Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:17 pm

Less evil, yes, but nonetheless, he was Piccolo Daimao reincarnated. That's why Kami-sama didn't die when the original Piccolo Daimao died. I really don't see how he could be less of a demon.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:00 am

Well... Piccolo Daimao's body was created to house pure evil. Piccolo Jr's body was created to prevent that essence from dying, but it was created naturally, and the anime showed him growing up and such... so while he still had that pure evil spirit, his body was pure Namekian (as opposed to almost artificial for Daimao), so he became susceptible to changes in character. So in becoming more of a natural being rather than the embodiment of evil, he lost his demon status.

Well, at least that's what I thought of on the fly. Maybe Piccolo just got a hold of some bad cucumbers and had to have his demonicity removed by an underground surgeon.

The only thing that really made me think Cell went SSJ was the auras in UB22 in the Goku Vs Cell cutscene. And my dad suggested that Cell went SSJ based on the auras in the anime. And... stuff. Maybe Cell could draw on SSJ power? Which begs the question, was he less powerful when not drawing on the ... ssj technique?

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:41 am

Tyro wrote:Kami-sama and Mr. Popo were surprised Raditz' soul actually went to judgment, therefore he is part demon in some way.

That doesn't mean he was part demon. That just means they were suprised Raditz's soul wasn't in limbo. Considering at this point no one knew Piccolo was Namekian there's no reason for them to assume he's not a demon and demon = limbo, hence the suprise.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:22 am

The way I've always seen it is that even though Cell is partially made of Saiya-jin DNA, he's made of a lot of other types of DNA which mixed in a way to create a completely new creature. So, I don't view him as "this much Saiya-jin" and "that much" other races. He's just a freakish genetic experiment/monster that spawned from genetic manipulation from DNA samples of various characters.

If he really were "part this" and "part that" then it would be a lot more apparent in his appearance from the very beginning. I mean, I doubt that any of the characters that Cell got his DNA from ever went through insect-like stages of growth.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:21 pm

Xyex wrote:That doesn't mean he was part demon. That just means they were suprised Raditz's soul wasn't in limbo. Considering at this point no one knew Piccolo was Namekian there's no reason for them to assume he's not a demon and demon = limbo, hence the suprise.

Piccolo is Piccolo Daimao reincarnated. The same being, only one is more evil than the other. Does that mean one is more demon than the other? I don't really think so.

Dragon Ball Daisuki · Post by **Dragon Ball Daisuki** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:02 am

On the original topic --> We're all crazy genetic freakshows. Cell just has an extremely varied heritage. I really see him as being no different than Son Gohan... he was born with one score of Saiya-jin blood instead of two, so what? We still consider Gohan a Saiya-jin, when it comes to transformations. Having human blood diluted in there doesn't seem to bother us. And if Gohan was the bizarre bastard-son of some absurd generation-spanning cross-breeding experiment between Saiya-jins, Namek-sei-jins, humans, and whatever the hell Freeza is... I'm betting we wouldn't have a problem then either.

No, Cell's hair doesn't change colors because HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY HAIR. So he can't be a SSJ in the sense that Nappa can't. But all the other physical changes are all there. Though I suppose a lack of eye-color change only serves to confuse things...

On the sub-topic regarding Piccolo --> he started out as, not just a clone, but as Piccolo Daimao himself. His soul in a fresh body. That's it. But between human understanding ala Son Gohan and the revelation that he's actually an extraterrestrial (sorta throws a wrench in your 'Demonk King' complex, huh?) his priorities shifted, and he became more interested in other things seeing as how he would never surpass Goku,

Ambition is the seat of evil, in my book, and Piccolo simply lost his ambition. Though, since he hadn't killed anyone in his "Junior" state before Raditz, we'll never know for sure...!

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:34 am

Tyro wrote:
Xyex wrote:That doesn't mean he was part demon. That just means they were suprised Raditz's soul wasn't in limbo. Considering at this point no one knew Piccolo was Namekian there's no reason for them to assume he's not a demon and demon = limbo, hence the suprise.
Piccolo is Piccolo Daimao reincarnated. The same being, only one is more evil than the other. Does that mean one is more demon than the other? I don't really think so.

