DragonBall Z: The Room 29 Productions Dub

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:41 pm

I did some of the Tares/Tulluece clips, and since this was just for fun, and not for the audition, I'll post it here.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/ZUczT ... aU0wTVE9PQ

Probably not best for a female voice, though. XD

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:18 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:I use movie maker a lot. All I have to do is make the movies in seperate clips (like 6 minuets) and just combine them all in the end. And seeing as the movie's only like an hour long, you'd only have about 10 or so clips to put together in the end.

And on the topic of music, why not have an option for Japanese BGM and for Dubbies have a custom soundtrack? And maybe a full screen option (footage from the Third Strike DVD Boxset) and a widescreen option (Dragonbox)?

I mean, I see no harm in that one. Or you could make two types of DVDs, or a two disc special edition or something.

Movie Maker is simply too limited. I have no doubt a skilled video artist could put it to good use, but even if they could it'd only be for showing off "1337 skillz." It's ultimately harder to do.

I don't think there's any need whatsoever to include a Fullscreen option as that'll either result in a larger disc-image for people to download (or require more expensive blank Dual Layer media to be purchased)*. Not only that, but the FUNi footage doesn't match up to the D.Box stuff exactly, and would require an timecode offset. All-in-all, it's more work and raises the possibility of more bumps along the road.

And two DVDs is just overkill.

The way it looks now, we will have ONE DVD, with ONE video track, and possibly THREE audio tracks: one English with New Music; one English with Original Music; one English w/Commentary.

*Both of these things of course depend on how the disc is authored, and if there are any other "special features" that we might want through on it. It's also unclear to me if people wanting/distributing physical copies have DL burners or not, so I don't know where we stand on this and what the right path should be. I think it'll be something to figure out later on, once we've got everyone who will be receiving a disc or disc-image confirmed, and when the content is all good to go.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:34 pm

Hey Acid Reign, could you turn on the FTP server? My little HD issue has now passed and I can obtain all 3 parts of the movie now ^.^

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:59 pm

Eclipse wrote:Hey Acid Reign, could you turn on the FTP server? My little HD issue has now passed and I can obtain all 3 parts of the movie now ^.^

FTP server is on and will continue to be on unless I come in here saying "it's down lol sorry gaiz."

However, we've recently decided to split up the VOBs on a per-editor basis. You're welcome to grab the other files, as others have done, but as far as the project goes we haven't decided who's getting what. Kaboom said we should decide amongst ourselves, though, so uh... draw straws?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:09 pm

Yes, please decide who's going to do which. Along with replacing VAs, getting this stuff decided and underway is one of the biggest concerns right now.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:11 pm

Well I can take part 3 if that's ok. That's from Tullece vs Goku (Kaioken) to the end.
Anyone got any objections?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:12 pm

Eclipse wrote:Well I can take part 3 if that's ok. That's from Tullece vs Goku (Kaioken) to the end.
Anyone got any objections?

Oh, you're just trying to hog the good parts and you know it.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:14 pm

Haha, well I'm cool with it either way.

If you and Arcwave can decide I'll pick whatever's left.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:23 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Eclipse wrote:Well I can take part 3 if that's ok. That's from Tullece vs Goku (Kaioken) to the end.
Anyone got any objections?
Oh, you're just trying to hog the good parts and you know it.

It's the smallest part on the FTP. I'll take audio responsiblities on that part as well

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:07 am

Eclipse wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
Eclipse wrote:Well I can take part 3 if that's ok. That's from Tullece vs Goku (Kaioken) to the end.
Anyone got any objections?
Oh, you're just trying to hog the good parts and you know it.
It's the smallest part on the FTP. I'll take audio responsiblities on that part as well

Well, we'll all essentially be taking on audio responsibilities, since there will be virtually NO video editing here whatsoever... we're not FUNimation; we leave this shit untouched.

