I think Gowasu was just emphasizing the importance of the object. Is Vegetto a god because he has Potara? No. As far as Gowasu understands it, there is some other procedure that needs to take place before Zamasu can be officially recognized as a Kaioshin.kidhero1000 wrote:Didn't Gowasu mentioned he was temporarily giving him Supreme Kai status by giving him the the Potara in the first place?
The answer is "no" only because Goku and Vegeta aren't Shinjins. There is this factor to be analyzed too.batistabus wrote:Is Vegetto a god because he has Potara? No.
But seriously I think he will have Zamasu defuse have Trunks take out drained Black, Zamasu proves to be too much with his immortality and they call Zen-Oh. Let's just hope Toyo remembers to draw Trunks next chapter in the least...
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straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon, that's why I love it, and I Love his transformation 
You make fair points. But I guess what I'm trying to get across is that throwing "generic" energy blasts hasn't stopped other character who use them from being worth while. Like with Freeza comes to mind.TKA wrote:
That's the point. Most are the same, but different colors. The ones that stand out are the exceptions and they inform the characters that use them. They're not just there for "coolness," but to actual enhance the drama and character-building. There's more I could've gone into, like Tenshinhan's life-draining, murder-focused Kikoho, which both tell you all you need to know about him.
That's what Zamas lacked. His big super move was there only to look cool. You could get into some meta commentary and say that it's ostentatious but generic to reflect Zamas being a cool concept for a character, but ultimately a shallow rendition of said concept. That, however, makes it even worse.
I understand that we have only seen Kaioshin create (Summon?) them. But what I don't understand is why that makes it more thoughtful. It may have backstory, however small, but the presentation is still just Zamasu throwing what is, more or less, the universes hardest brick. Chucking building blocks is hardly what I'd call godly. It may have lore but it isn't much. Do we even know where it comes from? Is it something only Kaioshin can make/summon or is he just pulling it out of somewhere? I actually don't know.TKA wrote:No, I've given them just the right amount of credit. In this series, they've only been used by gods. The more important part is Kaioshin create, and he's creating something (and not something made of ki) to hurl at them. He's a Saiyan and a God, and he's exhibiting both qualities using the series' established lore.
Also, each time I add that it's silly and not that big a deal, but it's way more thoughtful than anything the anime did with Zamas' moveset. Also bear in mind that I only brought this up because someone thought the Katchin-throwing was unimaginative and stupid.
Normal Gods don't run around with Halos or Wings. Self righteous gods like Zamasu who want to prove just how above it all he is, and doing it in the most immature way possible, totally comes off as a character who would give himself a Halo and make a big show with Giant bird person. It fits his personality of being over the top and ridiculous.TKA wrote:That would do a good job of it in any other series. Gods in dragonball don't run around with halos and angel wings. Zamas' shit is out of context. It's generic JRPG final boss nonsense that isn't making use of Dragonball's lore. This could've been fine if the attack wasn't just meant to look cool, while in essence being just a big ki blast. If this attack actually did something special that added to his character, then calling the manga's use of Katchin unimaginative and bad would have some actual basis.
I believe that no matter how much the universe depended on it, Goku just wanted to accept Vegeta's decision because he knows how proud he is and would never want to merge again.Lord Beerus wrote:Goku and Vegeta not only initially turning the potara, but taking turns in fighting Merged Zamasu, annoyed me so bloody fucking much. For the all the shit that people give Goku and Vegeta not taking fights seriously in the anime, that scenario in the manga was far worse than anything has done so far. Why they hell would they think fighting Zamasu individually would work? They pulled this stunt in Resurrection F and the Majin Boo arc, and I really didn't like it in either of those scenarios because it undercuts the tension of the battle by making the protagonists seems like idiots and actively giving the antagonist a chance to win. I can at least tolerate those two instances because Goku and Vegeta had no idea how strong Kid Boo and Freeza were. But the scenario with Merged Zamasu inexcusable. Merged Zamasu literally kicked their buts at the same time with little effort, and they still would think it would be a good idea to turn down fusion and then take turns in him fighting him? Morons. Absolute morons they are. As well as total blood knights. Future Trunks and Gowasu should have slapped the shit out of both of them for doing that. And Supreme Kai should have torn into them like no tomorrow for pulling this shit again. Because it's obvious the are really not taking this whole scenario seriously and still treat it like a game.
