"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by Doctor. » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:08 pm

OLKv3 wrote:K bye. You don't have to keep repeating that you're dropping the manga as if it's some heartbreaking moment for the fandom lol
I said it twice, with reason if you look at the context. Chill.

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Post by OLKv3 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:10 pm

I am chill. I just think you're being entirely over dramatic. You're not reading it anymore. Ok, then leave. "Don't bother repyling, I won't be back, I'm not looking for a debate"

Then you continue to reply and debate. You don't like the manga. Ok.

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Post by Doctor. » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:14 pm

OLKv3 wrote:I am chill. I just think you're being entirely over dramatic. You're not reading it anymore. Ok, then leave. "Don't bother repyling, I won't be back, I'm not looking for a debate"

Then you continue to reply and debate. You don't like the manga. Ok.
I'm not looking for a debate about the power level inconsistencies. I don't see how that's hard to grasp if you look at the context. Dropping the manga doesn't necessarily mean I can't post in this thread either regarding other issues, at least until the next chapter comes around.

And I merely justified myself as to why I'm dropping the manga. batistabus implied I dropped it for the power level issues and I said no, because, well, I don't like to be misunderstood, I think that's human. I'm sorry if explaining myself sounds dramatic?

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Post by Makaioshin » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:17 pm

Merged Zamasu utilizing Katchin cubes is kinda silly and really unimaginative when compared to the techniques he got in the other telling of the story. It would be like if Piccolo fought by throwing hour glasses at people just because we saw him do it once. Overall though I do like that he got to use pretty much every ability that Kaioshin and Kibito used in this version. I can only hope that Zamasu fights with the cubes in the next Xenoverse.

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Post by The gr » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:43 pm

I find your lack of faith disturbing Image Merged zamasu didn't even have the awesome rpg attack from his Anime counterparts, Instead he throw blocks,I can't wait in xenoverse to have a trowing block move for zamas, another negative in this version​, seriously, toyotaro needs to get out of the safe zone once this is over,I will be pissed if he removed Basil cool figthing style/transformation
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Post by Chuquita » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:49 pm

Re: Piccolo throwing hourglasses at people

I actually like this because of how absurd an idea it is. Honestly I'd love to see him use his clothes beam to slow opponents down. Trying to land a kick? Surprise! You are now trapped inside a giant boot. Trying to throw a punch? Surprise! Now you're in a straitjacket.
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Post by The gr » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:54 pm

Chuquita wrote:Re: Piccolo throwing hourglasses at people

I actually like this because of how absurd an idea it is. Honestly I'd love to see him use his clothes beam to slow opponents down. Trying to land a kick? Surprise! You are now trapped inside a giant boot. Trying to throw a punch? Surprise! Now you're in a straitjacket.
That could be useful technique in the battle Royale and and a great gag material for toriyama :lol:. I need a filler episode of piccolo opening a close store
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:56 pm

I'm surprised some are dissing the blocks. Katchin is the hardest metal in the universe....so it's not Zamasu just threw ordinary rocks at them XD.
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Post by batistabus » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:58 pm

I'm genuinely surprised many of you actually liked what they did with Merged Zamasu in the anime. Did you think it was cool and fitting that he summoned a giant bird? Did you like the scene where Black tore a hole in space and other Blacks came out? I mean, it's okay if you did, but I thought all of that was such a lame attempt at seeming badass and mysterious. Zamasu doesn't need to have a shining halo and crazy abilities to seem like the ultimate god.

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Post by The gr » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:01 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I'm surprised some are dissing the blocks. Katchin is the hardest metal in the universe....so it's not Zamasu just threw ordinary rocks at them XD.
We know the block have good defense, but is just uncreative and cheesy to say at least,I prefer the jrpg attack
batistabus wrote:I'm genuinely surprised many of you actually liked what they did with Merged Zamasu in the anime. Did you think it was cool and fitting that he summoned a giant bird? Did you like the scene where Black tore a hole in space and other Blacks came out? I mean, it's okay if you did, but I thought all of that was such a lame attempt at seeming badass and mysterious. Zamasu doesn't need to have a shining halo and crazy abilities to seem like the ultimate god.
ok I hated black ripping a dimension and creating clones,like wtf they we're thinking but I just wish toyotaro had cool attack for merged zamasu, like let him have a dual lightsaber, wouldn't have been cool to see a star war duel between merged zamasu and vegito
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:06 pm

batistabus wrote:I'm genuinely surprised many of you actually liked what they did with Merged Zamasu in the anime. Did you think it was cool and fitting that he summoned a giant bird? Did you like the scene where Black tore a hole in space and other Blacks came out? I mean, it's okay if you did, but I thought all of that was such a lame attempt at seeming badass and mysterious. Zamasu doesn't need to have a shining halo and crazy abilities to seem like the ultimate god.
I liked the halo bit and would have liked it to stay. I didn't care for just ki spam explosions or lightning as I've seen that before too. I still very much dig Black's ki scythe in the anime, but the Black clones and him ripping up the sky was so pointless and forgotten. A complete waste. It was as bad as Goku and Beerus summoning their stands for some reason and it never being a thing again. I forget what the giant bird even is? Was that a thing?

