"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[SansrivaaL]

Why didnt he just call himself God Vegito, woulda been more awesome. Blue Vegeto sounds bad....

[Ki Breaker]

Why didnt he just call himself God Vegito, woulda been more awesome. Blue Vegeto sounds bad....

Then we will be having arguments if vegetto is a true God, if his version of SSG is SSB looking, if two SSG's fusion results in SSB, "why name it god when they easily could say blue! This must mean something right?... Right??"

[HeroR]

I love how these 2 dumbasses tries to go in and out of fighting Merged Zamasu 1v1, its funny how Toyo drew them as well
I really prefer this version.

I have to prefer the anime since Goku and Vegeta actually worked together. Best part, they did it so seamlessly that neither one of the realized that they finally took Whis' advise. It actually seemed they learned their lesson from Resurrection 'F', even if there is no acknowledgement of it.

Here, like you said, they're dumbasses. I mean, it funny, but dumbasses.

Why didnt he just call himself God Vegito, woulda been more awesome. Blue Vegeto sounds bad....

Because Vegetto isn't a god. He's just a mortal with god ki. Although, given Vegetto's ego, I wouldn't have been shocked if he called himself that.

[SansrivaaL]

Why didnt he just call himself God Vegito, woulda been more awesome. Blue Vegeto sounds bad....

Then we will be having arguments if vegetto is a true God, if his version of SSG is SSB looking, if two SSG's fusion results in SSB, "why name it god when they easily could say blue! This must mean something right?... Right??"

Its just his own perspective of what to call himself, just a title, we dont have to take it literally, I mean if he was being literal then he shoulda said "Aoikami Vegito"="Blue Hair Vegeto" which can also translate to "Blue God Vegeto", kami=hair or God, it would have been more controversial right!!!

[mfwlegend3]

No Goku and Vegeta teamwork? Come on, Toyotaro. What made the anime battle so special was that it was the first time Goku & Vegeta worked together against a common enemy; something Whis urged them both to work on. Even though they were ultimately overwhelmed in the anime, it was still entertaining to see. Here? They're over here taking turns. It's the Boo arc all over again, which is so damn boring. Even right down to Goku rejecting the use of the earrings at first because "it wasn't their style" to use them over their actual power and strength.

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What a letdown.

[SansrivaaL]

I have to prefer the anime since Goku and Vegeta actually worked together. Best part, they did it so seamlessly that neither one of the realized that they finally took Whis' advise. It actually seemed they learned their lesson from Resurrection 'F', even if there is no acknowledgement of it.

Here, like you said, they're dumbasses. I mean, it funny, but dumbasses.

Its all about perspectives, I see Goku as he had enough fun in the anime as he was able to fight Black and Zamasu, he already got a taste of them and went all out, in the manga Goku barely had a talk with Black besides their first encounter, so maybe in his manga part he was itching for some solo action thus he was fine with not fusing immediately.
Them being dumbasses is what I love about them they were like, fuck dying, I want some alone time with that mf.

[HeroR]

Full korean raws are out and I still hold my judgement, it's pretty shit, but cool art.

Merged Zamasu is such a damn pushover that it hurts to watch. Toyo did terribly with his portrayal of "menacing" villains.

How are you holding your judgement if you're calling it shit in the same sentence?

About Zamasu portrayal he's not a menacing villain except when he's ahead. That's the point, the personality of the character. He's not like his anime version. It's fine to dislike it or love it, however you can't call it a terrible portrayal of something it's not trying to be. We can't say a rabbit is poor a portraying a dog, when it's just being a rabbit.

The problem with Merged Zamasu is that he's boring. He doesn't have to be like his anime counterpart, just fun to watch. This version of Merged Zamasu is basically Cell down to the copy and paste panels and he isn't even as good as Cell, who I don't care for.

Also, Merged Zamasu isn't even menacing when he's head. Just a smug snake.

