Things that grind your gears

[Ki Breaker]

Recently, the super section discussions, if it's even fair to call it that.

The sheer level of arrogance, inability to learn and unhealthy obsessions over favorite characters going on in that section is very repulsive..

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Recently, the super section discussions, if it's even fair to call it that.

The sheer level of arrogance, inability to learn and unhealthy obsessions over favorite characters going on in that section is very repulsive..

I've made the decision to just say my piece and leave if it gets annoying. It's too much of a pain having so much cancer clogging notifications.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Fans saying that the God and God Arc and Resurection F Arc can be skipped by using the premise that "they are retellings of the movies that we have already seen and that have better animation quality, more consitency and less padding", then by that logic 85% of Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z can be skipped due to them being a "retelling of the manga that you have already read that has better drawing quality, consistency and less padding." And that's not even mentioning all the "filler" episodes or that they have that are inconsequential to the main story.

[ekrolo2]

Fans saying that the God and God Arc and Resurection F Arc can be skipped by using the premise that "they are retellings of the movies that we have already seen and that have better animation quality, more consitency and less padding", then by that logic 85% of Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z can be skipped due to them being a "retelling of the manga that you have already read that has better drawing quality, consistency and less padding." And that's not even mentioning all the "filler" episodes or that they have that are inconsequential to the main story.

I actually think you can say read the manga up until a certain point and just jump into the anime if you want.

[Ki Breaker]

Fans saying that the God and God Arc and Resurection F Arc can be skipped by using the premise that "they are retellings of the movies that we have already seen and that have better animation quality, more consitency and less padding", then by that logic 85% of Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z can be skipped due to them being a "retelling of the manga that you have already read that has better drawing quality, consistency and less padding." And that's not even mentioning all the "filler" episodes or that they have that are inconsequential to the main story.

I am not sure I understand the example..
One is a drawn media on paper while the other is an animation.. there is a big difference between the experience of the two even if they tell the exact same story..

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

I am not sure I understand the example..
One is a drawn media on paper while the other is an animation.. there is a big difference between the experience of the two even if they tell the exact same story..

The different media doesn't change the fact that one is still doing a "retelling" of the other, which is the common argument used when certain fans say "this can be skipped for [this reason]".

[Ki Breaker]

I am not sure I understand the example..
One is a drawn media on paper while the other is an animation.. there is a big difference between the experience of the two even if they tell the exact same story..

The different media doesn't change the fact that one is still doing a "retelling" of the other, which is the common argument used when certain fans say "this can be skipped for [this reason]".

Different media changes the experience so much it might as well be considered a different product ( which technically it is )

I think what most of them try to say is, retelling's animation aren't their cup of tea and it dosen't add much to the story, they prefer not to see something which dosen't look pleasing and who's most of the story the already know of..
If the movies were manga inserted of being anime, the retellings might have more appeal to them

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Fans saying that the God and God Arc and Resurection F Arc can be skipped by using the premise that "they are retellings of the movies that we have already seen and that have better animation quality, more consitency and less padding", then by that logic 85% of Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z can be skipped due to them being a "retelling of the manga that you have already read that has better drawing quality, consistency and less padding." And that's not even mentioning all the "filler" episodes or that they have that are inconsequential to the main story.

It's true, though. If you were to jump straight from the end of the manga to the DBS anime, it coheres just fine too, outside of Gregory's presence at Kaio's planet, but that's so negligible. Similarly, if you were to jump straight from the BoG and RoF movies to Episode 28 of DBS, the only incongruity would be Episode 30, the recap/recruitment episode, in which some specific details from the retellings are mentioned, but it's still very minor stuff.

[emperior]

Fans saying that the God and God Arc and Resurection F Arc can be skipped by using the premise that "they are retellings of the movies that we have already seen and that have better animation quality, more consitency and less padding", then by that logic 85% of Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z can be skipped due to them being a "retelling of the manga that you have already read that has better drawing quality, consistency and less padding." And that's not even mentioning all the "filler" episodes or that they have that are inconsequential to the main story.

It's true, though. If you were to jump straight from the end of the manga to the DBS anime, it coheres just fine too, outside of Gregory's presence at Kaio's planet, but that's so negligible. Similarly, if you were to jump straight from the BoG and RoF movies to Episode 28 of DBS, the only incongruity would be Episode 30, the recap/recruitment episode, in which some specific details from the retellings are mentioned, but it's still very minor stuff.

