"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

There's zero chance Toei throw away a Toriyama design.

SSJ Black says hi.

Toriyama said Black could go SSJ, he never made a design for it.

[TheMikado]

There's zero chance Toei throw away a Toriyama design.

SSJ Black says hi.

Toriyama said Black could go SSJ, he never made a design for it.

He wrote it right in his design. Toei decided his note wasn't important and ignored it. I'm pretty sure you can't say there's zero chance Toei didn't decide to go in another direction with any design.

[ArchedThunder]

SSJ Black says hi.

Toriyama said Black could go SSJ, he never made a design for it.

He wrote it right in his design. Toei decided his note wasn't important and ignored it. I'm pretty sure you can't say there's zero chance Toei didn't decide to go in another direction with any design.

They didn't throw out a design he made, Toriyama simply wrote that he could go SSJ. His outline might have never even mentioned SSJ. There was no change to a design there, they just didn't use a random tidbit he wrote down.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

There's zero chance Toei throw away a Toriyama design.

SSJ Black says hi.

Not really the same thing. They didn't throw out the design, they just skipped the transformation, rendering it null.

[AlexJunin]

There's zero chance Toei throw away a Toriyama design.

SSJ Black says hi.

Actually he did the design of the SS Rosé

[kinisking]

There's zero chance Toei throw away a Toriyama design.

SSJ Black says hi.

Toriyama never even drew ssj black, this is a completely different thing.

I feel like the only reason they didn't do ssj black was so that the audience could distinguish Goku and Goku black easier when they fought.

[TheMathemagician]

There's zero chance Toei throw away a Toriyama design.

SSJ Black says hi.

Toriyama never even drew ssj black, this is a completely different thing.

I feel like the only reason they didn't do ssj black was so that the audience could distinguish Goku and Goku black easier when they fought.

Couldn't they have just distinguished Goku and Black from their clothes?

[Sodhi]

if they couldn't even change FT's blue hair. There is 0% chance they will change a whole design. All the designs we have seen from toriyama have made it into the anime. As for ssj black, I am certain that anime skipped it just becasue there was no design of him from toriyama.

[dbzfan7]

if they couldn't even change FT's blue hair. There is 0% chance they will change a whole design. All the designs we have seen from toriyama have made it into the anime. As for ssj black, I am certain that anime skipped it just becasue there was no design of him from toriyama.

Must have taken too much thought to figure out what he'd look like.

[kinisking]

SSJ Black says hi.

Toriyama never even drew ssj black, this is a completely different thing.

I feel like the only reason they didn't do ssj black was so that the audience could distinguish Goku and Goku black easier when they fought.

Couldn't they have just distinguished Goku and Black from their clothes?

They could've, but I don't think they wanted to take any chances. Kind of how Toriyama decided to not make SSB white because of the " next enemy " (it was never confirmed if it was Freeza or Zamasu although most people think it was Freeza ). In that case, they didn't even have the same face or clothes.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

if they couldn't even change FT's blue hair. There is 0% chance they will change a whole design. All the designs we have seen from toriyama have made it into the anime. As for ssj black, I am certain that anime skipped it just becasue there was no design of him from toriyama.

Who says they couldn't have? Saying they couldn't just because they didn't isn't a very sound base for any further assumptions.

[MisteryOne]

There is no excuse about not adding SS Black from a design perspective. Not only his clothes are way different from Goku's one, but also it's just common sense Goku and him would never fight in the same SS forms at the same time because of Black's base being stronger. So either SS3 Goku vs a heavely supresed SS Black or SSB vs SS Black. If they didn't add it, it was becaise they just didn't feel like it for whatever reason (they might even just forgotten that note), but definetly not from a design perspective, at least if they were consistent with power levels. Hell, SS Black could even have only appeared in thay part when Vegeta SSB starts punching him until he notices that something is wrong.

[Sodhi]

Who says they couldn't have? Saying they couldn't just because they didn't isn't a very sound base for any further assumptions.

He was already an established character though. It's not like it would have taken much effort to make FT look like his older self. They just didn't have the balls to do it. Unless they forgot what FT is supposed to look like, which I doubt since they used a kai flashback.

Must have taken too much thought to figure out what he'd look like.

I don't know what you are talking about, they never even used ssj black design.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Who says they couldn't have? Saying they couldn't just because they didn't isn't a very sound base for any further assumptions.

He was already an established character though. It's not like it would have taken much effort to make FT look like his older self. They just didn't have the balls to do it. Unless they forgot what FT is supposed to look like, which I doubt since they used a kai flashback.

Or maybe they just didn't want to? Maybe that's not what they were going for? To say that they "didn't have the balls" to do something just because you wanted them to isn't a very sound assumption, either.

[Sodhi]

I would have agreed if this was not the status quo in Super. Mai, Trunks, and all the new characters looks exactly like his design. So I don't see how my assumption is not sound. You can be right and I can be completely wrong, but I am going by events so far.

[dbzfan7]

Must have taken too much thought to figure out what he'd look like.

I don't know what you are talking about, they never even used ssj black design.

I am saying they don't need a design from Toriyama to do SSJ Goku Black. It's been around for like over 20 years. I'm joking that I doubt it was a design choice, but rather a narrative one probably.

[TheMikado]

Toriyama said Black could go SSJ, he never made a design for it.

He wrote it right in his design. Toei decided his note wasn't important and ignored it. I'm pretty sure you can't say there's zero chance Toei didn't decide to go in another direction with any design.

They didn't throw out a design he made, Toriyama simply wrote that he could go SSJ. His outline might have never even mentioned SSJ. There was no change to a design there, they just didn't use a random tidbit he wrote down.

That's much more than just a random tidbit. It's like finding out Vegeta could go SSJ3 all this time even though he surpassed it with blue. It's part of the lore and it was ignored and not referenced at all. The point I'm making is let's quit acting like Toei is following Toriyama to the letter. I know you're referencing design, but the idea that Toei has zero chance of changing a character design is hyperbole at best.

[Beerus-sama]

I think the SSJ he was refering to was Rosé and not normal SSJ, since after he says Black can also transform into SSJ like Goku, he says in the same sentence that he transforms in a SSJ whose color is slightly different than Goku's.
Also, notice how all that japanese text is pointing to Rosé in the design. If he was refering also to normal SSJ then there should have been a respective design as well, me thinks...

[MisteryOne]

I think the SSJ he was refering to was Rosé and not normal SSJ, since after he says Black can also transform into SSJ like Goku, he says in the same sentence that he transforms in a SSJ whose color is slightly different than Goku's.
Also, notice how all that japanese text is pointing to Rosé in the design. If he was refering also to normal SSJ then there should have been a respective design as well, me thinks...

This has been talked about a lot of times. The text is pretty clear and it speaks about TWO forms: SS and a «SS with a slightly different colour from Goku's».

Why would they need a design for SS Black? Its extremely obvious how he looks.

[Beerus-sama]

I think the SSJ he was refering to was Rosé and not normal SSJ, since after he says Black can also transform into SSJ like Goku, he says in the same sentence that he transforms in a SSJ whose color is slightly different than Goku's.
Also, notice how all that japanese text is pointing to Rosé in the design. If he was refering also to normal SSJ then there should have been a respective design as well, me thinks...

This has been talked about a lot of times. The text is pretty clear and it speaks about TWO forms: SS and a «SS with a slightly different colour from Goku's».

Why would they need a design for SS Black? Its extremely obvious how he looks.

Sorry, just analysed the text again and I wasn't aware of the たり　(tari) termination in japanese (still learning ), so I just thought the text was talking about the same form.

Either way, maybe its obvious but you could still put it there just to show the form.