So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Simere » Sun May 07, 2017 1:57 pm

precita wrote:The fact that one of the most popular anime from last year had two 12 year old girls kissing each other and being nude in a lot of episodes shows what kind of country Japan is.
Which anime was that?

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Doctor. » Sun May 07, 2017 1:59 pm

Simere wrote:
precita wrote:The fact that one of the most popular anime from last year had two 12 year old girls kissing each other and being nude in a lot of episodes shows what kind of country Japan is.
Which anime was that?
I think he's talking about Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya but that one's a spin-off of a porn game, so I don't think it holds much weight.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Yomi » Sun May 07, 2017 1:59 pm

Simere wrote:
precita wrote:The fact that one of the most popular anime from last year had two 12 year old girls kissing each other and being nude in a lot of episodes shows what kind of country Japan is.
Which anime was that?

Curious are we? :wink:
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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Simere » Sun May 07, 2017 2:01 pm

Yomi wrote:
Simere wrote:
precita wrote:The fact that one of the most popular anime from last year had two 12 year old girls kissing each other and being nude in a lot of episodes shows what kind of country Japan is.
Which anime was that?

Curious are we? :wink:
Always looking for good yuri. :P Which Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya is not, if that's what he's talking about.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by SansrivaaL » Sun May 07, 2017 2:03 pm

TBMx wrote:Violence is not always a bad message for kids or anyone. Sometimes violence is justified as there are some people mere words will not reach. That has been the theme of dragonball, and there's nothing wrong with that. However Roshi chasing terrified women, charging at them while they're screaming and only pulling himself back because "They popped out", for Goku to see him chasing her, hearing her screams, only to leave him to it, absolutely crosses the line. Did he ever apologize? No. Drawing false equivalences between high fantasy, highly stylized combat based violence and what appears to be attempted rape is to miss things like nuance and context and is frankly rape apologia. As a joke it fails, as evidenced by the fact that this so called lighthearted segment is being directly compared to the violence of the series, and lolicon that does not air on mainstream children's tv slots.
The same as this justifies that its meant to be a joke and in no way implying rape or any of the sort you mention, terrified yes, but not for the reasons you claim, she was terrified of Roshi knowing what bad antics she was plotting, but Roshi's pervertedness? no, at best Roshi is just an old guy that likes to see and enjoy time with a cute and hot girl. Roshi was never implied to be a rapist. Notice how she was only screaming "waaaa" and not asking for help even after Goku popped out, she was well aware of her situation and people watching already felt that "she's plotting something bad, she must be capable of holding her own then"

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Kanassa » Sun May 07, 2017 2:10 pm

SansrivaaL wrote: Goku popped out, she was well aware of her situation and people watching already felt that "she's plotting something bad, she must be capable of holding her own then"
To be fair to Goku, I wouldn't be surprised if he saw sexual intercourse as a new style of fighting and assumes Roshi's perversions is him training. "Wow, better not interrupt their training"
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Yomi » Sun May 07, 2017 2:11 pm

Roshi has done worst, like he's groped RanFan when she was passed out
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and he's copped feels before, and solicited 16 year old bulma to show him her bare breast, among other things.
He tried to use a shrinking device to see them use the toilet.

Roshi saw this girl's bare shoulders and nose bled out of the scene, he's seen more action from Bulma and never did that
Even when Roshi "hopped" on Yurin, all he did was point to her butt.

I don't see how someone makes it through dragon ball but gets offended by this white bread nonsense.

Simere wrote: Always looking for good yuri. :P Which Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya is not, if that's what he's talking about.
I wouldn't categorize his description as "good yuri" but idk man.
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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by SansrivaaL » Sun May 07, 2017 2:12 pm

Kanassa wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote: Goku popped out, she was well aware of her situation and people watching already felt that "she's plotting something bad, she must be capable of holding her own then"
To be fair to Goku, I wouldn't be surprised if he saw sexual intercourse as a new style of fighting and assumes Roshi's perversions is him training. "Wow, better not interrupt their training"
Jesus Christ :lol: up until now I'm still not sure how Gohan and Goten popped out of Chichi....

