"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[OLKv3]

Why IS Zamasu only using blocks? You'd think he'd start using both Black and Zamasu techniques, like IT, Kamehamehas, that freezing ability. Instead he just spammed blocks

[Kanassa]

I wonder if Toyotaro ever played Budokai 3 for PS2. Kaioshin had an attack where he threw Katchin offensively.

Zamasu is that friend who always plays the character with the easily abused spammable move

[Duo]

I wonder if Toyotaro ever played Budokai 3 for PS2. Kaioshin had an attack where he threw Katchin offensively.

Zamasu is that friend who always plays the character with the easily abused spammable move

It WAS pretty hard-hitting and could be surprising at times. I think his fused state could use it as well. Made him pretty awesome to play sometimes.

[Basako]

Why IS Zamasu only using blocks? You'd think he'd start using both Black and Zamasu techniques, like IT, Kamehamehas, that freezing ability. Instead he just spammed blocks

Yeah, he is not just using blocks. When Goku and Vegeta attack him, he uses some kind of moves to push them without touching them, he uses that same move offensively to hold them in the air, then some kind of giant wave which creates an enormous crater, then he launches generic energy balls in every direction, then the blocks against Goku, he is about to use a destructive energy ball with sparks when Vegetto attacks him first. After that, it's mostly Vegetto who attacks, until he uses the blocks again.

The battle is more varied than what it's being said here. And I made just a list, but the thing is there is more about it, MZ is discovering his own power, he is surprised when he first kicks Goku and Vegeta at the same time, after the psychic moves, he is like really enjoying it, the way he laughs when he launches the energy balls everywhere. There is more about Vegetto's part too, he is introduced in a very cool way, we don't see him first, just the tremendous blast that disintegrates half of MZ's body, the classic hand to hand attacks where he crushes him, how the ground expands when he blasts MZ in a hole, MZ trying to surprise him from underground with the following hands cutting with the ki sword. Vegetto is going to use a definitive Kamehameha when he defuses, that's typical, but I wouldn't want it other way.

The combat is really good, there is some good writting in there to appreciate. I would pay to see it animated in the DB Z style.

[TheSaiyanGod]

I don't know what he's whining about, I never said which was better than the other. All I said was I'm surprised people thought his anime attacks would be in the manga, since they're 100% Toei creations

And again, so what? Even if one didn't think the manga version of Merged Zamasu would be a RPG boss, you would think Toyo would be more creative with the Supreme God and he wouldn't be reduced to throwing steel bricks.

What do you mean "so what"? You're getting defensive over nothing that's an insult. Try reading instead of taking everything as an insult. Read it slowly without your "MUST DEFEND TOEI AT ALL COSTS" blinders and think about what you're reading before you respond next time

It'd be like expecting SSG to make a return in the anime when it's clearly a Toyotaro creation

Toriyama reviews Toyotaro's Storyboards and makes contributions, specifying things for him to correct them.
The things that Toyotaro invents for the manga, should not they go through Toriyama? As they work together, we imagine that in the manga there are more things from the creator, right?

I'm not sure of all this

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Toriyama reviews Toyotaro's Storyboards and makes contributions, specifying things for him to correct them.
The things that Toyotaro invents for the manga, should not they go through Toriyama? As they work together, we imagine that in the manga there are more things from the creator, right?

I'm not sure of all this

According to Toyotaro, the main thing Toriyama's particular about is the humor. It seems like he has quite a bit of freedom. Either way, we can assume that SSG is his idea, since Toriyama is on the records saying that he had no intention of bringing the transformation back. Does Toriyama's approval of the idea mean anything? That's up to every individual.

[OLKv3]

You can tell what's in Toriyama's scripts, from what's similar between the anime and manga, and what they both build up towards. Vegetto Blue, Goku using a Kamehameha against Merged Zamasu, fusion wearing off, etc
They have the main points, and are free to build to them however they want. Toriyama seems a little more hands on with the manga though

[TheSaiyanGod]

Toriyama reviews Toyotaro's Storyboards and makes contributions, specifying things for him to correct them.
The things that Toyotaro invents for the manga, should not they go through Toriyama? As they work together, we imagine that in the manga there are more things from the creator, right?

I'm not sure of all this

According to Toyotaro, the main thing Toriyama's particular about is the humor. It seems like he has quite a bit of freedom. Either way, we can assume that SSG is his idea, since Toriyama is on the records saying that he had no intention of bringing the transformation back. Does Toriyama's approval of the idea mean anything? That's up to every individual.

