"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[The gr]

Ah, the reactions from people to the new chapter....

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Merged zamasu infusing,is strange considering the Anime didn't went with that route

[TheMikado]

Wait a minute... Merged Zamasu has a time limit? What?!?! So how the hell did Old Kaioshin stay fused with the old witch? At least the anime hand-waved by stating that potara fusion is permanent when Kaioshin are involved. This sounds like a plot hole. I'm expecting an explanation for this, but it better be a good one. I'm expecting Toyotaro to retcon the old witch that Old Kaioshin fused actually being a Kaioshin. Even though that would not make a lot of sense considering she's a witch.

The loophole is that Zamasu is not a Kaioshin proper as he was never official promoted. The potato earrings seem to grant the ability to use the time rings so anyone mortal or god can get wear them and not technically hold the position of Kaioshin.

Edit: just realized I called them potato earrings, well given the recent retcons they're about as useful as potatoes.

[Basako]

Wait a minute... Merged Zamasu has a time limit? What?!?! So how the hell did Old Kaioshin stay fused with the old witch? At least the anime hand-waved by stating that potara fusion is permanent when Kaioshin are involved. This sounds like a plot hole. I'm expecting an explanation for this, but it better be a good one. I'm expecting Toyotaro to retcon the old witch that Old Kaioshin fused actually being a Kaioshin. Even though that would not make a lot of sense considering she's a witch.

Yeah, we commented that too. Maybe because he was the kaioshin in the time he fused, that made it permanet. That or plothole, you choose.

[OLKv3]

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Merged zamasu infusing,is strange considering the Anime didn't went with that route

Didn't they? We were always wondering wtf was up with his purple goo breakdown

[ekrolo2]

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Merged zamasu infusing,is strange considering the Anime didn't went with that route

Didn't they? We were always wondering wtf was up with his purple goo breakdown

The degradation remains one of the stupidest things I've seen in the new material. Saying a combination of Zamasu & Black isn't immortal because one of them is vulnerable is like saying Vegetto can't use IT because one of the fingers needed for it is from Vegeta who doesn't know it or Vegetto not being able to use the Kaio-Ken because Vegeta can't.

If the anime staff grasped the concept of continuity, Mai's energy bullet hitting Black would've dented the earring (they even zoom in on it) thus making the potara faulty and their fusion by extension because of it.

[kinisking]

Wait a minute... Merged Zamasu has a time limit? What?!?! So how the hell did Old Kaioshin stay fused with the old witch? At least the anime hand-waved by stating that potara fusion is permanent when Kaioshin are involved. This sounds like a plot hole. I'm expecting an explanation for this, but it better be a good one. I'm expecting Toyotaro to retcon the old witch that Old Kaioshin fused actually being a Kaioshin. Even though that would not make a lot of sense considering she's a witch.

You only need one half to be a God. That's why Kibito + Kaioshin worked and Old Kaioshin + Witch. Neither Zamasu and Black are Gods.

Zamasu is a god, he's just not a Kaioshin. Remember, he was a Kaio before. I don't know how I feel about merged Zamasu defusing though.

Ekrolo, those analogies are absolutely horrendous. There are differences between attacks and biological makeup. Merged Zamasu has a different biological make up than Zamasu because he's half black. If fusions are able to look different than their fusees, then it means their biological make up is different. What's stupid is the purple goo.

[Dbzfan94]

People are bitching about Super being bad now??

It never was that good, idk what you guys were expecting.

[Basako]

The degradation remains one of the stupidest things I've seen in the new material. Saying a combination of Zamasu & Black isn't immortal because one of them is vulnerable is like saying Vegetto can't use IT because one of the fingers needed for it is from Vegeta who doesn't know it or Vegetto not being able to use the Kaio-Ken because Vegeta can't.

If the anime staff grasped the concept of continuity, Mai's energy bullet hitting Black would've dented the earring (they even zoom in on it) thus making the potara faulty and their fusion by extension because of it.

What I didn't like was the two face thing. The fusions are not the left side from one and the right from the other, they are like mixed. I don't see why only half of him melted. Well, better if he doesn't melt at all, the idea of the defusion is growing fine on me. We'll see.

[kinisking]

We had vague statements in the anime about this, but to have a somewhat definitive answer/direct comparison to Vegetto's power against Beerus' is great. Hope it's accurate.

This is as vague as ever. He says "perhaps " for a reason. Besides, this is freaking supreme Kai. His word means less than Beerus'.

[The gr]

People are complaining about Super being bad now??

It never was that good, idk what you guys were expecting.

Something decent and watchable, that's all I ask

[Lord Beerus]

Just to quickly clarify, is reason for Merged Zamasu defusing because neither Zamasu or Goku Black are Kaioshin or because neither of them are Kai's? Because being a Kai and a Kaioshin are two different ranks. And as far as I know, Zamasu was at the very least a Kai and was then temporarily promoted to Kaioshin to use the time rings and time travel. I mean, I can live with Potara retcon, but it kind seems like a bit of bigger retcon compared to what the anime pulled.

I think it safe to say Toriyama should have just went with Gogeta and spare us this mess.

EDIT: I hope the manga isn't vague about this and just state because neither Zamasu or Goku are "Gods", that Merged Zamasu defused because of that. Because then that would technically be a plothole as Zamasu is technically a God. A lower ranked God but still technically a God.