I have to prefer the anime since Goku and Vegeta actually worked together. Best part, they did it so seamlessly that neither one of the realized that they finally took Whis' advise. It actually seemed they learned their lesson from Resurrection 'F', even if there is no acknowledgement of it.

Here, like you said, they're dumbasses. I mean, it funny, but dumbasses.

Its all about perspectives, I see Goku as he had enough fun in the anime as he was able to fight Black and Zamasu, he already got a taste of them and went all out, in the manga Goku barely had a talk with Black besides their first encounter, so maybe in his manga part he was itching for some solo action thus he was fine with not fusing immediately.
Them being dumbasses is what I love about them they were like, fuck dying, I want some alone time with that mf.

I wouldn't call Goku having 'fun' with Black and Future Zamasu when he heard that Black killed his family. After, he wanted Black's head. So him not caring if he teamed up with Vegeta makes sense.

Here, Goku doesn't have personal stakes, but Vegeta does since this is his son's world and he can't even try to put his pride aside. It's kind of annoying. I know he hesitated to fused in the anime, but he had no problem teaming up with Goku to fight Merged Zamasu.

Absolute Zamasu against Goku and Vegeta is a great fight. I'm happy that Toyotarõ maintained the Kaioshin type abilities from Zamasu. It's a refreshing fighting style in Dragon Ball.

Vegetto vs Absolute Zamasu is a bit disappointing, it's average and very short. Taking into account how it was shown in the anime, it seems Mr.Toriyama really wanted it to be a blip in the arc. Fair to say that the anime was able to squeeze out more juice from it.

Let's see what the translations tell us. Still quite a lot to unpack. Liking what I've seen so far.

Kind of mixed. While I enjoy seeing Merged Zamasu fight like a Supreme Kai, we've kind of already seen that with Black and Future Zamasu. Not saying that it needed to copy the anime, but Merged Zamasu didn't bring anything new to the table. Doesn't help that since everyone is dead there doesn't feel like anything is gained here. The anime temper Merged Zamasu's power with us seeing him terrorized that last remnants of Earth and everyone fighting to survive.

[SansrivaaL]

I wouldn't call Goku having 'fun' with Black and Future Zamasu when he heard that Black killed his family. After, he wanted Black's head. So him not caring if he teamed up with Vegeta makes sense.

Here, Goku doesn't have personal stakes, but Vegeta does since this is his son's world and he can't even try to put his pride aside. It's kind of annoying. I know he hesitated to fused in the anime, but he had no problem teaming up with Goku to fight Merged Zamasu.

Maybe "fun" wasnt the right word but you get the gits of it, was kinda surprised that Goku let Vegeta take on Black after the shit that Black just told him but I guess he was fine with it cause he's the one that knows mafuuba.

I was ok with them teaming up back in the anime but I just prefer having their saiyan blood get the better of them despite the idiotic decision of going at a foe that just knocked the God ki out of them mints ago 1 on 1 much more fun and appealing.

I see both Goku's and Vegeta's moments in the anime and manga both IC from the events that happened.

given Vegetto's ego, I wouldn't have been shocked if he called himself that.

Yea thats what I was getting at, Vegito's cocky. Him being a God in the literal sense or not wasnt my point.

[Grimlock]

Does Vegetto at least use Final Kamehameha or is it a normal Kamehameha?

[Kanassa]

Am I the only one who burst out laughing when Zamasu force choked them? It confirmed, THE KAIOSHIN ARE THE FUCKING SITH!

[Draconic]

So now that the full chapter's out, I can finally form a full opinion and.. This chapter was great! First time I've not been underwhelmed by the full thing this arc.

