"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Post by MrBlackFox » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:53 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:What's with this fanbase with overreacting and reading way to deep into simple statements? lol

Almost everytime we get things like this I see overreactions everywhere and then it turns out be nothing at all.
I have no idea where this replacement talk has come from, everyone is in the poster, OP and ED.
It was only a fear I have and nothing else, as I said before :lol: don't worry guys

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:54 am

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It’s essential for Gohan to make a comeback in order for Universe 7 to claim victory at the Tournament of Power! His martial arts master Piccolo aims to sharpen Gohan’s faded skills through one-on-one training, and tries to bring even more power out of him than he had in the past. And the result is…?!!
Piccolo better enjoy this, since after this its back to the jobing board for you big green. Serve your only purpose of training one of the best fighters (which will inevitably turn back into a nerd after this arc)

Why are you lying to yourself? When does Piccolo even 'job'? When has Gohan ever been a good fighter?

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Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:01 am

namekiansaiyan wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:
It’s essential for Gohan to make a comeback in order for Universe 7 to claim victory at the Tournament of Power! His martial arts master Piccolo aims to sharpen Gohan’s faded skills through one-on-one training, and tries to bring even more power out of him than he had in the past. And the result is…?!!
Piccolo better enjoy this, since after this its back to the jobing board for you big green. Serve your only purpose of training one of the best fighters (which will inevitably turn back into a nerd after this arc)

Why are you lying to yourself? When does Piccolo even 'job'? When has Gohan ever been a good fighter?
The same way you've been lying to yourself on being bias towards anything regarding Piccolo? lets be real here Piccolo wont be doing anything from the looks of it, his biggest contribution will probably just be him training Gohan which the magazine even mentions that "It’s essential for Gohan to make a comeback in order for Universe 7 to claim victory" and what does it say for Piccolo? "aims to sharpen Gohan’s faded skills through one-on-one training" its not even about his powers or anything but just his role as being Gohan's teacher.

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:13 am

SansrivaaL wrote: The same way you've been lying to yourself on being bias towards anything regarding Piccolo? lets be real here Piccolo wont be doing anything from the looks of it, his biggest contribution will probably just be him training Gohan which the magazine even mentions that "It’s essential for Gohan to make a comeback in order for Universe 7 to claim victory" and what does it say for Piccolo? "aims to sharpen Gohan’s faded skills through one-on-one training" its not even about his powers or anything but just his role as being Gohan's teacher.
When that one-on-one trianing happens you will see how good Piccolo is. If Gohan is just dominating Piccolo during the training then why is Gohan there? That preview was also shorter than usual.

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Post by pacz360 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:25 am

namekiansaiyan wrote:Looks like Piccolo is going to beat up Gohan and hopefully show how strong he has got .What are they going to achieve in 31 hours anyway? This sounds more like power level bullshit.

Episode 89 is the last of the recruiting episodes.

Not a lot of information due to there being previews for 2 episodes.

Now we wait for next episode preview for 88 on sunday.
Hopefully very strong.

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Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:29 am

namekiansaiyan wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote: The same way you've been lying to yourself on being bias towards anything regarding Piccolo? lets be real here Piccolo wont be doing anything from the looks of it, his biggest contribution will probably just be him training Gohan which the magazine even mentions that "It’s essential for Gohan to make a comeback in order for Universe 7 to claim victory" and what does it say for Piccolo? "aims to sharpen Gohan’s faded skills through one-on-one training" its not even about his powers or anything but just his role as being Gohan's teacher.
When that one-on-one trianing happens you will see how good Piccolo is. If Gohan is just dominating Piccolo during the training then why is Gohan there? That preview was also shorter than usual.
Oh dont get me wrong, I'm very much sure Piccolo will beat the living hell out of Gohan in that episode. Gohan isnt exactly the brightest dude when it comes to tournaments, thats the whole point as to why he lost to someone like Krillin. Gohan does not know what he's getting himself into, Piccolo,Goku,Tien,Roshi and Krillin are the only experienced fighters when it comes to tournaments like this.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:10 am

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Ki Breaker wrote: There is no way I would accept a team change..
That's an unbelievably stupid thing to do..
I need my Roshi action and I will get it
We wont let Toei get in the way of our majestic turtle badass removing glasses hermit out just because he cant freaking fly! no to team change!
Damn right!
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Post by The gr » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:25 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:What's with this fanbase with overreacting and reading way to deep into simple statements? lol

Almost everytime we get things like this I see overreactions everywhere and then it turns out be nothing at all.
I have no idea where this replacement talk has come from, everyone is in the poster, OP and ED.
From Herms https://mobile.twitter.com/Herms98/stat ... 6412275712, Gohan is back in training with his master, they better explain wether he's ultimate or not currently
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Post by emperior » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:28 am

Dragon Ball Super: Is the newest arc safe from power scaling? After all Master Roshi is fighting too... We talk to the producer.

