"Dragon Ball Super" FUNimation Dub Official Discussion Thread

[Scsigs]

That's the thing though, Schemmel's Goku voice doesn't make for a good Goku Black at all. It's a really cool idea otherwise, I especially like the idea that he could slip into his posh speak as he goes into his self-aggrandizing speeches, but prior to that point, I just don't see Schemmel-Goku's voice working out for Black.

A version of what you're suggesting that I would enjoy would be to smoothed out a voice with only subtle hints of an accent until he reaches he reaches Rose in Episode 56, at which point he can be as flamboyant with it as possible, but I'm not even 100% sure that Schemmel could pull that off.

Do yu have any proof that he can't? I say give him a chance if they would do it like that.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

That's the thing though, Schemmel's Goku voice doesn't make for a good Goku Black at all. It's a really cool idea otherwise, I especially like the idea that he could slip into his posh speak as he goes into his self-aggrandizing speeches, but prior to that point, I just don't see Schemmel-Goku's voice working out for Black.

A version of what you're suggesting that I would enjoy would be to smoothed out a voice with only subtle hints of an accent until he reaches he reaches Rose in Episode 56, at which point he can be as flamboyant with it as possible, but I'm not even 100% sure that Schemmel could pull that off.

Do yu have any proof that he can't?

I never set out to prove anything, I'm just using my intuition, and it tells me that he can't pull off what you're suggesting. I'd love for him to prove me wrong when the time comes, though.

[OLKv3]

So, um, if anyone can answer me a quick question about the Xenoverse 2 Pack 3 Twitch stream, https://youtu.be/6ms8LlcpB4E?t=39m20s, can anyone identify who's voicing Zamasu & did they have Sean do some different takes for Goku Black?

I haven't heard any good examples of Zamasu, though I haven't heard anything good so far. Schemmel took a vastly different approach this time, going for a more posh dialect. It's still not very good on its own yet, but I think it'll serve as a decent base for whatever Sabat and Schemmel decide on for the anime arc

Yeah, it's British for some reason. Yet Zamasu's isn't. That's the approach I didn't want them to take. It's supposed to be Goku's normal voice, just lowered in pitch, not a different accent altogether. Though since Zamasu's voice has an American accent, I can't get as mad at it as I would, but it still irks me.

I hate it, he doesn't sound anything like Goku

[Scsigs]

I never set out to prove anything, I'm just using my intuition, and it tells me that he can't pull off what you're suggesting.

We won't know unless he tries. He's never really had to do anything like that & anime dubbing rarely has characters do that sort of thing. The only instance I've seen is the dude who looked like Sanji's wanted poster in One Piece switching from a regular accent to a Southern one (in the dub, at least. In Japanese, I've read he switched to a Kansai accent, the Japanese equivalent), which is portrayed as his regular one. Sean hasn't really had a lot of roles where he's had to do something like that. He's a good actor & he's really got a good handle on how to play Goku, so I say wait & see if they'd do something like that with him. With some good direction from Sabat, they could really have something if they tried...Ningen.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I hate it, he doesn't sound anything like Goku

We're not getting a great Goku Black voice that sounds much like Goku, it's not even in the cards, so you should probably eliminate that from your criteria. Schemmel's Goku is in almost direct opposition to Goku Black, far more so than Nozawa's Goku is, so he'll have to deviate quite a bit more. Maybe he'll strike a better balance later on, but I'd count on him refining his current approach instead.

[Scsigs]

I hate it, he doesn't sound anything like Goku

We're not getting a great Goku Black voice that sounds much like Goku, it's not even in the cards, so you should probably eliminate that from your criteria. Schemmel's Goku is in almost direct opposition to Goku Black, far more so than Nozawa's Goku is, so he'll have to deviate quite a bit more. Maybe he'll strike a better balance later on, but I'd count on him refining his current approach instead.

How, how is his Goku voice "in almost direct opposition" to Black? I'm not getting where you're coming from here.

[OLKv3]

I hate it, he doesn't sound anything like Goku

We're not getting a great Goku Black voice that sounds much like Goku, it's not even in the cards, so you should probably eliminate that from your criteria. Schemmel's Goku is in almost direct opposition to Goku Black, far more so than Nozawa's Goku is, so he'll have to deviate quite a bit more. Maybe he'll strike a better balance later on, but I'd count on him refining his current approach instead.

How, how is his Goku voice "in almost direct opposition" to Black? I'm not getting where you're coming from here.

The only way I can see him mimicking Nozawa's approach is to use his SSJ3 voice, but tweaked a little. Goku sounds like Black sometimes when he goes SSB in the anime and talks serious. I think Schemmel can do that but apparently a lot of the fanbase doesn't want that

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I hate it, he doesn't sound anything like Goku

We're not getting a great Goku Black voice that sounds much like Goku, it's not even in the cards, so you should probably eliminate that from your criteria. Schemmel's Goku is in almost direct opposition to Goku Black, far more so than Nozawa's Goku is, so he'll have to deviate quite a bit more. Maybe he'll strike a better balance later on, but I'd count on him refining his current approach instead.

