they did it or who thought of the ways to achieve that. For a person that cares for stuff like that, Super is a treasure

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:48 am

Finally, an episode in the US arc that I enjoyed from start to finish. Best in the arc so far easily. One of the best in the series.

First off, the storyboard was great. Great use of lighting, neat angles to convey certain emotions especially the part where Gokuu reveals to #17 the purpose of the tournament. Loved it. The flow of the episode felt smooth. It didn't drag. I wonder who the actual artist is though.

The backgrounds were stunning. Bun-sun Lee is pretty good. I want more.

And, yeah Tate. He did great. He topped his work on #38 as far as I'm concerned. His lovely smeary action combined with great art direction and storyboarding produced one hell of a fight. The impact hits had so much power. Give me episodes like this more often and I won't complain!
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:00 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote: I wonder who the actual artist is though. Maybe Nakamura himself?
The storyboard artist? It was Kiyosato Yamamoto. He co-storyboarded episodes 71, 79 and 83, this is the first time he's solo storyboarded on the series.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:03 am

ArchedThunder wrote: The storyboard artist? It was Kiyosato Yamamoto. He co-storyboarded episodes 71, 79 and 83, this is the first time he's solo storyboarded on the series.
As confirmed by Wes, Yamamoto Kiyosato is a pen name. Someone in disguise is doing all this great work. I assume it is someone Nakamura has influenced.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:20 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote: The storyboard artist? It was Kiyosato Yamamoto. He co-storyboarded episodes 71, 79 and 83, this is the first time he's solo storyboarded on the series.
As confirmed by Wes, Yamamoto Kiyosato is a pen name. Someone in disguise is doing all this great work. I assume it's either Nakamura himself or someone he has influenced.
Oh, how do we know?
If it is Nakamura, why would he be working under a pen name?
I don't think it would be him, this person's first credit is episode 71 and Nakamura was credited for 75, plus why would he suddenly stop using his real name on Super? Unless we're talking about a completely different Nakamura here.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:30 am

Oh, no way to say for sure. It isn't Nakamura. You're right. It is probably someone he influenced.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by Guesswhoo » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:44 am

Is it me or they forgot to animate C17 mouth during the fight sequence ? Goku and C17 were both screaming but only Goku had some facial expression. :wtf:

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:59 am

Any idea on the artist here?
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Face is a bit wide and Jaw a bit too square to be Yokoyama. Looks kinda like a more serious version of Ishikawa's Goku from last week, so maybe him?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:42 am

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Fair play to Tsuji, actually. I was initially miffed her corrections, but watching this through, they're super subtle during all the action. She really let Tate shine. Major respect.
Good God. That was amazing. The background art for that fight was absolutely wonderful. I'm struggling to think how Tate will top that. It's just so... free-flowing and dynamic. It think this may be Super's best cut of animation yet.

The kick @ 16-18 was just so.. Satisfying.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by DragonBallFan8001 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:02 am

Tate's big cut in this episode is definitely my favourite piece of animation in the entire Dragon Ball TV series! :o The animation was extremely fluid, and all movements were wonderfully exaggerated.
ArchedThunder wrote:Any idea on the artist here?
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Face is a bit wide and Jaw a bit too square to be Yokoyama. Looks kinda like a more serious version of Ishikawa's Goku from last week, so maybe him?
Ishikawa seems like a good guess. It reminds me of some of his work too, although I do find him pretty difficult to spot at times, so I could be wrong.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:48 am

I love that this episode had lots of animation that didn't "need" to be there, but it was and the episode was better for it, like these;
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:53 am

DragonBallFan8001 wrote:Tate's big cut in this episode is definitely my favourite piece of animation in the entire Dragon Ball TV series! :o The animation was extremely fluid, and all movements were wonderfully exaggerated.
ArchedThunder wrote:Any idea on the artist here?
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
Face is a bit wide and Jaw a bit too square to be Yokoyama. Looks kinda like a more serious version of Ishikawa's Goku from last week, so maybe him?
Ishikawa seems like a good guess. It reminds me of some of his work too, although I do find him pretty difficult to spot at times, so I could be wrong.

Miyuki Yokoyama. Or at least I'm pretty sure

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:58 am

iAnimationLover_ wrote: Miyuki Yokoyama. Or at least I'm pretty sure
I dunno, her jawlines are generally steeper.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:13 am

ArchedThunder wrote:
iAnimationLover_ wrote: Miyuki Yokoyama. Or at least I'm pretty sure
I dunno, her jawlines are generally steeper.
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Who else do you think it is then?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:23 am

So is Yong-ce Tu new to Super? Or is that a different spelling for Yeong-chaek Tu?
EDIT: It's the second, whoops.
Guess it's time to study this to see if we can learn his style.
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I wonder how much he did on this episode.
iAnimationLover_ wrote:
Who else do you think it is then?
I said my guess was Ishikawa, he did some 2nd KA on this episode.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:43 am

Good episode! Great fight, I might have to replace my avi with the SSGSS transformation from this episode it really dope!

This was definitely the most beautiful episode we had so far the colours and scenery, top notch.

So Tate's next rotation will probably be the ToP then?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 84

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:46 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote: So Tate's next rotation will probably be the ToP then?
Depends on if they continue to give him at least 8 weeks for each episode and when the tournament starts.
Assuming there are no breaks and they stick to 8 weeks then his next episode will be 94, I'd assume tournament will have started by then, my money is on it starting on episode 92 or 93.

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