We are entering the TV anime’s new “Universe Survival” arc of Dragon Ball Super, the new Dragon Ball anime inspired by Akira Toriyama’s hugely popular manga. We have seen the series’ hero, Son Goku, take part in many intense battles against tough foes throughout Super so far, but in this new arc, we expect to see even more powerful opponents, assembled from across the many universes to participate in the Tournament of Power. With the stage set on such a magnificent scale, we have fans worrying if the series is safe from “power scaling (literally: power inflation),” after all, there are characters such as Master Roshi and Krillin who cannot hope to keep up with the power levels of these increasingly powerful foes. We asked the anime’s producer at Toei Animation, Hiroyuki Sakurada, a range of questions such as “Is the power scaling going to be ok?,” and “Can Master Roshi really fight in such a stage?”

-Akira Toriyama’s Ideas will Surpass the Power Scaling Worry

Dragon Ball is the name of Akira Toriyama’s famous manga that was serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump (Shueisha) from 1984-95. The anime debuted in 1986, and Dragon Ball Super, a completely original story overlooked by Toriyama himself, began in July 2015. It starts after Goku’s fight with Majin Buu and touches on plot points such as meeting with the God of Destruction, Beerus, fighting a revived Frieza and a showdown with Goku Black.

In the new Universe Survival arc, we see a Tournament of Power, in which warriors representing each universe assemble to battle it out. Each universe must assemble 10 warriors to fight in this tournament, and the losing universes will be eradicated. Sakurada tells us that, “Regarding the new grand developments of this upcoming arc, when I asked Mr Toriyama how the series will progress, Toriyama himself proposed this new story. Receiving the bare bones of the story from Toriyama, I fleshed out the story and created what you will be seeing on your screens soon.” He also added that the fact there will be over 100 new characters from each universe was tricky indeed.

Zeno, who stands in a position above each universe’s gods, evaluated each universe, assigned them a rank – the results of which were that Goku’s universe, Universe 7, is second from the bottom. The fact that there are even stronger foes in other universes surprised a lot of fans, and resulted in some voices calling that this power scaling ruins the story.

Sakurada tells us this idea of there always being an even stronger power has been with the Dragon Ball series for a long time. “Each time a new arc or series begins, the fans always worry about how it will turn out in the end, but Toriyama always seems to break through this issue. Although the scale of this next arc is on another level, there is no fear of any power scaling issues. After all, worlds that I can’t even imagine will be created in the future, so we will work our way through this power scaling issue.”

Isn’t Master Roshi Pretty Strong?

In the promotional artwork for the Universe Survival arc, we can see the warriors chosen to participate. The expected fighters, Goku, Gohan and Vegeta are here, but many fans are surprised to see Master Roshi among the roster. Although he was once the strongest fighter in the past, he has seen very little action in the recent series. Even in Dragon Ball Super, although he had a fight scene against Frieza’s army, he hasn’t really had much show time this series.

When we ask whether Master Roshi can keep up with this power scaling, Sakurada tells us: “Isn’t Master Roshi pretty strong? There are things both he and Krillin can do. In addition to the question of Gohan getting his fighting instincts back, we can look forward to how these characters play their roles in this upcoming arc. It was Toriyama’s idea to assemble these ten characters, and I think it’s quite the interesting lineup. But getting all ten members together who are on that promotional image... Please look forward to it!”

In the Tournament of Power, all 10 members from each time fight at the same time in a battle royal. The universe who has the last remaining fighter, or the most remaining fighters at the end of the time limit, will be the victor. As there is a ban on flying, this battle’s focus will move to a primarily tactical based one. Due to this, there will most likely be a place for Krillin and Master Roshi to shine, even though their power level is lower than Goku’s.