Piccolo was never a true demon to begin with. Yes, he was the 'evil half' of Kami, but he was never really a demon in the first place. He was just evil, and evil =/= demon.

NativeGirl · Post by **NativeGirl** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:23 pm

Dr.Gero said that he has collected the cells of the Z warriors when they were fighting Vegeta and Nappa....So at this time they were NO Super Saiyans....
So Cell was created with saiyans cells but not super saiyans ones...
So he is not a Super Saiyan in my opinion....That's what I understand.
Am I right?

SuperVegito17 · Post by **SuperVegito17** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:07 am

He is definitely not a Super Saiyan...and ofcourse not a Saiyan...

Well, think like this, monkeys have a lot of DNA in common with us, but does that mean we are monkeys..no, we are completely different species. Just like that, Cell is different, but seems to have similar characteristic like that of Saiyans, because of the DNA, but DEFINITELY NOT a Saiyan

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:07 am

NativeGirl wrote:Dr.Gero said that he has collected the cells of the Z warriors when they were fighting Vegeta and Nappa....So at this time they were NO Super Saiyans....
So Cell was created with saiyans cells but not super saiyans ones...
So he is not a Super Saiyan in my opinion....That's what I understand.
Am I right?

Well, just because they weren't Super Saiya-jins at the time the DNA was extracted doesn't mean the power couldn't have been activated sometime after in those cells. We don't know what changes Gero may have done, or the computer that was managing Cell's growth, or what effect the likes of Namekian and Changeling DNA could have had on the Saiya-jin cells either.

He is definitely not a Super Saiyan...and ofcourse not a Saiyan...

Well, think like this, monkeys have a lot of DNA in common with us, but does that mean we are monkeys..no, we are completely different species. Just like that, Cell is different, but seems to have similar characteristic like that of Saiyans, becoz of the DNZ, but DEFINITELY NOT a Saiyan

Using cousin species as a comparison sample for a hybrid doesn't work. They're different concepts and principles. If somone is part Japanese, part French, part Spanish, and part American we don't consider them a new class of person. They're just a hybrid of the four groups. Cell's the same way.

Post by **TripleRach** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:11 pm

NativeGirl wrote:Dr.Gero said that he has collected the cells of the Z warriors when they were fighting Vegeta and Nappa....So at this time they were NO Super Saiyans....
So Cell was created with saiyans cells but not super saiyans ones...
So he is not a Super Saiyan in my opinion....That's what I understand.
Am I right?

You could say the same thing about Gohan. Hell, you could say the same thing about Gokuu and Vegeta, too. Having any Saiya-jin DNA at all is apparently all it takes. Cell is 2/5th Saiya-jin, which is not much less than Gohan. It's also a higher percentage than Pan has (1/4th), and yet her great grandson is able to go SSJ.

SSJ is not just an ability like Kamehameha or Genkidama. It's a transformation that can be achieved by any strong person with Saiya-jin blood. It's like their power boost from healing after critical injuries, or Piccolo's ability to regenerate. Genetic traits, which Cell is more than capable of inheriting.

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:17 pm

TripleRach wrote:It's also a higher percentage than Pan has (1/8th), and yet her great grandson is able to go SSJ.

Isn't Pan 1/4th Saiya-Jin?

Post by **TripleRach** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:47 pm

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
TripleRach wrote:It's also a higher percentage than Pan has (1/8th), and yet her great grandson is able to go SSJ.
Isn't Pan 1/4th Saiya-Jin?

D'oh, you're right. Brain fart.

*edits*

SuperVegito17 · Post by **SuperVegito17** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:23 am

Xyex wrote: Using cousin species as a comparison sample for a hybrid doesn't work. They're different concepts and principles. If somone is part Japanese, part French, part Spanish, and part American we don't consider them a new class of person. They're just a hybrid of the four groups. Cell's the same way.

Well, using a racial hybrid in comparison with Cell, also must not work, as Cell is comprised of not just Earthlings and Saiyans, but also totally different species like Frieza, hence making him a new SPECIES not a RACE. Plus, surely Dr.Gero manipulated his genes himself also, to give him certain capabilities like absorption, perfection etc.. So he can be considered to be of a different species altogether but with some similar DNA, just like monkeys and Humans.