Other than that, as I've said before, the hand-to-hand fight choreography was nice, the art as usual was great and of course Vegetto returning was nice. But I just can't help bult feel how less spectacular the whole battle is with Merged Zamasu against everyone else. Toyotaro also really needs to cut down on the homages, too. It once every once in a while but there were a bit too many in this chapter for my liking. It just seemed a bit uncreative on his part.
While the power logic was all kinds of muddled in the anime, it made up for it with moments of that felt really grand and visually pleasing. Regardless, I appreciate that the manga is taking the more power/strength logical approach to the story, even if makes the narrative and grandeur of the battles far less interesting. And even if the manga itself can get a bit shaky with the power scaling at times.
I liked that Merged Zamasu used more Kaioshin-like techniques, but I really wished he would have been more unique with his abilities and techniques like he was in the anime. I mean, surely there's way more he could do than just spam Katchin?
Vegetto's return and fight with Merged Zamasu was shot but was sweet, just like in the anime. And Vegetto's fashion of him cutting off Merged Zamasu's hands was awesome and the highlight of the whole chapter.
The speech from Future Trunks to Vegeta about Bulma was nice but felt a bit unnecessary. Especially to serve as motive for Vegeta to fuse with Goku. But the intent was very well founded emotionally given the nature of Future Trunks' relationship with Vegeta and Bulma.
The chapter was alright but really disappointing in some areas.
EDIT: Hooray!! Vegerot is still a thing.
It wasn't necessarily a lie, he transformed in a time of desperation. It's entirely probable that he wouldn't have lasted long at all, but he and Vegeta fused and ate the last Senzu before we got a chance to see.KidGokuDB wrote:Another little nitpick I have with the current chapter: Why did Goku lie to Trunks about having no more energy left to go Blue after the Mafuba? I mean clearly he did. There's even a little panel where Trunks questions this. So random.
But he did not have the energy to go full power on SSB. It was a moment of desperation, in which he tried to attack Gattai Zamasu with everything he hadKidGokuDB wrote:Another little nitpick I have with the current chapter: Why did Goku lie to Trunks about having no more energy left to go Blue after the Mafuba? I mean clearly he did. There's even a little panel where Trunks questions this. So random.
I get that reference! Maybe Toyotaro is a fan of Darth Vader. He uses a lot of homages in his panels. I saw Cell, Evil Boo as well.The gr wrote:I find your lack of faith disturbingMerged zamasu didn't even have the awesome rpg attack from his Anime counterparts, Instead he throw blocks,I can't wait in xenoverse to have a trowing block move for zamas, another negative in this version, seriously, toyotaro needs to get out of the safe zone once this is over,I will be pissed if he removed Basil cool figthing style/transformation
Toyotaro is a star wars fan no doubt, This the third time he made a homage to Stars warsHugo Boss wrote:I get that reference! Maybe Toyotaro is a fan of Darth Vader. He uses a lot of homages in his panels. I saw Cell, Evil Boo as well.The gr wrote:I find your lack of faith disturbing
Not much to say of the chapter, the outcome will probably be similar to the anime. I just don't know how Trunks would take the charge. It felt little was told this month.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
He is a good artist, but I still prefer Toyotaro thoughmfwlegend3 wrote:Young Jijii's take on the Vegetto Blue introduction page.
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It looks better than some of Toyotaro's art, but Toyotaro seems to be rushing these chapters, it shows in the art style, if not, his art is pretty great and my preferred onejeffbr92 wrote:He is a good artist, but I still prefer Toyotaro thoughmfwlegend3 wrote:Young Jijii's take on the Vegetto Blue introduction page.
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The Viz adaptation has always called him that.Pluto wrote:Vegerot? Really? Since when?
Yep. I wrote this already (somewhere else), but: It may be surprising, but it's also consistent. Viz always called him that.dbgtFO wrote:The Viz adaptation has always called him that.Pluto wrote:Vegerot? Really? Since when?