Well, I believe that if Toriyama is approving, it's as if he accepted that thing in the series, so technically it would be valid and could be considered even if it was in only one media.

He also said that we probably would not see the transformations of Super Saiyajin 2 and 3 anymore, because they were just variations of the regular Super Saiyajin, and because they spent a lot of energy, the best ways to increase power was in the basic form and in the very form of SSJ.
But even so, we see both in the anime and in the manga Goku and vegeta using SSJ2 and 3, against Trunks and against Black. It would not surprise me if the same happened to the SSG.

In fact, the information that Vegetto was perhaps superior to Beerus, would only be valid in manga? It would be strange that such important information be used by Toyotaro without the consent of the creator, after all it is something that can change a lot in relation to the fighting powers

[Basako]

Toriyama reviews Toyotaro's Storyboards and makes contributions, specifying things for him to correct them.
The things that Toyotaro invents for the manga, should not they go through Toriyama? As they work together, we imagine that in the manga there are more things from the creator, right?

I'm not sure of all this

According to Toyotaro, the main thing Toriyama's particular about is the humor. It seems like he has quite a bit of freedom. Either way, we can assume that SSG is his idea, since Toriyama is on the records saying that he had no intention of bringing the transformation back. Does Toriyama's approval of the idea mean anything? That's up to every individual.

The being more particular about the gags is commonly interpreted like they are the parts that Toriyama supervise most. The thing is, according to another answer he gives in that same interview, that is debunked, because he specificly says that he wants the readers to pay atention to the gags, because they are the parts where he is given more freedom.

The parts I really want my fans and readers to look at are the comedic gags, because I'm pretty free to create those!

If those parts are the ones where he has more freedom, we can deduce that in the other parts he follows Toriyama's notes more. In any case, what we see in the manga has gone through Toriyama when he gets the storyboards to correct. If bringing back the SSG was his idea, for example, Toriyama didn't tell him not to do it. I say if, because we really don't know it was him, maybe Toriyama told him to do so.

[Boo Machine]

I thought it was fine when Zamasu was using the blocks against Goku. He could have shaped them to be daggers or something, but it seems like he was just throwing them just to mess with Goku.

However when Vegetto Blue was going to unleash a huge attack and Zamasus counter to it was just to throw more blocks, that made me laugh. He is half Black Goku. I wonder why he couldn't have just launched an Energy beam of his own.

[The gr]

The chapter isn't translated yet, but I agree with everyone,the hand to hand combat is just good and vegito entrance was epic as hell,it was short but sweet like the anime. There's three thing the Manga did better than the anime, gore, Vegeta reasoning for fusioning and vegito entrance​ and I'm glad vegito have those hilarious quips,I would be angry if he only said exposition, and Trunks speech was also great by looking at the translation by the leaks

[Boo Machine]

vegito entrance was epic as hell

Vegitos entrance is something I didn't really like. It's Nitpicking on my part, but I feel like the last few "entrances/Reveals" have all just been a shot of the character standing there with their arms at their sides. No real cool pose/Panel to brag about. It was done when Vegeta revealed his SSJ God form, When Merged Zamasu appeared and now with Vegito.

Just feels kind of underwhelming to me. I'll have to wait for a translation before I know how to feel about Vegito himself.

[The gr]

vegito entrance was epic as hell

Vegitos entrance is something I didn't really like. It's Nitpicking on my part, but I feel like the last few "entrances/Reveals" have all just been a shot of the character standing there with their arms at their sides. No real cool pose/Panel to brag about. It was done when Vegeta revealed his SSJ God form, When Merged Zamasu appeared and now with Vegito.

Just feels kind of underwhelming to me. I'll have to wait for a translation before I know how to feel about Vegito himself.

You didn't see it right, because when merge zamas tried to blow up the building, out of nowhere vegito launches a blast and blow up Merged zamasu arm, that was just cool IMO

[Boo Machine]

vegito entrance was epic as hell

Vegitos entrance is something I didn't really like. It's Nitpicking on my part, but I feel like the last few "entrances/Reveals" have all just been a shot of the character standing there with their arms at their sides. No real cool pose/Panel to brag about. It was done when Vegeta revealed his SSJ God form, When Merged Zamasu appeared and now with Vegito.

Just feels kind of underwhelming to me. I'll have to wait for a translation before I know how to feel about Vegito himself.

