"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Cauliflowa is gonna be a famous character as long as they don't overdo her bad girl side, her clothes are out of our time as well It's not like they gonna be there when she becomes a fan favorite

89 sounds good, I like the plot of it, I hope Cabba and her fight and she loses, we get to see another side of the personality together with the bad side

[Kanassa]

Hybrids ≠ Full-blooded

Still doesn't change the fact that a 7 and an 8 year old popped into the legendary form with little effort. Not even gohan got it so easily. And he was in the thick of it pretty much all his life.

But it is worth noting that Gohan was able to obtain the form in an artificial setting, yes Goku had cut loose but thats not the same thing as having an alien overlord murdered your friends in cold blood or finding the corpse of your murdered farther/older sibling figure. As long as you have some experience with hardship or loss becoming a SS while training cannot be out of the question. Cabba is a living person and a warrior, he must have experienced such things in his life. As such I see no reason to question him or any saiyan of sufficient power and life experience being able to achieve SS during training.

Edit: Especially with someone to teach them.

You have to remember, Super Saiyan isn't just the trigger, you need to be in a certain realm of power as well before you're able to be pushed to SS. Neither Vegeta nor Gohan became Super Saiyan when they had plenty of rage moments before their transformations in the Android Saga.

[Kanassa]

Cauliflowa is gonna be a famous character as long as they don't overdo her bad girl side, her clothes are out of our time as well It's not like they gonna be there when she becomes a fan favorite

89 sounds good, I like the plot of it, I hope Cabba and her fight and she loses, we get to see another side of the personality together with the bad side

It'll probably be like; she keeps getting her ass kicked and in the tournament she's barely surviving, then suddenly one of her team mates gets cripled and thrown out of te ring which finally unlocks her berserk rage.

[Ki Breaker]

Cauliflowa is gonna be a famous character as long as they don't overdo her bad girl side, her clothes are out of our time as well It's not like they gonna be there when she becomes a fan favorite

89 sounds good, I like the plot of it, I hope Cabba and her fight and she loses, we get to see another side of the personality together with the bad side

It'll probably be like; she keeps getting her ass kicked and in the tournament she's barely surviving, then suddenly one of her team mates gets cripled and thrown out of te ring which finally unlocks her berserk rage.

She has to care about the teammates first for this though, unless she is secretly in love with Cabba and him getting his ass handed make the lady rage flow..


Also, I just noticed

[namekiansaiyan]

This episode is going to be ruined now becuase of a stupid Saiyan. This episode should focus on Roshi and Tien only with an occasional scene with Piccolo and Gohan training and a Yamcha scene.

[SSJ YUSUKE]

As much as I would like to see more strong female characters I still think Caulifla and Kale are the same person. I mean the discription of Kale makes her sound like an angry female Saiyan that Cabe struggles to get along with, which from the little we know sounds exactly like Caulifla

[Ki Breaker]

As much as I would like to see more strong female characters I still think Caulifla and Kale are the same person. I mean the discription of Kale makes her sound like an angry female Saiyan that Cabe struggles to get along with, which from the little we know sounds exactly like Caulifla

The description of kale is a female Saiyan who is even more spineless than Cabba and that's like touching the very bottom of the scale, it's the exact opposite of cauliflowa, you might have confused the descriptions

[SSJ YUSUKE]

As much as I would like to see more strong female characters I still think Caulifla and Kale are the same person. I mean the discription of Kale makes her sound like an angry female Saiyan that Cabe struggles to get along with, which from the little we know sounds exactly like Caulifla

The description of kale is a female Saiyan who is even more spineless than Cabba and that's like touching the very bottom of the scale, it's the exact opposite of cauliflowa, you might have confused the descriptions

Whoops, my bad. Just read the description been behind on the news lately but that's so awesome! I'm so happy that we have two strong female characters!

[Jaetinh]

This episode is going to be ruined now becuase of a stupid Saiyan. This episode should focus on Roshi and Tien only with an occasional scene with Piccolo and Gohan training and a Yamcha scene.

Yeah, gotta agree with you. I was even looking forward to this episode more than the recent episode with Gohan and Piccolo tbh.

I must be the only person on this forum who doesn't give a rat's ass about Kale/Caulifla.