I adore the Katchin bit as it's reminiscent of Kaioshin and using their abilities. Why would fusing with Black suddenly give him random new powers?
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dbzfan7 wrote:I'm surprised some are dissing the blocks. Katchin is the hardest metal in the universe....so it's not Zamasu just threw ordinary rocks at them XD.
We know the block have good defense, but is just uncreative and cheesy to say at least,I prefer the jrpg attack
Eh I don't see it as cheesy but an actual good attack. Much better than when Daimao just blew rocks at Goku. I found the JRPG attack the uncreative , random, has nothing to with Dragon Ball tripe. Fits alongside all the other random crap they threw out there that just went away. Though I still dig the halo and Black's Scythe....cept for the random other powers he used that just stopped being a thing real quick.
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Post by The gr » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:11 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
batistabus wrote:I'm genuinely surprised many of you actually liked what they did with Merged Zamasu in the anime. Did you think it was cool and fitting that he summoned a giant bird? Did you like the scene where Black tore a hole in space and other Blacks came out? I mean, it's okay if you did, but I thought all of that was such a lame attempt at seeming badass and mysterious. Zamasu doesn't need to have a shining halo and crazy abilities to seem like the ultimate god.
I liked the halo bit and would have liked it to stay. I didn't care for just ki spam explosions or lightning as I've seen that before too. I still very much dig Black's ki scythe in the anime, but the Black clones and him ripping up the sky was so pointless and forgotten. A complete waste. It was as bad as Goku and Beerus summoning their stands for some reason and it never being a thing again. I forget what the giant bird even is? Was that a thing?

I adore the Katchin bit as it's reminiscent of Kaioshin and using their abilities. Why would fusing with Black suddenly give him random new powers?
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then why the spirit sword exist for vegito.i like the idea of him trowing katchin to his opponent but i just hate that is his only attack,I mean he have telekenisis to strangle his opponent then why they didn't let him the ki blade again,i wanted to see a sword duel between vegito and zamas
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Post by OLKv3 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:13 pm

As soon as he named the moves after coming up with them out of nowhere, I knew they were a Toei creation. They were so un Dragon Ball like that I'm surprised people thought it'd be in the manga

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Post by Bullza » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:16 pm

I gotta be honest, I enjoy the manga, I'm interested in it and I'm generally entertained by it...

But the manga version of this saga absolutely pales in comparison to the anime version. With the Universe 6 saga they were about on par really but no this is vastly inferior.

The anime version all but saved the series in my opinion. If the anime was like this version though I don't think it would have been nearly as popular or talked about.

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Post by TheSaiyanGod » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:17 pm

It's amazing the hate that the manga takes here. In other places I accompany it, it's quite different.
They seem to want to find inconsistencies, just so that it somehow is compared to the anime.

Zamasu was talking to Goku, and was clearly taken aback because Sayiajin waited for his approach to use a kamehameha to burn. There is nothing wrong.

In Vegetto's case it's the same thing, Zamasu did not expect that.

I liked the chapter, I think the only things I have to complain about is the fact that I did not have Vegeta God and his short appearance. But he really mitted and destroyed Zamasu.
Considering the powers shown in the manga, it is logical for Vegetto to be far superior. In the Zamasu anime he was much inferior and for some reason he hit head-on with Vegetto, implying that everyone who did the merger had similar levels and so was almost matched ( Goku, Vegeta, Black and Zamasu).

