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Post by LuckyCat » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:39 am

ABED wrote:But the characters aren't telling a story, they are just reiterating what's on screen and sure don't have the same passion as JR. A great wrestling announcer doesn't just say what moves are happening on screen, they try to convey to the audience what the wrestlers are going through, their strategies, etc. And the stunner isn't a simple move, it's his finisher. Of course the announcers are going to hype it up, it's what he uses to finish the match. In DB, characters won't provide commentary, they often just describe what is happening on screen like it's radio.
Okay, maybe the stunner wasn't the best example, but the point is WWE announcers tend to overtalk everything, not just finishers. It builds up drama. Similarly, Krillin might say "wow, Recoome's attack was so powerful it blew up part of Namek" even if it's clear the animation is showing us just that because it adds extra weight to the action on screen. I agree that DB tends to overdo it for padding reasons, but there's an auxiliary dramatic function to it.

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Post by jeffbr92 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:54 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:This Genki Dama theme is pretty neat :). You can feel the hope in times of despair, the light in the darkness when hearing it, it's amazing.
I always though that was the actual Genki Dama theme, but it's a nice track too
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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by ABED » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:00 pm

LuckyCat wrote:
ABED wrote:But the characters aren't telling a story, they are just reiterating what's on screen and sure don't have the same passion as JR. A great wrestling announcer doesn't just say what moves are happening on screen, they try to convey to the audience what the wrestlers are going through, their strategies, etc. And the stunner isn't a simple move, it's his finisher. Of course the announcers are going to hype it up, it's what he uses to finish the match. In DB, characters won't provide commentary, they often just describe what is happening on screen like it's radio.
Okay, maybe the stunner wasn't the best example, but the point is WWE announcers tend to overtalk everything, not just finishers. It builds up drama. Similarly, Krillin might say "wow, Recoome's attack was so powerful it blew up part of Namek" even if it's clear the animation is showing us just that because it adds extra weight to the action on screen. I agree that DB tends to overdo it for padding reasons, but there's an auxiliary dramatic function to it.
I don't think that builds up drama to tell us what we're seeing on screen. What weight is added to hear what we are seeing without adding anything to it?
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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by LuckyCat » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:14 pm

ABED wrote:I don't think that builds up drama to tell us what we're seeing on screen. What weight is added to hear what we are seeing?
A planet is being partially destroyed. If a planet is destroyed it could mean dire consequences for the inhabitants. I think this is one of the more favorable examples, though. Can you give a specific line that you didn't think was necessary? I don't recall Krillin's "Goku got punched in the face" line.

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Post by ABED » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:00 pm

LuckyCat wrote:
ABED wrote:I don't think that builds up drama to tell us what we're seeing on screen. What weight is added to hear what we are seeing?
A planet is being partially destroyed. If a planet is destroyed it could mean dire consequences for the inhabitants. I think this is one of the more favorable examples, though. Can you give a specific line that you didn't think was necessary? I don't recall Krillin's "Goku got punched in the face" line.
We are seeing it being partially destroyed. If he says what we're seeing on screen, that's literally adding nothing. If he says that could be dire consequences and maybe elaborates, that's commentary, otherwise it's descriptions for the blind. There are hundreds of episodes and I can't recall a specific example. I just know that it happened a lot.
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Post by Cipher » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:10 am

Cell really gets shat on cosmically. His two greatest legacies are providing the catalyst for Mr. Satan's entering the history books (along with the public story that he was soundly defeated by him), and screwing himself over in an alternate timeline.

I'm not sure any other villain gets it that bad.

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Post by ABED » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:25 am

Cipher wrote:and screwing himself over in an alternate timeline.

I'm not sure any other villain gets it that bad.
Are you referring to GT?
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Post by Cipher » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:33 pm

ABED wrote:Are you referring to GT?
I'm referring to the Cell who loses a cosmic coin flip and winds up in the timeline where Trunks is able to kill him because another Cell had already failed in the past.

