Baggie_Saiyan wrote:How many panels does Vegetto get then? Also did Trunks use the same Spirit Sword as the anime?
From what I saw, Vegetto appears, goes blue, attempts to fire Final Kamehameha, and defuses.
Please tell me that is a joke? Or incomplete scans? What the Hell...!
Oh, what's the matter Baggie_Saiyan? Don't tell me you're upset? Isn't you that always talk like Super as a flawless masterpiece and its issues regarding power scaling and plot consistency can always be justified because these same issues were present in Z?
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Tsufuru wrote:this is so boring tbh.
this manga is unnecessery as hell.
You're free to stop reading if you don't like it. Some of us appreciate the alternative take.
How is that is any "alternative"? It's the same sh** plot we got in the anime full of dumb retcons but this time worse with Future Trunks managing to defeat Merged Zamasu without his random rage transformation.
LightBing wrote:
Panels that are copied from the original manga. This chapter we have a reference to the Cell Arc, when Vegeta obliterated half of Cell's body with the Final Flash.
Also Merged Zamasu with a hole in his chest isn't a reference to something in Boo arc? I don't remember now
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
zamasu121 wrote:
Gowasu says that he promotes Zamasu temporarily and he gives him the potara, go read it for yourself if you don't believe me.
Ok, let's analize it. I only have mangastream version.
He says first: "Originally only supreme kais were meant to travel into the future using the time ring." So why does he say originally if it's a unbrakeable law?
Then he says: "But we can make a special exception in this case. For the time being I temporary raise your status to that of supreme Kai. " It could be a way to make it 'by the rules' but he is not a full kaioshin, not that he needs to be indispensably to use the ring.
Look, just trying to explain it. Black is not a kaioshin and if future Zamasu is, where is Rumosh?
when future Gowasu died so did he.
And you're suggesting Zamasu is a Kaioshin without a Hakaishin? You don't see any problem in that? Well, I do. There's no one without the other, as far as we know.
OLKv3 wrote:
He didn't do that against Boo. When Boo had them overwhelmed, he fused. He didn't do it against Kid Buu because he thought he could win 1v1. He later regretted it and was saying he should have fused.
Goku has pride and loves fighting, but he never put it ahead of surviving.
No that was the anime version or probably dub, in the original manga he never once mentioned that he thought he could win, he even said he didnt want to fuse because Vegeta wouldnt want to as well anyways and claims thats not how they do things, true he did regret it but that doesnt mean he was gonna fuse with him if given the chance, its just his thought that if they fused they coulda won easily, I dont see Goku as someone who prioritizes surviving, he himself didnt want to return back to the living. Theres a reason why he didnt resort to fusing with Vegeta. The first time was probably special maybe because he wanted to experience fusion and wanted to feel its power, he was curious at the time, now he isnt so much, he just gave it a thought that "lets fuse too?" and when turned down he went with the flow of "ok, theres probably another way to beat him anyways" more so if he already knew Zamasu has a timelimit as well.
He mentioned it in the manga. The only reason he didn't fuse was because Boo wasn't fused either and he thought he could win.
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mfwlegend3 wrote:From what I saw, Vegetto appears, goes blue, attempts to fire Final Kamehameha, and defuses.
Please tell me that is a joke? Or incomplete scans? What the Hell...!
Oh, what's the matter Baggie_Saiyan? Don't tell me you're upset? Isn't you that always talk like Super as a flawless masterpiece and its issues regarding power scaling and plot consistency can always be justified because these same issues were present in Z?
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Tsufuru wrote:this is so boring tbh.
this manga is unnecessery as hell.
You're free to stop reading if you don't like it. Some of us appreciate the alternative take.
How is that is any "alternative"? It's the same sh** plot we got in the anime full of dumb retcons but this time worse with Future Trunks managing to defeat Merged Zamasu without his random rage transformation.
LightBing wrote:
Panels that are copied from the original manga. This chapter we have a reference to the Cell Arc, when Vegeta obliterated half of Cell's body with the Final Flash.
Also Merged Zamasu with a hole in his chest isn't a reference to something in Boo arc? I don't remember now
Basako wrote:
Ok, let's analize it. I only have mangastream version.
He says first: "Originally only supreme kais were meant to travel into the future using the time ring." So why does he say originally if it's a unbrakeable law?
Then he says: "But we can make a special exception in this case. For the time being I temporary raise your status to that of supreme Kai. " It could be a way to make it 'by the rules' but he is not a full kaioshin, not that he needs to be indispensably to use the ring.
Look, just trying to explain it. Black is not a kaioshin and if future Zamasu is, where is Rumosh?
when future Gowasu died so did he.
And you're suggesting Zamasu is a Kaioshin without a Hakaishin? You don't see any problem in that? Well, I do. There's no one without the other, as far as we know.
Yes thats what I'm saying, they never said that if a god of destruction dies the kaioshin also dies, though they are implying that one can't live without the other.
zamasu121 wrote:though they are implying that one can't live without the other.
Where are they implying that? The only thing we know is that if a Hakaishin dies, his angel gets deactivated. There's no mention about what happens to Kaioshins.
MisteryOne wrote:When did Trunks defeat Merged Zamasu in this chapter?
Mate, if you're going only to awnser one setence of what I just said you can erase the rest. It's not that hard to edit your own posts. Please, avoid derrailing the thread and get users with unnecessary double notifications.
About your question:
mfwlegend3 wrote:I've read enough raws to know it's mainly the same as what went down in the anime.
Trunks taking the final kill will be even more retarded now, because he doesn't have SSRage.
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Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Oh, I guess I was wrong. i really thought he go the Gogeta route oh well. I underestimated Toyotaro. The one hour rule is still in. Alright, I guess this mean Tori wants to be done with fusion because there is no reason to use it now.
I didn't give a shit when it happened in the anime, same in the manga.
What is not alright is Zamasu having that same weakness. Black is not very strong in this manga. There is nothing to fear from him.
Trunks also can't be useful here without some weird ass powerup that will now seem out of nowhere even more so than the anime.
Toyotaro may have just made this a whole lot worse.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Are you guys seriously upset by the fact Vegetto defuses in the manga too? Are you really upset, once again, by the retcon?
Noah wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Tsufuru wrote:this is so boring tbh.
this manga is unnecessery as hell.
You're free to stop reading if you don't like it. Some of us appreciate the alternative take.
How is that is any "alternative"? It's the same sh** plot we got in the anime full of dumb retcons but this time worse with Future Trunks managing to defeat Merged Zamasu without his random rage transformation.
I always see you complaining about Super in every single possible way, why are you even watching it if it's so shit for you?
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Additional lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daima
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