[Ki Breaker]

This episode is going to be ruined now becuase of a stupid Saiyan. This episode should focus on Roshi and Tien only with an occasional scene with Piccolo and Gohan training and a Yamcha scene.

Hey man, that's kinda racist

But seriously, the new Saiyans are pretty unique, it Would be wise to pass a judgment after seeing their personalities as well

[MathSSJ]

Still doesn't change the fact that a 7 and an 8 year old popped into the legendary form with little effort. Not even gohan got it so easily. And he was in the thick of it pretty much all his life.

But it is worth noting that Gohan was able to obtain the form in an artificial setting, yes Goku had cut loose but thats not the same thing as having an alien overlord murdered your friends in cold blood or finding the corpse of your murdered farther/older sibling figure. As long as you have some experience with hardship or loss becoming a SS while training cannot be out of the question. Cabba is a living person and a warrior, he must have experienced such things in his life. As such I see no reason to question him or any saiyan of sufficient power and life experience being able to achieve SS during training.

Edit: Especially with someone to teach them.

You have to remember, Super Saiyan isn't just the trigger, you need to be in a certain realm of power as well before you're able to be pushed to SS. Neither Vegeta nor Gohan became Super Saiyan when they had plenty of rage moments before their transformations in the Android Saga.

Trunks THE STORY contradicts that, showing a 14 year old Future Trunks as a Super Saiyan struggling in training against base Future Gohan.

[Kanassa]

Trunks THE STORY contradicts that, showing a 14 year old Future Trunks as a Super Saiyan struggling in training against base Future Gohan.

Where's the contradiction?

[TheMikado]

But it is worth noting that Gohan was able to obtain the form in an artificial setting, yes Goku had cut loose but thats not the same thing as having an alien overlord murdered your friends in cold blood or finding the corpse of your murdered farther/older sibling figure. As long as you have some experience with hardship or loss becoming a SS while training cannot be out of the question. Cabba is a living person and a warrior, he must have experienced such things in his life. As such I see no reason to question him or any saiyan of sufficient power and life experience being able to achieve SS during training.

Edit: Especially with someone to teach them.

You have to remember, Super Saiyan isn't just the trigger, you need to be in a certain realm of power as well before you're able to be pushed to SS. Neither Vegeta nor Gohan became Super Saiyan when they had plenty of rage moments before their transformations in the Android Saga.

Trunks THE STORY contradicts that, showing a 14 year old Future Trunks as a Super Saiyan struggling in training against base Future Gohan.

We obviously don't know the exact reason but Trunks and Goten were born exceptionally strong even for Saiyans as their bases are close to Gohan/Vegeta/Goku while they are still that young. Further as I've pointed out NUMEROUS times. In universe EVERY single character calls out there ability to go SSJ as unbelievable and BS. Literally everyone that sees it for the first time their jaws hit the floor and it's treated as ridiculous and almost a gag even within the universe. It was never seen as a normal thing.

If these "two" other Saiyans go SSJ as easily as Cabba without someone claiming it's BS and playing it straight in universe then there will be a quantifiable different in presentation. In one circumstance it's considered unbelievably exceptional and in another it could be considered mundane.

[Lord Frieza]

But it is worth noting that Gohan was able to obtain the form in an artificial setting, yes Goku had cut loose but thats not the same thing as having an alien overlord murdered your friends in cold blood or finding the corpse of your murdered farther/older sibling figure. As long as you have some experience with hardship or loss becoming a SS while training cannot be out of the question. Cabba is a living person and a warrior, he must have experienced such things in his life. As such I see no reason to question him or any saiyan of sufficient power and life experience being able to achieve SS during training.

Edit: Especially with someone to teach them.

You have to remember, Super Saiyan isn't just the trigger, you need to be in a certain realm of power as well before you're able to be pushed to SS. Neither Vegeta nor Gohan became Super Saiyan when they had plenty of rage moments before their transformations in the Android Saga.

Trunks THE STORY contradicts that, showing a 14 year old Future Trunks as a Super Saiyan struggling in training against base Future Gohan.

Not really. First off while the android had killed his father, Trunks never knew him or any of the other. They all died when he was a baby and according to that special Trunks future is none near as bad as it got with Black. The android would turn-up, kill a few people for shit and giggles then sod off. Its never shown during that time that anyone really close to Trunks had been hurt or killed until Gohan died, all his flashback in the Cell saga depict him post that even to.