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Post by ABED » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:03 pm

Cipher wrote:
ABED wrote:Are you referring to GT?
I'm referring to the Cell who loses a cosmic coin flip and winds up in the timeline where Trunks is able to kill him because another Cell had already failed in the past.
RIght. I can't believe I forgot that. I don't think that's a knock against him, though I guess that combined with the Mr. Satan thing is pretty bad.
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Post by kinisking » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:21 pm

So, in the English dub, Future Gohan and boo saga Gohan have different voice actors right? They sound pretty different. What's the reason ?
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:35 pm

kinisking wrote:So, in the English dub, Future Gohan and boo saga Gohan have different voice actors right? They sound pretty different. What's the reason ?
You realize you can just check the ending credits for this kind of thing? They're two different VA's, and they sound different because they're separate people. Not sure why the decision was made, but I think both make an alright Gohan.
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Post by kinisking » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:04 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
kinisking wrote:So, in the English dub, Future Gohan and boo saga Gohan have different voice actors right? They sound pretty different. What's the reason ?
You realize you can just check the ending credits for this kind of thing? They're two different VA's, and they sound different because they're separate people. Not sure why the decision was made, but I think both make an alright Gohan.
I was like 99 percent certain they were different for various reasons, so I didn't think it was worth checking. I phrased it like that because I didn't want to phrase it like I was certain and then be wrong haha. I prefer Future Gohan personally. It sounds so damn heroic and badass. The boo saga Gohan makes for a really good high school Gohan, but bog onwards it should've been Future Gohan .
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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by Gog » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:56 pm

What was King Cold refereed to as in the manga? As in what was his title.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:15 pm

Gog wrote:What was King Cold refereed to as in the manga? As in what was his title.
Glancing through the Viz version, I don't see his name mentioned at all. He's just Freeza's father.
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Post by Bansho64 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:57 pm

kinisking wrote:I prefer Future Gohan personally. It sounds so damn heroic and badass. The boo saga Gohan makes for a really good high school Gohan, but bog onwards it should've been Future Gohan .
Yeah, I gotta agree with ya here bro. Even though I do like Gohan's character in the Boo arc, I still Future Gohan edges him out purely because of how awesome he is and the feats we saw his character strive for on screen. He's way more built and seems like a way better fighter than the Gohan in present. And the his tragic story is really compelling imo.

One thing I really like about him is his similarities to Goku (in appearances). I think they carry over better to him than they do to the present Gohan. And he really pulls off the the blue and orange gi a lot better as well. The name on the back and the longer sleeves are a great touch. They really add their own personality to it.

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Post by Guesswhoo » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:51 am

I don't know if this is a good place to talk about this but do you guys think that if DBS flop, the overall Dragon ball anime sink with it ? Because I think this is why many people still stick with DBS.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:14 am

Guesswhoo wrote:I don't know if this is a good place to talk about this but do you guys think that if DBS flop, the overall Dragon ball anime sink with it ? Because I think this is why many people still stick with DBS.
Well GT and Kai were both flops and the old DB and Z didn't sink so no. There is no hidden agenda to as why people watch DBS, you only watch and continue to watch something you enjoy even people who act like they hate show deep down enjoy it otherwise they wouldn't still watch. Also this isn't 2015 we are out the realm of discussing Super being a flop, it has proven otherwise and keeps getting stronger. It will no doubt eventually come down from it's peak sure but Super will never be considered a flop.

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Post by SuperSalt » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:00 am

How many arcs do you think we are going to get from Super? I hope for a lot. I almost couldn't contain myself when they announced a new DB series, and I hope that it'll go on for a loong time, so long as they don't screw it up. I'm hoping for at least 3-4 arcs after the Universe Survival arc.

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:14 am

Is guess this a bit of an unpopular opinion, but I never liked Future Gohan. He's cool and all, but kinda boring. I did Clarke's performance however.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:29 am

SuperSalt wrote:How many arcs do you think we are going to get from Super? I hope for a lot. I almost couldn't contain myself when they announced a new DB series, and I hope that it'll go on for a loong time, so long as they don't screw it up. I'm hoping for at least 3-4 arcs after the Universe Survival arc.
I'm expecting the anime to go beyond the 200ep mark, perhaps something close to DBZ's 291eps.
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