What we WILL do is get the polished sound clips from Tenken, the custom BGM and what to do with it from Steven, and then piece it all together along our respective video timelines.

The only video editing that will need to take place will be for the credits, which means you'll be in charge of that, however we decide to do it.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:46 am

Is TenKen still around? Hasn't posted in a long time, and his DBAF.info site hasn't updated. ever.

Arcwave · Post by **Arcwave** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:12 am

Acid_Reign wrote:
If you and Arcwave can decide I'll pick whatever's left.

I'd like to do the beginning up to the growth of the tree. Is that ok?

/j

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:35 am

Eclipse wrote:Well I can take part 3 if that's ok. That's from Tullece vs Goku (Kaioken) to the end.
Anyone got any objections?

OBJECTION!

I'd like Arcwave to handle the more intricate 3rd section- this is gonna be the hardest part! It makes sense to appoint the most skilled editor for the most difficult section (no offense to you, Eclipse

).

Arcwave wrote:
Acid_Reign wrote:
If you and Arcwave can decide I'll pick whatever's left.
I'd like to do the beginning up to the growth of the tree. Is that ok?

/j

As a matter of fact, it isn't.

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Acid wrote: Well, we'll all essentially be taking on audio responsibilities, since there will be virtually NO video editing here whatsoever... we're not FUNimation; we leave this shit untouched.

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Erm... why not? I feel that at the end, when it's raining golden tree, the scenes need to transition smoothly into each other; otherwise, it feels to abrupt and doesn't go well with the soothing and calming 'It's all over' music and feel. What particularly goes well is when the whole Earth is being immersed by some sort of golden aura (slowed down), while the scenes of the people on Earth looking up at the skies, amazed, slowly blend into it. That really works, in my opinion- more so than the original.

Conan wrote:Also Steven, are you holding some grudge against me? You don't seem to reply to my PMs anymore, posts I've made in reply to you, and now you're ignoring commenting on my own audition (along with others). Are you feeling pissed because I had negative feelings about including the original music track since Acid was whipping us together the original Japanese BGM or something else?

... WTF IS THIS SHIT?!

Conan, you're making some wild assumptions... I really don't know where this came from... no, of course I ain't pissed!

'Grudge'? What? 'Japanese track'? What? Keep in mind that I don't look through all the threads and see every comment... but the thread in which your response to the message in my sig got locked, so I couldn't reply. And that PM you gave me made me laugh my ass of so bad I couldn't move my fingers to reply, and after I got distracted and it slipped my mind...

I love ya, man!

I don't hold no grudge against nobody (triple negative)

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:50 am

I'd like Arcwave to handle the more intricate 3rd section- this is gonna be the hardest part! It makes sense to appoint the most skilled editor for the most difficult section (no offense to you, Eclipse ).

What are you talking about? I'm skilled =/
'Sides, like Acid mentioned, the video should be untouched. If everyone wants this part edited and that part faded and what not, we'll be just like good ol FUNimation (Because we know if they would do so if they could - thank god for consumer aware for uncut products!)

And I'm taking that section now. It's mine =P

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:00 am

Steven Perry wrote:... WTF IS THIS SHIT?! Conan, you're making some wild assumptions... I really don't know where this came from... no, of course I ain't pissed! 'Grudge'? What? 'Japanese track'? What? Keep in mind that I don't look through all the threads and see every comment... but the thread in which your response to the message in my sig got locked, so I couldn't reply. And that PM you gave me made me laugh my ass of so bad I couldn't move my fingers to reply, and after I got distracted and it slipped my mind...

What can I say, I get paranoid? And good to see my PM had ya' rolling.

Steven Perry wrote:I love ya, man! I don't hold no grudge against nobody (triple negative)

No grudge at all! Hell, I'll show ya' around Otakon when you come looking for your destiny next year.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:15 am

Eclipse wrote:And I'm taking that section now. It's mine =P

Well, I guess... that's the spirit?