How, how is his Goku voice "in almost direct opposition" to Black? I'm not getting where you're coming from here.

Simply put, Schemmel's Goku is oversimplified (not in a bad way) upbeat, and lacking self-awareness. These are qualities that Nozawa uses to an extent as well, but quite frankly, the fact the she's a woman with a deep voice gives her the advantage of completely changing her tone with very little alteration to her pitch and/or accent. Goku Black is arrogant, aristocratic, sinister, philosophical, intelligent, and basically everything else that Schemmel's Goku isn't. Don't get me wrong, Schemmel can be those things, but he can't be Goku at the same time, his current rendition of the character doesn't line up with that. He or Sabat could make changes that move in a direction where it is possible, but right now, even if he were to approximate Goku's voice as exactly as possible with his Goku Black performance, it wouldn't sound like Goku. So unless something changes, it's not a reasonable expectation to have.

The only way I can see him mimicking Nozawa's approach is to use his SSJ3 voice, but tweaked a little. Goku sounds like Black sometimes when he goes SSB in the anime and talks serious. I think Schemmel can do that but apparently a lot of the fanbase doesn't want that

No one wants it because that's the first approach he tried and it failed spectacularly. It only captures "sinister" well, and that's fine for a video game, but there's more to the character than that.

[Scsigs]

The only way I can see him mimicking Nozawa's approach is to use his SSJ3 voice, but tweaked a little. Goku sounds like Black sometimes when he goes SSB in the anime and talks serious. I think Schemmel can do that but apparently a lot of the fanbase doesn't want that

I see where you're coming from, but isn't his SS3 voice just a step back from what he would later do with his SS4 voice? I get the logic behind those voices, have Goku sound more serious as he goes up in the SS levels, but if SS4 didn't really work, why would SS3?

[OLKv3]

The only way I can see him mimicking Nozawa's approach is to use his SSJ3 voice, but tweaked a little. Goku sounds like Black sometimes when he goes SSB in the anime and talks serious. I think Schemmel can do that but apparently a lot of the fanbase doesn't want that

I see where you're coming from, but isn't his SS3 voice just a step back from what he would later do with his SS4 voice? I get the logic behind those voices, have Goku sound more serious as he goes up in the SS levels, but if SS4 didn't really work, why would SS3?

IIRC his SSJ4 voice was deeper and as gravely as his last Goku Black voice, which doesn't work. His SSJ3 voice was a bit softer and less gravely

[Scsigs]

Simply put, Schemmel's Goku is oversimplified (not in a bad way) upbeat, and lacking self-awareness. These are qualities that Nozawa uses to an extent as well, but quite frankly, the fact the she's a woman with a deep voice gives her the advantage of completely changing her tone with very little alteration to her pitch and/or accent. Goku Black is arrogant, aristocratic, sinister, philosophical, intelligent, and basically everything else that Schemmel's Goku isn't. Don't get me wrong, Schemmel can be those things, but he can't be Goku at the same time, his current rendition of the character doesn't line up with that. He or Sabat could make changes that move in a direction where it is possible, but right now, even if he were to approximate Goku's voice as exactly as possible with Goku Black's lines, it wouldn't sound like Goku. So unless something changes, it's not a reasonable expectation to have.

Ok, this is where you're losing me a bit. I kinda get where you're coming from, but I think you're underestimating Schemmel a bit. Give him SOME credit, he has a decent bit of range in his voice. Just look at many of the roles he did at 4Kids when they were still a thing. While the dubs weren't good by any stretch, he still did a good job, as did most of their actors. He's not Dan Green, who only has a few variations on his voice, at best. Sean can actually modify his tone a bit. The fact that his Goku voice is a voice he puts on certainly helps. The whole point of Black's voice is to let the actors of Goku show their range. I will admit, the range is more pronounced with Nozawa, but I think Sean could do a good job if he & Sabat watched the arc & listened to what Nozawa was doing & go from there. The entire point of Black's voice is 'what if Goku were serious all the time?' with a bit of arrogance mixed in. He's supposed to be unnerving as we see Goku's body used as a tool for evil. Sean could have a blast with that. I don't see how it couldn't be good if they did it like that.
If MasakoX can find a good balance, Sean can too.