Very well paced, the fighting was cool, especially pre-Vegetto. Vegetto does get that cool moment cutting off Zamasu's hands, though, so that makes up for his little time.
The Potara retcon was kept and I am very glad, since it now must be true it comes from Toriyama himself. Wouldn't have had a problem even if it was a Toei thing, but the fact such an ingrained thing gets changed by the original author is better than a second-party doing it.
The line about Vegetto possibly being stronger than Beerus makes me happy too. It's not 100% definitive, but it is a direct comparsion and, even though it's not about Goku or Vegeta, helps moving the overall story forward.
Also liked Trunks' speech about his mom, convincing Vegeta to fuse with Goku. It is a genuine heart-felt father-son moment.
Happy it's not the end of the arc! My pacing problems at the beginning of the arc got evened out by great pacing in the finale. Hope the next chapter doesn't screw it up.

However, I also have some problems.

Goku and Vegeta taking turns against Merged Zamasu is boring. Them getting to fight together works better, especially if they are going to fuse. That should be used as a last resort and I feel them not trying to overwhelm him, even if they'd have failed, isn't exhausting every option.
Zamasu's fighting style is super bland. Throwing Katchin blocks around like a spaz and random Ki attacks. I understand he is using Kaioshin techniques but... At least use the sword! That's his trademark! Both Black and Zamasu has it, so why is the fusion not really putting it to use? However, it is a much more "Z" fight, so it does feel more familiar than what we got in the anime.
Vegetto just owning Zamasu. I wanted more of a fight, but with both Zamasu and Black being weaker than Goku and Vegeta I guess it makes sense why it's not.

There are also some stuff I don't wanna call negatives, but more like missed opportunities:
- would have been nice to see Vegetto Red.
- Trunks could've done a little more towards the beginning, like teaming up with Vegeta or even Goku. Kinda ties with my first complaint.

All in all, however, what we got was satisfying enough. Favorite chapter of this arc, which is freaking weird to me. I didn't give a shit about Vegetto appearing, but his episode and chapter turned out my favorites.

[HeroR]

I wouldn't call Goku having 'fun' with Black and Future Zamasu when he heard that Black killed his family. After, he wanted Black's head. So him not caring if he teamed up with Vegeta makes sense.

Here, Goku doesn't have personal stakes, but Vegeta does since this is his son's world and he can't even try to put his pride aside. It's kind of annoying. I know he hesitated to fused in the anime, but he had no problem teaming up with Goku to fight Merged Zamasu.

Maybe "fun" wasnt the right word but you get the gits of it, was kinda surprised that Goku let Vegeta take on Black after the shit that Black just told him but I guess he was fine with it cause he's the one that knows mafuuba.

I was ok with them teaming up back in the anime but I just prefer having their saiyan blood get the better of them despite the idiotic decision of going at a foe that just knocked the God ki out of them mints ago 1 on 1 much more fun and appealing.

I see both Goku's and Vegeta's moments in the anime and manga both IC from the events that happened.

given Vegetto's ego, I wouldn't have been shocked if he called himself that.

Yea thats what I was getting at, Vegito's cocky. Him being a God in the literal sense or not wasnt my point.

I think Goku let Vegeta have Black since he knew that Vegeta was stronger than him at that moment. So he put his personal vengeance aside and used Future Zamasu as his stress punching bag.

My problem with the whole "having their Saiyan blood get the better of them despite the idiotic decision" is that it has been done before. First in the Buu Saga and in Resurrection 'F'. To me at least, this aspect lost it's novelty. It's especially annoying since one of the big things for Vegeta's character in this arc in particularly was that he wasn't fighting for his own pride, but for Trunks' sake, something Black humored that didn't sound Saiyan like. Black even alluded to that Vegeta's power came from righteous anger. I mean, Vegeta may not have gotten many cool fights moments in this arc, but he got awesome character moments, some of the best in my opinion, that the manga just doesn't have outside of his interaction with Mai. Again, not saying they should have fused right off the bat, because that would have been OOC for both of them, but them taking Merged Zamasu on 1v1 is just grinding. Funny, but frustrating. It reminds me of the criticizes about Super not giving characters any development. It's even more frustrating to me since Trunks had to give Vegeta a talk to get him to fuse, which reminds me of the Buu Saga when Goku had to give Vegeta a lecture and say Bulma died. Seriously, did we really need a revamp of that?