If there's a firm decision to not edit the video (honestly, I don't see why not), then putting in the music and making it go with the visuals is gonna be impossible. I'm not asking for too much editing- just slight extensions and shortening of scenes...

Here's a video I just put together to show you how editing the footage is unnoticeable (in my opinion).

Video description: 'This is a comparison of uncut, unedited Movie 3 footage (with Japanese BGM and UK voices), with edited Room 29 footage and custom music. My purpose is to justify editing the footage:

For one, it's not really noticeable, and secondly... if it wasn't edited, the music would be out-of-sync.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaT9xKeqkIY

NOTE: The Japanese one comes first; R29 second.

Oh yeah, and apologies for using the UK dub... it's the only English version with Japanese music that I own.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:05 am

bkev wrote:Is TenKen still around? Hasn't posted in a long time, and his DBAF.info site hasn't updated. ever.

We're not sure if he is or not, but that is the job assigned to him and so until I hear otherwise it's who we're counting on for audio processing.

Steven Perry wrote:I'd like Arcwave to handle the more intricate 3rd section- this is gonna be the hardest part! It makes sense to appoint the most skilled editor for the most difficult section (no offense to you, Eclipse ).

What? How'd you get it into your head that Arcwave was the best? I'm certainly not dissing him at all; I've been impressed with what I've seen from him so far, but hell, have you even seen anything of mine or Eclipse's? I don't know about him, but I've been editing my own videos for about three years now; I know my way around an NLE. I'm not offended or anything, but if you're going to single people out like that, at least get the facts first.

As a matter of fact, it isn't.

Is this a joke? That's fine.

Erm... why not? I feel that at the end, when it's raining golden tree, the scenes need to transition smoothly into each other; otherwise, it feels to abrupt and doesn't go well with the soothing and calming 'It's all over' music and feel. What particularly goes well is when the whole Earth is being immersed by some sort of golden aura (slowed down), while the scenes of the people on Earth looking up at the skies, amazed, slowly blend into it. That really works, in my opinion- more so than the original.

What you feel makes no difference, because the animation, video, and all of the artistic decisions have already been made. Toei decided how this would look years ago. We don't need to undo any of that work. I mean, it was a stretch enough to go back on what appeared to be the project's original scope (being truer to the original than any of the other dubs currently out there) by rescoring the music—which sounds great by the way, though that's beside the point—but now we're going to go and change the way the scenes play out? Come on. I don't think it gets any more hypocritical for the fans to say, "Well why can't the dubbing companies just leave the titles alone? Why do they have to mess with them?" and then go and do JUST THAT in a fandub. Honestly, what's the thought process here?

And I mean, if the change is "not really noticeable," why bother doing it at all?

It doesn't matter anyway though because if we start mixing and matching and doing a bunch of fades and shit it'd completely mess up the timecode, which we are following to a very fine point to eliminate unnecessary guesswork and keep everything in-sync.

So tell me, how difficult is it to going to be for you to just let this movie alone...?

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:40 am

Acid_Reign wrote:
Steven Perry wrote:I'd like Arcwave to handle the more intricate 3rd section- this is gonna be the hardest part! It makes sense to appoint the most skilled editor for the most difficult section (no offense to you, Eclipse ).
What? How'd you get it into your head that Arcwave was the best?

Hmmm... let me see...

The Trico Films website wrote: Recently, Trico Films has been making quite the name for themselves in the press. Their five minute short film, Two Brothers, which was composed by multi Emmy Award-winning film composer Carl Johnson, debuted on the North West TV special, Evening Magazine, and made front page of the Everett Herald and Monroe Monitor newspapers. Because of these successes, all three of the boys earned entrepreneurial scholarships each worth $45,000 through the McKelvey Foundation. College is completely paid off. The school the boys will be attending is the University of Washington-Bothell campus in the Fall.