In regard to the Universe Survival arc, Sakurada tells us “The series’ popular characters will form a team and participate in a dream match against even more powerful opponents from other universes. We will see who will join the team and how they will play their roles. When Dragon Ball was first serialized it was regarded as the best battle action manga in the world. Even now, there are unique qualities about it, and has a charm that exceeds language, generation and time. I hope I can show this same quality in the new Universe Survival arc. Please look forward to the action and excitement that awaits!” There will be an even more grand story, intense battles in this new arc and we think it’s something to really look forward to. As Goku always says, “I’m pretty excited!”
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Post by TheMikado » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:34 am

Lapislettuce wrote:This confirms that Toriyama is the one who wanted 17 and not because someone at Toei is "a 17 fanboy" like so many airheads were saying.
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How does anything in this confirm Toriyama wanted to put 17 in? He's been taking suggestions since the very beginning BoG wasn't even Toriyamas original idea! You're acting like he magically creates things in a vacuum.

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:46 am

What I get from this interview is that everything before the tournament is just made up by Toei and Toei are trying to show the fanbase in these recruiting episodes how these characters are going to be able to compete.

This just makes me think power levels will mean less and less and that everyone is going to do good.

I really want it to come down to Universe 7 vs Universe 11, 10 vs 10 that means the other 60 get knocked out from the other universes before anyone in these 2 universes do. It will essentially be good vs evil then. We could have an epic stand-off scene for this.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:50 am

The gr wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:What's with this fanbase with overreacting and reading way to deep into simple statements? lol

Almost everytime we get things like this I see overreactions everywhere and then it turns out be nothing at all.
I have no idea where this replacement talk has come from, everyone is in the poster, OP and ED.
From Herms https://mobile.twitter.com/Herms98/stat ... 6412275712, Gohan is back in training with his master, they better explain wether he's ultimate or not currently
I see thanks still though I think now that the same team is in the OP and ED not just the poster it'll be the same 10 no changes.

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Post by emperior » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:53 am

namekiansaiyan wrote:What I get from this interview is that everything before the tournament is just made up by Toei and Toei are trying to show the fanbase in these recruiting episodes how these characters are going to be able to compete.

This just makes me think power levels will mean less and less and that everyone is going to do good.

I really want it to come down to Universe 7 vs Universe 11, 10 vs 10 that means the other 60 get knocked out from the other universes before anyone in these 2 universes do. It will essentially be good vs evil then. We could have an epic stand-off scene for this.
I think it will come down to U6 vs U7 vs U11, the other universes will most likely lose easily early on.
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Post by kinisking » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:58 am

TheMikado wrote:
Lapislettuce wrote:This confirms that Toriyama is the one who wanted 17 and not because someone at Toei is "a 17 fanboy" like so many airheads were saying.
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How does anything in this confirm Toriyama wanted to put 17 in? He's been taking suggestions since the very beginning BoG wasn't even Toriyamas original idea! You're acting like he magically creates things in a vacuum.
I think the full translation say it was Toriyamas choice of characters actually. He could have been encouraged to make 17 much stronger though.
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Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:59 am

emperior wrote:
namekiansaiyan wrote:What I get from this interview is that everything before the tournament is just made up by Toei and Toei are trying to show the fanbase in these recruiting episodes how these characters are going to be able to compete.

This just makes me think power levels will mean less and less and that everyone is going to do good.

I really want it to come down to Universe 7 vs Universe 11, 10 vs 10 that means the other 60 get knocked out from the other universes before anyone in these 2 universes do. It will essentially be good vs evil then. We could have an epic stand-off scene for this.
I think it will come down to U6 vs U7 vs U11, the other universes will most likely lose easily early on.
That would be ok. I just would really hate it if any character from univere 7 loses early and only has 1 fight.
When looking back on this arc I dont want to see a character having 5 memorable fights while other ls get nothing. It will be so dissapointing to me and would make me dislike the franchise as a whole as I consider this the biggest arc of the franchise so far that people will always come back to and ultimately judge characters on.

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Post by TheMikado » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:05 am

When we ask whether Master Roshi can keep up with this power scaling, Sakurada tells us: “Isn’t Master Roshi pretty strong?
This was NOT encouraging AT ALL...
Although the scale of this next arc is on another level, there is no fear of any power scaling issues. After all, worlds that I can’t even imagine will be created in the future, so we will work our way through this power scaling issue.”
Or this, are they recognizing it as an issue?
As there is a ban on flying, this battle’s focus will move to a primarily tactical based one. Due to this, there will most likely be a place for Krillin and Master Roshi to shine, even though their power level is lower than Goku’s.