But, I can also see why people who like it from a 'that's our Goku and Vegeta' POV, like Goku putting a hit on himself.

[SansrivaaL]

Yeah one thing in this chapter that I will never forget is his line
"Hey, you forgot your hands" smug Vegito
It wasnt a close fight at all, it was a one sided beat down in favor of Vegito.
So Merged Zamasu didnt have that icky gooey shit going on? I guess its fine.

[TheMikado]

I still wonder why any of the versions called themselves Super Vegito Blue.

Vegetto Blue is the better of the two trough.

It is, but I feel like adding it to the name is stupid. Why not SSB Vegetto? We don't call then Goku Blue/Blue Goku. Its just dumb to make it a title at all.

Same reason Vegetto called himself Super Vegetto and so does the merchandise and not Super Saiyan Vegetto.

I always assumed the in universe reason was because Vegeta called himself "Super Vegeta" when he got ascended SSJ and got cocky. I assumed the same thing was happening with Vegetto because of the Vegeta part.

[TheMikado]

Yeah one thing in this chapter that I will never forget is his line
"Hey, you forgot your hands" smug Vegito
It wasnt a close fight at all, it was a one sided beat down in favor of Vegito.
So Merged Zamasu didnt have that icky gooey shit going on? I guess its fine.

I KNOW! I haven't even seen the whole chapter yet but the hands part killing me. Just cutting off his hands was sooo bad-ass to me. It feels like a stunt a combination of Goku&Vegeta would pull. Ruthless as hell, joke that's also scathing and belittling. I can almost hear him say it in the dual voice.

[Legion]

I saw the chapter, and i'm happy to see that casual merged Zamasu stomps Goku and Vegeta. And that Vegeth destroy Zamasu as well is a right thing. The fusions in the manga are powerful like in Z.

Ok but if Vegeth is just a bit stronger than Beerus (Shin says "perhaps", so is not sure that Vegeth blue>Beerus) this mean that Goku SSJG was....really trash compared to Beerus?

[HeroR]

Yeah one thing in this chapter that I will never forget is his line
"Hey, you forgot your hands" smug Vegito
It wasnt a close fight at all, it was a one sided beat down in favor of Vegito.
So Merged Zamasu didnt have that icky gooey shit going on? I guess its fine.

I seriously hate that. One of the things I did like about Vegetto, since I didn't want him to begin with, was that Merged Zamasu actually pushed him. Yeah, he came out ahead in the end, but it wasn't a repeat of Super Buu. Here, that's exactly what we got. It's like Toyo can't have the heroes be behind unless Toriyama puts it in his outline. Which is a little odd looking at his version of AF.

I am mixed about the gooey form. I didn't like it, but I understood why it happened. Here, Merged Zamasu is basically Cell spamming regeneration.

[Namz]

In the anime they could as well tell No. 17 to go to the future and kill Zamasu with 1 hit.

[HeroR]

In the anime they could as well tell No. 17 to go to the future and kill Zamasu with 1 hit.

Since Zamasu's is an immortal, not likely. Also, Black was stronger than Goku and Vegeta before he fused.

[jeffbr92]

I may be alone in this, but I'm personally glad that Vegetto maintains his Boo Arc physical appearance, as it never made any sense to me that Vegeta, following the Boo Arc, went back to dressing as he had during the Cell Arc. In the 2008 Jump Special, he briefly explained that the armor qualified as formal Saiyajin attire befitting a social gathering, which I suppose makes sense, since the Jump Special and Battle of Gods take place at parties, but, following the tournament between Universes Six and Seven, it doesn't really make sense for Vegeta to continue dressing "formally". Of course, the same could be said for Gokū's dōgi having the "Kame" symbol and "Go" symbol again in the 2008 Jump Special and Battle of Gods, respectively, for seemingly no reason.

Yeah. I agree with this, I would prefer Boo Arc attire for Vegeta in Super and then his RoF outfit for the rest of the series.