When it comes to power, Trunks as a kid must actually have been pretty strong since only three years later he was powerful enough to wipe the floor with Frieza and Cold.

Really though if you go by all the events that happened post Goku's transformation, rage is not the real trigger for SS. It and other strong emotions like sorrow and frustration play a part but to quote the Funi Dub "The power comes in response of a need not a desire". That pretty much says it all says it all.

[TheMikado]

As much as I would like to see more strong female characters I still think Caulifla and Kale are the same person. I mean the discription of Kale makes her sound like an angry female Saiyan that Cabe struggles to get along with, which from the little we know sounds exactly like Caulifla

The description of kale is a female Saiyan who is even more spineless than Cabba and that's like touching the very bottom of the scale, it's the exact opposite of cauliflowa, you might have confused the descriptions

Whoops, my bad. Just read the description been behind on the news lately but that's so awesome! I'm so happy that we have two strong female characters!

I'm not convinced yet for two reasons.

The first is the hair style. If "Caulifla" hair remains the same then in SSJ she would look too similar to "Kale" in her SSJ rage form. I can't imagine they would introduce two female Saiyans which look so similar in SSJ form.

The second is the name. In Japanese I would think they would pronounce "Kale" as "Ka-Ii" which would make it sound awful similar to the "Cauli" maybe the first is actually the Japanese name for the character and the 2nd if the western name? Again I can't imagine they would introduce two female characters with similar SSJ hairstyles and similar sounding names. It would just be ridiculously confusing.

[MathSSJ]

Trunks THE STORY contradicts that, showing a 14 year old Future Trunks as a Super Saiyan struggling in training against base Future Gohan.

Where's the contradiction?

Trunks being horribly weak and already having Super Saiyan?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Power has seemingly nothing to do with it. Even if you interpret it as SSJ Trunks as equal to Future Gohan in base, whom is later on compared to Namek Goku, that would mean that Trunks is weaker then Namek Kuririn by the time the Freeza fight rolled.

[TheMikado]

Trunks THE STORY contradicts that, showing a 14 year old Future Trunks as a Super Saiyan struggling in training against base Future Gohan.

Where's the contradiction?

Trunks being horribly weak and already having Super Saiyan?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Power has seemingly nothing to do with it. Even if you interpret it as SSJ Trunks as equal to Future Gohan in base, whom is later on compared to Namek Goku, that would mean that Trunks is weaker then Namek Kuririn by the time the Freeza fight rolled.

It's possible isn't it?

[MrBlackFox]

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Don't forget this


As the time passes, my love for Cauliflowa grows

Her resemblance to ps1 game's protagonist Tomba is something I love

[Lord Frieza]

The description of kale is a female Saiyan who is even more spineless than Cabba and that's like touching the very bottom of the scale, it's the exact opposite of cauliflowa, you might have confused the descriptions

Whoops, my bad. Just read the description been behind on the news lately but that's so awesome! I'm so happy that we have two strong female characters!

I'm not convinced yet for two reasons.

The first is the hair style. If "Caulifla" hair remains the same then in SSJ she would look too similar to "Kale" in her SSJ rage form. I can't imagine they would introduce two female Saiyans which look so similar in SSJ form.

The second is the name. In Japanese I would think they would pronounce "Kale" as "Ka-Ii" which would make it sound awful similar to the "Cauli" maybe the first is actually the Japanese name for the character and the 2nd if the western name? Again I can't imagine they would introduce two female characters with similar SSJ hairstyles and similar sounding names. It would just be ridiculously confusing.

Well Toei and Toriyama both love to subvert our expectations. I suspect that rather then have just a girl Broly, They took elements of Broly "character" and used them to create two new ones.

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Ah this is what you ment. This is true here but while it is techqnically cannon to the manga I have to ask myself whats a better depiction of these events?

The one written by Toriyama or History of Trunks special? Their is a comparison between this and the Bardock Special vs Minus issue.

While far better then Minus and came first it has many of the same issues as a narrative i.e. its not a story. Its bare bones plot points that give you little to now insight into Trunks's passed beyond Gohan died. History of Trunks takes those bare bones plot points and developed them into a far superior narrative which actually keeps in line with previous rules set up in the manga.

[MrBlackFox]

Also, tonight will be Roshi's night, he'll reach his highest power level ever and I can't wait for that