You didn't see it right, because when merge zamas tried to blow up the building, out of nowhere vegito launches a blast and blow up Merged zamasu arm, that was just cool IMO

Oh yes. I agree. The way he appeared was cool. I'm just talking about the first shot that reveals him that I take issue with. Well I say "Issue" but it's a fairly small gripe.

[The gr]

Vegitos entrance is something I didn't really like. It's Nitpicking on my part, but I feel like the last few "entrances/Reveals" have all just been a shot of the character standing there with their arms at their sides. No real cool pose/Panel to brag about. It was done when Vegeta revealed his SSJ God form, When Merged Zamasu appeared and now with Vegito.

Just feels kind of underwhelming to me. I'll have to wait for a translation before I know how to feel about Vegito himself.

You didn't see it right, because when merge zamas tried to blow up the building, out of nowhere vegito launches a blast and blow up Merged zamasu arm, that was just cool IMO

Oh yes. I agree. The way he appeared was cool. I'm just talking about the first shot that reveals him that I take issue with.

DB Manga usually have the underwhelming transformation , look at goku transformation at Namek, compare it to the Anime and manga,is obvious the Anime is better, because it had a better atmosphere and Now with Merged zamasu compare to the Anime and Manga,the anime is better because the visual and atmosphere drove it

It's amazing the hate that the manga takes here. In other places I accompany it, it's quite different.
They seem to want to find inconsistencies, just so that it somehow is compared to the anime.

,Is very ironic that people still believe that everyone praise toyotaro and bash at Anime, but now is the other way around,I think because the ft trunks Saga exposes the problem with toyotaro blatantly, is the homages, to much exposition and sometimes uncreative, with the figthing, those were minimal problem from 1 to 15 chapter, but now is more apparent and noticed it when I was rereading this.

[Boo Machine]

Oh yes. I agree. The way he appeared was cool. I'm just talking about the first shot that reveals him that I take issue with.

DB Manga usually have the underwhelming transformation , look at goku transformation at Namek, compare it to the Anime and manga,is obvious the Anime is better, because it had a better atmosphere and Now with Merged zamasu compare to the Anime and Manga,the anime is better because the visual and atmosphere drove it[/quote]

I feel like transformations in the manga were usually fine. They may not have been given the bells and whistles of the anime but it was still cool to see and usually has an iconic panel to reveal the form. Like with Goku transforming on Namek.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Man I just love how Future Trunks was a spectator in his own arc... Sarcasm aside that bugged the ever living out me he is now more or less a tertiary character in his own arc. No father and son Galick gun but we get a father and son speech instead. I like to think that Toyo is building up for Trunks "big moment" but that is gonna feel way worse when it happens, but the way things have gone so far I think Toyo will just make Goku use the Zen-Oh button as is no Trunks moment.

[OLKv3]

Man I just love how Future Trunks was a spectator in his own arc... Sarcasm aside that bugged the ever living out me he is now more or less a tertiary character in his own arc. No father and son Galick gun but we get a father and son speech instead. I like to think that Toyo is building up for Trunks "big moment" but that is gonna feel way worse when it happens, but the way things have gone so far I think Toyo will just make Goku use the Zen-Oh button as is no Trunks moment.

Trunks is the only fighter left standing now so he has to do something. Goku and Vegeta are done, they have no senzus either

[kidhero1000]

Man I just love how Future Trunks was a spectator in his own arc... Sarcasm aside that bugged the ever living out me he is now more or less a tertiary character in his own arc. No father and son Galick gun but we get a father and son speech instead. I like to think that Toyo is building up for Trunks "big moment" but that is gonna feel way worse when it happens, but the way things have gone so far I think Toyo will just make Goku use the Zen-Oh button as is no Trunks moment.

I dunno, he did managed to get tossed around and choked out a bit. I say He had a good run

[MathSSJ]

Man I just love how Future Trunks was a spectator in his own arc... Sarcasm aside that bugged the ever living out me he is now more or less a tertiary character in his own arc. No father and son Galick gun but we get a father and son speech instead. I like to think that Toyo is building up for Trunks "big moment" but that is gonna feel way worse when it happens, but the way things have gone so far I think Toyo will just make Goku use the Zen-Oh button as is no Trunks moment.

Trunks is the only fighter left standing now so he has to do something. Goku and Vegeta are done, they have no senzus either

I can buy Black being completely out of Ki after this so whatever, but what the hell is Trunks gonna do against the immortal Zamasu?