Also describing their power level as just "lower than Gokus" is a little idk. It's like saying an ant is smaller than an elephant. Basically almost an understatement.

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Post by Power Metal » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:12 am

Oracle wrote:
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The gr wrote:is Yamcha or Gotenks or someone else :think:
The only fighters that are available to replace somone on the team outside of a new character:
Yamcha
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Well, in the new image of Lady Broly isn't clear if she comes from Universe 6 or 7. What is the possibility of other hybrid saiyans existing in U7? I mean, not only Earth-based saiyans maybe one of those 28 planets have one. :!: :?:
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Post by kinisking » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:16 am

TheMikado wrote:
When we ask whether Master Roshi can keep up with this power scaling, Sakurada tells us: “Isn’t Master Roshi pretty strong?
This was NOT encouraging AT ALL...
Although the scale of this next arc is on another level, there is no fear of any power scaling issues. After all, worlds that I can’t even imagine will be created in the future, so we will work our way through this power scaling issue.”
Or this, are they recognizing it as an issue?
As there is a ban on flying, this battle’s focus will move to a primarily tactical based one. Due to this, there will most likely be a place for Krillin and Master Roshi to shine, even though their power level is lower than Goku’s.


Also describing their power level as just "lower than Gokus" is a little idk. It's like saying an ant is smaller than an elephant. Basically almost an understatement.
I think you're reading too deep into the top and bottom. I'm pretty sure they know that they're way weaker than Goku.

The middle seems like they realize power scaling issues but I have a feeling it'll still have power scaling issues according to the fanbase. I'm pretty sure they didn't consider Freeza's power up or 17's power scaling issues for instance.
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Post by LightBing » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:19 am

TheMikado wrote:
When we ask whether Master Roshi can keep up with this power scaling, Sakurada tells us: “Isn’t Master Roshi pretty strong?
This was NOT encouraging AT ALL...
Although the scale of this next arc is on another level, there is no fear of any power scaling issues. After all, worlds that I can’t even imagine will be created in the future, so we will work our way through this power scaling issue.”
Or this, are they recognizing it as an issue?
As there is a ban on flying, this battle’s focus will move to a primarily tactical based one. Due to this, there will most likely be a place for Krillin and Master Roshi to shine, even though their power level is lower than Goku’s.


Also describing their power level as just "lower than Gokus" is a little idk. It's like saying an ant is smaller than an elephant. Basically almost an understatement.
Those answers do seem to be dodging the question. The Kuririn episode has made me hopeful that the anime has learned from their mistakes. Although we can't ignore everything that preceded it, specially the Zamasu Arc.

I'm very open to meeting them halfway. I think everyone should be accepting enough to allow some flexibility of the rules, that's a compromise to deliver the best possible material.

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Post by TheMikado » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:24 am

kinisking wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
When we ask whether Master Roshi can keep up with this power scaling, Sakurada tells us: “Isn’t Master Roshi pretty strong?
This was NOT encouraging AT ALL...
Although the scale of this next arc is on another level, there is no fear of any power scaling issues. After all, worlds that I can’t even imagine will be created in the future, so we will work our way through this power scaling issue.”
Or this, are they recognizing it as an issue?
As there is a ban on flying, this battle’s focus will move to a primarily tactical based one. Due to this, there will most likely be a place for Krillin and Master Roshi to shine, even though their power level is lower than Goku’s.


Also describing their power level as just "lower than Gokus" is a little idk. It's like saying an ant is smaller than an elephant. Basically almost an understatement.
I think you're reading too deep into the top and bottom. I'm pretty sure they know that they're way weaker than Goku.

The middle seems like they realize power scaling issues but I have a feeling it'll still have power scaling issues according to the fanbase. I'm pretty sure they didn't consider Freeza's power up or 17's power scaling issues for instance.
The first one especially in the context of SSB level characters and even stronger seems extremely odd. They really seem to be saying that Roshi will use some good techniques to compete. So if they can make it believable I'm fine with it. But if they can't and this is the new direction of Dragonball this may really be the last arc for me personally. I'll be honest, I've felt like since the beginning the producers of the show didn't have a full grasp or why DB was so loved, this interview makes me feel like they aren't even fans that follow even their latest series that closely.

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