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Ok, this is where you're losing me a bit. I kinda get where you're coming from, but I think you're underestimating Schemmel a bit. Give him SOME credit, he has a decent bit of range in his voice. Just look at many of the roles he did at 4Kids when they were still a thing. While the dubs weren't good by any stretch, he still did a good job, as did most of their actors. He's not Dan Green, who only has a few variations on his voice, at best. Sean can actually modify his tone a bit. The fact that his Goku voice is a voice he puts on certainly helps. The whole point of Black's voice is to let the actors of Goku show their range. I will admit, the range is more pronounced with Nozawa, but I think Sean could do a good job if he & Sabat watched the arc & listened to what Nozawa was doing & go from there. The entire point of Black's voice is 'what if Goku were serious all the time?' with a bit of arrogance mixed in. He's supposed to be unnerving as we see Goku's body used as a tool for evil. Sean could have a blast with that. I don't see how it couldn't be good if they did it like that.

I've given him plenty of credit, I think he can probably pull off Goku Black if he works at it. However, I don't think he can fully integrate Zamasu's tone with Goku's voice. I think his option is to compromise both to find middle ground, and while he hasn't succeeded yet, with the latest performance, I'm confident in saying that less Goku and more Zamasu is a better choice than trying to rework Goku's to fit a character that's inconsistent with every precedent that voice has been built on.

[Scsigs]

I've given him plenty of credit, I think he can probably pull off Goku Black if he works at it. However, I don't think he can fully integrate Zamasu's tone with Goku's voice. I think his option is to compromise both to find middle ground, and while he hasn't succeeded yet, with the latest performance, I'm confident in saying that less Goku and more Zamasu is a better choice than trying to rework Goku's to fit a character that's inconsistent with every precedent that voice has been built on.

Why would he need to integrate them both? He just needs a more serious version of his Goku voice, maybe using some inflections Zamasu's voice actor is going to use, depending on who records first. It's Goku's body with Zamasu's mind inside of it, not a fusion or warping of Zamasu's body. That comes later. It only makes sense to go off of his Goku voice to make the character sound distinct from Goku & Zamasu, but still sound like Zamasu speaking in Goku's voice to an extent, or something like that. Black already has tons of dialogue about how he hates mortals, so there's not much else to do there. He just needs to use the voice, but played serious & arrogant 100% of the time rather than just when Goku fights. That's what Nozawa did & it only makes sense.

[Sonicjamareiz]

Don't know if posted before some audible voices of English dub Zamasu https://m.YouTube.com/?tab=w1#/watch?v=ENr5UQ0eepE

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Don't know if posted before some audible voices of English dub Zamasu https://m.YouTube.com/?tab=w1#/watch?v=ENr5UQ0eepE

Any idea who it is? Can't quite make it out.

Also someone said they heard Sean say Rosé not Rose so that's a relief. Though in the show I think they only said Rosé a couple times so wouldn't have been that big of a deal anyway.

[NintendoBlaze53]

We have heard ONE line and a bunch of grunts, and already everyone is judging it. Can we just wait till the DLC comes out on Tuesday and THEN judge? Seriously we're comparing Sean saying one line to Nozawa voicing Black over 17 episodes......

[Jinzoningen MULE]

We have heard ONE line and a bunch of grunts, and already everyone is judging it. Can we just wait till the DLC comes out on Tuesday and THEN judge? Seriously we're comparing Sean saying one line to Nozawa voicing Black over 17 episodes......

Unless he chose an entirely different voice for the lines we heard than anything else, there's no need to wait.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

So... it seems like we were being overly-generous to Schemmel with Goku Black. According to him, he didn't actually change anything for Rose. That means that his intent is to turn his posh accent on and off depending on whether Black is transformed, which is... it's just the worst thing we could've expected.

Save us God-Emperor Sabat!

(In all seriousness, I'm still expecting it to improve, I just think posh speak exclusively for Rose is dumb. At least have a hint of it in his regular voice.)

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Sean's, Rosé is sweet! Love it! Hope he carries it over to Super.

So... it seems like we were being overly-generous to Schemmel with Goku Black. According to him, he didn't actually change anything for Rose. That means that his intent is to turn his posh accent on and off depending on whether Black is transformed, which is... it's just the worst thing we could've expected.

Save us God-Emperor Sabat!

(In all seriousness, I'm still expecting it to improve, I just think posh speak exclusively for Rose is dumb. At least have a hint of it in his regular voice.)

He said for thendlc, in other words he was clarifying that the Base Black already on XV2 is unchanged. He didn't mention anything about Super.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Sean's, Rosé is sweet! Love it! Hope he carries it over to Super.

Heretic!

He said for the dlc, in other words he was clarifying that the Base Black already on XV2 is unchanged. He didn't mention anything about Super.

What does that have to do with anything? Obviously, he hasn't actually recorded it for Super yet, but this is going to be the foundation for the approach he takes there. He may tweak or improve it, but he won't change the entire thing fundamentally later just cause. He's obviously fine with it as-is, else he wouldn't of chosen this approach in the first place.