[Araki]

Wait a minute... Merged Zamasu has a time limit? What?!?! So how the hell did Old Kaioshin stay fused with the old witch? At least the anime hand-waved by stating that potara fusion is permanent when Kaioshin are involved. This sounds like a plot hole. I'm expecting an explanation for this, but it better be a good one. I'm expecting Toyotaro to retcon the old witch that Old Kaioshin fused actually being a Kaioshin. Even though that would not make a lot of sense considering she's a witch.

You only need one half to be a God. That's why Kibito + Kaioshin worked and Old Kaioshin + Witch. Neither Zamasu and Black are Gods.

Zamasu is a god, he's just not a Kaioshin. Remember, he was a Kaio before. I don't know how I feel about merged Zamasu defusing though.

Ekrolo, those analogies are absolutely horrendous. There are differences between attacks and biological makeup. Merged Zamasu has a different biological make up than Zamasu because he's half black. If fusions are able to look different than their fusees, then it means their biological make up is different. What's stupid is the purple goo.

Didn't you get the memo? Let's just forget the fact Zamasu IS a God to cover up yet another Toyotaro bullshit.
And i agree, those analogies were among the worst i ever seen.

[MisteryOne]

Vegetto being so moron is extremely forced if you ask me.

You only need one half to be a God. That's why Kibito + Kaioshin worked and Old Kaioshin + Witch. Neither Zamasu and Black are Gods.

Zamasu is a god, he's just not a Kaioshin. Remember, he was a Kaio before. I don't know how I feel about merged Zamasu defusing though.

Ekrolo, those analogies are absolutely horrendous. There are differences between attacks and biological makeup. Merged Zamasu has a different biological make up than Zamasu because he's half black. If fusions are able to look different than their fusees, then it means their biological make up is different. What's stupid is the purple goo.

Didn't you get the memo? Let's just forget the fact Zamasu IS a God to cover up yet another Toyotaro bullshit.
And i agree, those analogies were among the worst i ever seen.

And as always, people hating without even knowing whats going on...

Being a god=/=being a Kaioshin. Why is it so difficult to understand? Zamasu never became a Kaioshin oficially. The chapter is pretty clear at that.

[OLKv3]

Zamasu is not and never was a Kaioshin.

[Basako]

Just to quickly clarify, is reason for Merged Zamasu defusing because neither Zamasu or Goku Black are Kaioshin or because neither of them are Kai's? Because being a Kai and Kaioshin are two different ranks. And as far as I know, Zamasu was at the very least a Kai and was then temporarily promoted to Kaioshin to use the time rings and time travel. I mean, I can live with Potara retcon, but it kind seems like a bit of bigger retcon compared than what the anime pulled.

I think it safe to say Toriyama should have just went with Gogeta and spare us this mess.

Ok, about the temporarily. In context looks like there is a rule that only Kaioshins are supposed to time travel to the future, so he raises him like to not to break the rule. And think about it, if it was indispensable to be a Kaioshin to use the ring, and that time was temporary, then he wasn't a Kaioshin the next time as Black, but he could. Meaning, to use the ring it's not necessary to be a Kaioshin, although there is a rule, but to wear a Potara.

I think Zamasu said he had already a successor as Kai, so, technically, he is not, if it matters. He is not a Kaioshin either, he was an apprentice, now not even that, with Gowasu gone.

[LightBing]

Zamasu is a god, he's just not a Kaioshin. Remember, he was a Kaio before. I don't know how I feel about merged Zamasu defusing though.

My mistake. Thanks for the correction.

[FortuneSSJ]

Game Over Gogeta fans!
And looks like Vegetto's diffuse came from Toriyama. This is gonna be hilarious. I need to read the full chapter.

Merged Zamasu is a Kaioshin by the way. If he diffuses Toyotaro just created a plot hole.
I will talk more about his later when I read the whole thing.

I knew it, Vegetto using the his ki sword too. I love it! That wasn't in the anime.

Yes, it was:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[TheMathemagician]

Vegetto's a moron. We had 2 chapters of them explaining how draining SSB is. Vegetto should have just used the SSG to SSB trick to fight instead of using Blue. Of course he got defused.

Yeah, that is pretty moronic of him if that's really how it is.

[Basako]

Game Over Gogeta fans!
And looks like Vegetto's diffuse came from Toriyama. This is gonna be hilarious. I need to read the full chapter.

Merged Zamasu is a Kaioshin by the way. If he diffuses Toyotaro just created a plot hole.
I will talk more about his later when I read the whole thing.

No, he hasn't created any plothole, neither Black or Zamasu are Kaioshins.

I knew it, Vegetto using the his ki sword too. I love it! That wasn't in the anime.

Yes, it was:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

You got me there.

[OLKv3]

Game Over Gogeta fans!
And looks like Vegetto's diffuse came from Toriyama. This is gonna be hilarious. I need to read the full chapter.

Merged Zamasu is a Kaioshin by the way. If he diffuses Toyotaro just created a plot hole.
I will talk more about his later when I read the whole thing.

I knew it, Vegetto using the his ki sword too. I love it! That wasn't in the anime.

Yes, it was:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Merged Zamasu isn't a Kaioshin