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:17 pm

batistabus wrote:I'm genuinely surprised many of you actually liked what they did with Merged Zamasu in the anime. Did you think it was cool and fitting that he summoned a giant bird? Did you like the scene where Black tore a hole in space and other Blacks came out? I mean, it's okay if you did, but I thought all of that was such a lame attempt at seeming badass and mysterious. Zamasu doesn't need to have a shining halo and crazy abilities to seem like the ultimate god.
Oh, don't get me wrong. All of the weird, "divine" powers that Zamasu had been pulling out of his ass since Episode 64 are totally nonsense, but it wasn't so bullshit that I didn't buy it at all. He was the Supreme God, and they gave him abilities that lived up, and it was pretty cool, so I didn't mind.
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The gr wrote:
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batistabus wrote:I'm genuinely surprised many of you actually liked what they did with Merged Zamasu in the anime. Did you think it was cool and fitting that he summoned a giant bird? Did you like the scene where Black tore a hole in space and other Blacks came out? I mean, it's okay if you did, but I thought all of that was such a lame attempt at seeming badass and mysterious. Zamasu doesn't need to have a shining halo and crazy abilities to seem like the ultimate god.
I liked the halo bit and would have liked it to stay. I didn't care for just ki spam explosions or lightning as I've seen that before too. I still very much dig Black's ki scythe in the anime, but the Black clones and him ripping up the sky was so pointless and forgotten. A complete waste. It was as bad as Goku and Beerus summoning their stands for some reason and it never being a thing again. I forget what the giant bird even is? Was that a thing?

I adore the Katchin bit as it's reminiscent of Kaioshin and using their abilities. Why would fusing with Black suddenly give him random new powers?
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then why the spirit sword exist for vegito.i like the idea of him trowing katchin to his opponent but i just hate that is his only attack,I mean he have telekenisis to strangle his opponent then why they didn't let him the ki blade again,i wanted to see a sword duel between vegito and zamas
I would totally have loved to see a sword duel. That was a missed opportunity in both versions. I'm just glad Vegetto at least used the sword more than just surprising Zamasu and that was it. Though yeah he could have used a more unique move pool, but one that feels like an extension, and not random blessed powers for my taste.
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Post by The gr » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:24 pm

Bullza wrote:I gotta be honest, I enjoy the manga, I'm interested in it and I'm generally entertained by it...

But the manga version of this saga absolutely pales in comparison to the anime version. With the Universe 6 saga they were about on par really but no this is vastly inferior.

The anime version all but saved the series in my opinion. If the anime was like this version though I don't think it would have been nearly as popular or talked about.
This is how I feel,u6 for the Manga and Anime were both a 6 meanwhile ft TrunksManga is a 5 and the anime is a 6,I just still read it because is fun to point the difference, and telling which medium did better on a potrayal and scene, and I'm really curious how will the manga end for This saga
    negatives aside,I have high hopes for The next saga in manga format, toyotaro better improve This Time
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    Post by Makaioshin » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:41 pm

    batistabus wrote:I'm genuinely surprised many of you actually liked what they did with Merged Zamasu in the anime. Did
    Everything about it just seemed more impressive, godly, and seemed to imply that Zamasu was drawing from a power that was greater than himself. But everything about that depiction of Zamasu was a bit more over top. I certainly didn't expect the bird of justice to carry and I was looking forward to whatever Toyotaro came up with. The katchin cubes just seem sorta lame. It made sense when Kaioshin did it way back because he was trying to test out the Z Sword. Now Zamasu does because it is a cute callback. Why is it still in cube form? Is that the only way he can materialize it? Did he just figure that was the best offensive form for it? Ultimately, I don't have the answer to these questions and they don't really matter. I just want this as an attack in a video game.
    dbzfan7 wrote:I'm surprised some are dissing the blocks. Katchin is the hardest metal in the universe....so it's not Zamasu just threw ordinary rocks at them XD.
    I guess even Freeza used rocks. Also Zamasu threw like a sign post and a barrel at Goku a couple of chapters ago. I also want to use that in a game.
    Chuquita wrote:Re: Piccolo throwing hourglasses at people

    I actually like this because of how absurd an idea it is. Honestly I'd love to see him use his clothes beam to slow opponents down. Trying to land a kick? Surprise! You are now trapped inside a giant boot. Trying to throw a punch? Surprise! Now you're in a straitjacket.
    Materializing weighted clothing on people could be pretty cool and I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet in anything.

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    Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:48 pm

    Makaioshin wrote:The katchin cubes just seem sorta lame.
    I wish I could disagree, but... Yeah... Toyotaro really dropped the ball with that one. Thing is, I don't have any problem with using Katchin as a primary means of attack. It's the hardest metal in Universe 7, possibly the entire Multiverse! But what monstrous lack of creativity drove Toyotaro to keep it in the form of giant cubes?! He could've made blade or spikes stronger and faster than typical ki blasts, he could've surrounded his body and created a Greed-esque shield. Imagine the great choreography that could have been, but Toyotaro didn't have the vision to take advantage of.

    ...instead, we got giant metal cubes.
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