If you were to jump from the movies to episode 28 you would think SSG Goku is just a little weaker than 70% Beerus, not to mention you wouldn't know why Gohan is training with Piccolo and Super Saiyan Blue would still be incredibly unexplained (and Vegeta obtaining it would be unexplained too)

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Fans saying that the God and God Arc and Resurection F Arc can be skipped by using the premise that "they are retellings of the movies that we have already seen and that have better animation quality, more consitency and less padding", then by that logic 85% of Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z can be skipped due to them being a "retelling of the manga that you have already read that has better drawing quality, consistency and less padding." And that's not even mentioning all the "filler" episodes or that they have that are inconsequential to the main story.

It's true, though. If you were to jump straight from the end of the manga to the DBS anime, it coheres just fine too, outside of Gregory's presence at Kaio's planet, but that's so negligible. Similarly, if you were to jump straight from the BoG and RoF movies to Episode 28 of DBS, the only incongruity would be Episode 30, the recap/recruitment episode, in which some specific details from the retellings are mentioned, but it's still very minor stuff.

If you were to jump from the movies to episode 28 you would think SSG Goku is just a little weaker than 70% Beerus, not to mention you wouldn't know why Gohan is training with Piccolo and Super Saiyan Blue would still be incredibly unexplained (and Vegeta obtaining it would be unexplained too)

...which only matters to the absolute worst, most nitpicking type of fan. SSB was barely explained in the arc, anyway.

[Lord Beerus]

It's true, though. If you were to jump straight from the end of the manga to the DBS anime, it coheres just fine too, outside of Gregory's presence at Kaio's planet, but that's so negligible. Similarly, if you were to jump straight from the BoG and RoF movies to Episode 28 of DBS, the only incongruity would be Episode 30, the recap/recruitment episode, in which some specific details from the retellings are mentioned, but it's still very minor stuff.

If you were to jump from the movies to episode 28 you would think SSG Goku is just a little weaker than 70% Beerus, not to mention you wouldn't know why Gohan is training with Piccolo and Super Saiyan Blue would still be incredibly unexplained (and Vegeta obtaining it would be unexplained too)

...which only matters to the absolute worst, most nitpicking type of fan. SSB was barely explained in the arc, anyway.

The form is explained as much as it could be. It's basically a Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God and blending it together with Super Saiyan.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

If you were to jump from the movies to episode 28 you would think SSG Goku is just a little weaker than 70% Beerus, not to mention you wouldn't know why Gohan is training with Piccolo and Super Saiyan Blue would still be incredibly unexplained (and Vegeta obtaining it would be unexplained too)

...which only matters to the absolute worst, most nitpicking type of fan. SSB was barely explained in the arc, anyway.

The form is explained as much as it could be. It's basically a Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God and blending it together with Super Saiyan.

"A Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God", I believe.

[Lord Beerus]

...which only matters to the absolute worst, most nitpicking type of fan. SSB was barely explained in the arc, anyway.

The form is explained as much as it could be. It's basically a Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God and blending it together with Super Saiyan.

"A Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God", I believe.

Yeah, that's it.

[ekrolo2]

The form is explained as much as it could be. It's basically a Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God and blending it together with Super Saiyan.

"A Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God", I believe.

Yeah, that's it.

Which is confusing now when Goku's got the power of SSGod enhancing him all the time and 4 Super Saiyan variants to pick from to make him stronger. You could say he means he only truly has the power of SSGod in Blue but I'm sick and tired of making elaborate work arounds for this shit.

[emperior]

"A Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God", I believe.

Yeah, that's it.

Which is confusing now when Goku's got the power of SSGod enhancing him all the time and 4 Super Saiyan variants to pick from to make him stronger. You could say he means he only truly has the power of SSGod in Blue but I'm sick and tired of making elaborate work arounds for this shit.

I believe that for simplicity's sake Toriyama has been treating Blue like the only way Goku and Vegeta have to access SSG's power. This change happened ever since U6 arc.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

TFS quotes. It seems everywhere else you go regarding Dragon Ball, there's someone just going "I am the hype", "Dodge", "Fuck power levels and fuck you" etc. I know it's not uncommon on the internet for jokes to be ran into the ground, but most can hardly qualify as jokes in the first place.

