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Son_Gohan
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by Son_Gohan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:31 pm
cheddarsword wrote:miguelnuva1 wrote:
Ultimate isn't an official term either other than the American video games last I checked.
And since the video games are the only form of licensed media to use the term
The guidebook,
DB Extreme Battle Collection: Round 02, uses the term "Ultimate" / アルティメット as well:
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cheddarsword
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by cheddarsword » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:33 am
Son_Gohan wrote:cheddarsword wrote:miguelnuva1 wrote:
Ultimate isn't an official term either other than the American video games last I checked.
And since the video games are the only form of licensed media to use the term
The guidebook,
DB Extreme Battle Collection: Round 02, uses the term "Ultimate" / アルティメット as well:
Meh. Didn't know about other media outlets using the term.
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precita
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by precita » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:00 am
Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it? When Freeza came to Earth and during the exhibition matches he was likely fighting at SSJ2 level again.
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Jinzoningen MULE
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:15 am
precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it? When Freeza came to Earth and during the exhibition matches he was likely fighting at SSJ2 level again.
It doesn't even seem that he forgot. More like he just...
didn't. Granted, he was never in a situation where it would have accomplished much in retrospect, but the latest episode kinda did a shit job at reintroducing it, and actually lines up pretty well with a joke prediction I made a couple of months back.
Retired.
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Saturnine
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by Saturnine » Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:26 am
nickzambuto wrote:Saturnine wrote:Nothing really indicated that he stopped being Mythical after he died, I'm not really inclined to believe that.
If anything is funnier than calling him Mystic Gohan, it's Mythical Gohan.
Hahaha I know right?
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cheddarsword
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by cheddarsword » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:55 am
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it? When Freeza came to Earth and during the exhibition matches he was likely fighting at SSJ2 level again.
It doesn't even seem that he forgot. More like he just...
didn't. Granted, he was never in a situation where it would have accomplished much in retrospect, but the latest episode kinda did a shit job at reintroducing it, and actually lines up pretty well with a joke prediction I made a couple of months back.
Yeah they really could have done better here. Well, maybe the manga will get it right. Eventually...
At any rate, at least he still has access to the form.
But with the way he entered it, it almost makes me want to call it Super Saiyan Black rather than Ultimate. The cropped hair doesn't help matters.
And then Piccolo just HAD to mention gaining more power... so to put it into Tien's terms: Ultra Ultimate? Mega Ultimate? Maximum Over Ultimate?
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by GigaDrill » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:02 am
cheddarsword wrote:Jinzoningen MULE wrote:precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it? When Freeza came to Earth and during the exhibition matches he was likely fighting at SSJ2 level again.
It doesn't even seem that he forgot. More like he just...
didn't. Granted, he was never in a situation where it would have accomplished much in retrospect, but the latest episode kinda did a shit job at reintroducing it, and actually lines up pretty well with a joke prediction I made a couple of months back.
Yeah they really could have done better here. Well, maybe the manga will get it right. Eventually...
At any rate, at least he still has access to the form.
But with the way he entered it, it almost makes me want to call it Super Saiyan Black rather than Ultimate. The cropped hair doesn't help matters.
And then Piccolo just HAD to mention gaining more power... so to put it into Tien's terms: Ultra Ultimate? Mega Ultimate? Maximum Over Ultimate?
Naturally leading into Ultimate Form 2 of course
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Saturnine
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by Saturnine » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:23 am
Kaboom wrote:Super isn't really doing anything different than what practically every Toei-heralded project has always done... Contrary to how the manga portrayed it as a permanent change, the animated stuff has treated "Ultimate" like a transformation for Gohan ever since Z movie 13. GT's the only thing that didn't do it that way, and oddly thus fit best with what the manga showed.
Yeah, kinda like how Saiyan beyond God was supposed to be the new permanent base state. They dropped that concept just as quickly, creating the whole debate about two bases.
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by cheddarsword » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:36 am
GigaDrill wrote:cheddarsword wrote:Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
It doesn't even seem that he forgot. More like he just... didn't. Granted, he was never in a situation where it would have accomplished much in retrospect, but the latest episode kinda did a shit job at reintroducing it, and actually lines up pretty well with a joke prediction I made a couple of months back.
Yeah they really could have done better here. Well, maybe the manga will get it right. Eventually...
At any rate, at least he still has access to the form.
But with the way he entered it, it almost makes me want to call it Super Saiyan Black rather than Ultimate. The cropped hair doesn't help matters.
And then Piccolo just HAD to mention gaining more power... so to put it into Tien's terms: Ultra Ultimate? Mega Ultimate? Maximum Over Ultimate?
Naturally leading into Ultimate Form 2 of course
Ultimate Gohan Grade 2... Oy... just what we need...
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by Grimlock » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:46 pm
precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it?
No, because in order to transform into the Ultimate, Gohan needs to power up just like going Super Saiyan. That's precisely what Ro Kaioshin said. So if Gohan can power up to Super Saiyan, he can't forget how to power up to Ultimate, if it is the same way.
Son_Gohan wrote:The guidebook, DB Extreme Battle Collection: Round 02, uses the term "Ultimate" / アルティメット as well
Dragon Ball Heroes also uses that term.
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by cheddarsword » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:28 pm
Grimlock wrote:precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it?
No, because in order to transform into the Ultimate, Gohan needs to power up just like going Super Saiyan. That's precisely what Ro Kaioshin said. So if Gohan can power up to Super Saiyan, he can't forget how to power up to Ultimate, if it is the same way.
Son_Gohan wrote:The guidebook, DB Extreme Battle Collection: Round 02, uses the term "Ultimate" / アルティメット as well
Dragon Ball Heroes also uses that term.
Considering that Gohan isn't a true fighter and has, for the most part, preferred not to fight, I would suggest that perhaps he inadvertently created a mental block that prevented him from accessing that power. Think about it. He changed when he had it before. Maybe it scared him. Maybe he didn't like what he thought he would become if he gave into that again.
Piccolo states that he got drunk on that power. The same could be said when he went SS2 against Cell.
Every time he gets a power boost, his personality changes. That may be enough to make him afraid of it.