Plus, I really enjoyed the 'Two Brothers' movie. I know, this doesn't automatically mean he's better at editing than the rest of you and all that (hell, I'm not even sure who edited it

)... but their work had a bigger impression on me than Eclipse's AMVs (Acid, I haven't seen any of your stuff by the way) due to how dramatic it was; I was basing my opinion of 'who is the most skilled editor' on that- and not observing the editing, which is a big, stupid, mistake. That's just me going by my feelings and not stopping to think.

Acid wrote:...have you even seen anything of mine or Eclipse's? I don't know about him, but I've been editing my own videos for about three years now; I know my way around an NLE. I'm not offended or anything, but if you're going to single people out like that, at least get the facts first.

You're right; I haven't seen any of your videos, and should of thought about it before I made that comment. I had no idea that you've been making videos for three years. I'll make it habitual for me to get the facts right before I start throwing around comments like that.

Acid wrote:
Steven wrote:As a matter of fact, it isn't.
Is this a joke? That's fine.

Hee hee hee...

Acid wrote:...now we're going to go and change the way the scenes play out? Come on. I don't think it gets any more hypocritical for the fans to say, "Well why can't the dubbing companies just leave the titles alone? Why do they have to mess with them?" and then go and do JUST THAT in a fandub. Honestly, what's the thought process here?

The thought process is... I didn't know fans were so touchy about this kind of stuff; I know I'm not.

I simply thought that it could be edited so that the audio and visuals would work better...

Acid wrote:And I mean, if the change is "not really noticeable," why bother doing it at all?

If it's not edited, then the consequent untimely placing of the music will make it noticeable (or less good). But, I know this is something I can't get you people to agree to, so the music itself will have to be edited... which is more difficult. If it doesn't work well, we'll have to find something else... but these scores were made for other films and it's highly unlikely it will work.

Acid wrote:It doesn't matter anyway though because if we start mixing and matching and doing a bunch of fades and shit it'd completely mess up the timecode, which we are following to a very fine point to eliminate unnecessary guesswork and keep everything in-sync.

'Messing up the timecode', huh? Assuming I understand what you mean, that's why I thought it would be a better idea to assign the chapters using pictures instead of numbers.

Acid wrote:So tell me, how difficult is it to going to be for you to just let this movie alone...?

Easy.

I just want the project to be the best it can be...

Arcwave · Post by **Arcwave** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:57 pm

Ah! I really appreciate you guys recommending me for certain parts, but I don't want this turning into a huge debate. I'll take whatever is available. You guys are all great editors IMO.

/j

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:16 pm

What? How'd you get it into your head that Arcwave was the best? I'm certainly not dissing him at all; I've been impressed with what I've seen from him so far, but hell, have you even seen anything of mine or Eclipse's? I don't know about him, but I've been editing my own videos for about three years now; I know my way around an NLE. I'm not offended or anything, but if you're going to single people out like that, at least get the facts first.

I agree, I have a good amount of experience with a NLE (Sony Vegas

)

Plus, I really enjoyed the 'Two Brothers' movie. I know, this doesn't automatically mean he's better at editing than the rest of you and all that (hell, I'm not even sure who edited it Confused )... but their work had a bigger impression on me than Eclipse's AMVs (Acid, I haven't seen any of your stuff by the way) due to how dramatic it was; I was basing my opinion of 'who is the most skilled editor' on that- and not observing the editing, which is a big, stupid, mistake. That's just me going by my feelings and not stopping to think.

.......=/
You do realize editing a movie is a lot different than editing an AMV?
Besides, whichever one you've seen (I'm guessing it's the Death Note one), they're dated =/ I've got a lot more experience now.

It doesn't matter anyway though because if we start mixing and matching and doing a bunch of fades and shit it'd completely mess up the timecode, which we are following to a very fine point to eliminate unnecessary guesswork and keep everything in-sync.

Yeah, I agree with this. We don't screw things up any more than it should =/
'sides, Steve, you realize audio is editable too, right?
Right?
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