This is also the reason why people don't understand that there is a difference between Power Levels and Power Scaling.

No one cares anymore because everyone is so burnt out on the endless power level discussions. If anything, I want DBS to be inconsistent just so these people will go away.

They won't go away because you will see people, take Super's broken scaling, rationalize it with farfetched headcanon and hypothetical premises, or high-ball it for justification just so they apply to it for character hype. If Goku goes SSB on Roshi, expect a video saying Roshi is God tier now.

Even if you don't like the manga, I find it hard to believe that you would genuinely want it to be a mere summary. That's a total degradation of any longevity it could have outside of the most collectorer of collectors. It made sense for the retellings, now it would just be an unnecessary spoiler for a sup-par parent anime.

I'm actually thankful that the manga diverges from the anime's events and shortens them down without the ass-pulls. Toei's plot-nonsense shouldn't be solidified in the "holy"-manga let alone, by an author that knows more about the structure of the series than the staff on the they do.

Nah, even if it was an option, I'd still rather not kill my friends and family even if I knew I could revive them later. I blame this partially on how damn easy the DB's make everything.

That is crux of my problem with death in later Dragon Ball and even in comic books. The characters are so aware that death matters nothing to them that I find reactions to it or hesitation about it odd. Goku is 100% fine with Bulma's parents and hometown being destroyed by Boo because the DBs are around to fix it but Vegetto himself isn't okay with killing the boys & Piccolo even though the same solution applies.

Thats why I don't understand it anymore when a character hears of their family or friends dying and they react with the "I'll never forgive you" rage thing anymore. It only makes it seem like lazy writing for both plot and characterization. Zamasu kills Chi-Chi & Goten in another irrelevant timeline he isn't even from. Yet Goku is still offended by this. The same Goku that did not care about Xeno killing all the survivors of Trunks' timeline though, was offended by them killing an alternative version of his family. I can't tell if this was an inconsistency or Goku being hypocritical or both.

Or like when Goten was torn up seeing Chi-Chi die from Super Buu (which was the first death he ever say, fair enough) only for him to just forget about it and mess around with Buu in the ROST, they get serious after everyone is gone, then mess around with buu more even AFTER knowing he ate all of them. They still mess around after claiming twice they were going to get serious.Then again I really hate Gotenks in general but he is not immune to this flip-flopping.

Like what you said before, they should either care for real about death, or stop this lazy meloderama, because its literally played straight. It's fake, easy, momentary tension and when you consider that, why are the characters even motivated at all?

[The Patrolman]

You know what grinds my gears. Gohan complainers.

[ABED]

Even if you could bring back someone you cared about who got killed, would it still not anger you if they got hurt?

[Kanassa]

Zamasu kills Chi-Chi & Goten in another irrelevant timeline he isn't even from. Yet Goku is still offended by this. The same Goku that did not care about Xeno killing all the survivors of Trunks' timeline though, was offended by them killing an alternative version of his family. I can't tell if this was an inconsistency or Goku being hypocritical or both.

Erasing the timeline was the only way to truly beat Zamasu, and Goku knew that, as well as Goku being the one who called Zeno here. Plus, Zeno at no point taunted or gloated about all the people he killed like Zamasu. Intent is a large factor here for Goku.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Zamasu kills Chi-Chi & Goten in another irrelevant timeline he isn't even from. Yet Goku is still offended by this. The same Goku that did not care about Xeno killing all the survivors of Trunks' timeline though, was offended by them killing an alternative version of his family. I can't tell if this was an inconsistency or Goku being hypocritical or both.

Erasing the timeline was the only way to truly beat Zamasu, and Goku knew that, as well as Goku being the one who called Zeno here. Plus, Zeno at no point taunted or gloated about all the people he killed like Zamasu. Intent is a large factor here for Goku.

Goku didn't know Zeno would immediately do that. The only reason they wrote in Zeno destroying the timeline was just to foreshadow Zeno being unhinged enough to do this specifically for the next arc. I'm just bothered by the impression that Goku would apparently only feel remorse for a failure of that magnitude if it was his timeline.

Even if you could bring back someone you cared about who got killed, would it still not anger you if they got hurt?

That depends, because the series goes back and forth between if that is even relatively considerable.