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Simere » Sun May 07, 2017 2:16 pm

Yomi wrote:I wouldn't categorize his description as "good yuri" but idk man.
It's not that his description was good, it's that I didn't recognize what he was referring to which means I missed something that might be good.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Kanassa » Sun May 07, 2017 2:17 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:
Kanassa wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote: Goku popped out, she was well aware of her situation and people watching already felt that "she's plotting something bad, she must be capable of holding her own then"
To be fair to Goku, I wouldn't be surprised if he saw sexual intercourse as a new style of fighting and assumes Roshi's perversions is him training. "Wow, better not interrupt their training"
Jesus Christ :lol: up until now I'm still not sure how Gohan and Goten popped out of Chichi....
Well, of course he had to have Chichi train him. Can't miss a new combat style, can he? Of course, he's been explicitly told by Chichi that he can only use it against her.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by SansrivaaL » Sun May 07, 2017 2:17 pm

Yomi wrote:Roshi has done worst, like he's groped RanFan when she was passed out
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and he's copped feels before, and solicited 16 year old bulma to show him her bare breast, among other things.
He tried to use a shrinking device to see them use the toilet.

Roshi saw this girl's bare shoulders and nose bled out of the scene, he's seen more action from Bulma and never did that
Even when Roshi "hopped" on Yurin, all he did was point to her butt.

I don't see how someone makes it through dragon ball but gets offended by this white bread nonsense.
Compared to DB and Z, Super is very very mild in terms of ecchi. I highly doubt an old man that loses consciousness after seeing something "pop out" capable of rape, he was down and out after that, if that was me I would be down on her ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 8) I'm disappointed quite frankly.
Kanassa wrote: Well, of course he had to have Chichi train him. Can't miss a new combat style, can he? Of course, he's been explicitly told by Chichi that he can only use it against her.
I can see it now... Goku fighting those 2 saiyan chiks.... under pressure as he is in the losing end... suddenly remembers his fights with Chichi... he then uses it on those 2 and brushes it off as "I got not other choice, Chichi told me not to use this but.... I have to use it, even Chichi couldnt move anymore after those moves."

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Lord Frieza » Sun May 07, 2017 2:22 pm

Ley me put it this way, it aint making my top 10 funny DB scenes anytime soon.

Really Roshi is ment to be just his old, pervy self.....but who ever animated that scene really didn't think it through.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Kanassa » Sun May 07, 2017 2:22 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:
Kanassa wrote: Well, of course he had to have Chichi train him. Can't miss a new combat style, can he? Of course, he's been explicitly told by Chichi that he can only use it against her.
I can see it now... Goku fighting those 2 saiyan chiks.... under pressure as he is in the losing end... suddenly remembers his fights with Chichi... he then uses it on those 2 and brushes it off as "I got not other choice, Chichi told me not to use this but.... I have to use it, even Chichi couldnt move anymore after those moves."
Caulifla: Dude, put your clothes back on!
Kale: Wait... I wanna see where he's going with this...
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back. :D
- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by SansrivaaL » Sun May 07, 2017 2:25 pm

Kanassa wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:
Kanassa wrote: Well, of course he had to have Chichi train him. Can't miss a new combat style, can he? Of course, he's been explicitly told by Chichi that he can only use it against her.
I can see it now... Goku fighting those 2 saiyan chiks.... under pressure as he is in the losing end... suddenly remembers his fights with Chichi... he then uses it on those 2 and brushes it off as "I got not other choice, Chichi told me not to use this but.... I have to use it, even Chichi couldnt move anymore after those moves."
Caulifla: Dude, put your clothes back on!
Kale: Wait... I wanna see where he's going with this...
Goku: Do you bleed? you will.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Simere » Sun May 07, 2017 2:25 pm

It doesn't matter to me how old the character is how or how well she can take care of herself. That makes it okay? I'm not offended on her behalf; I'm annoyed that this is supposed to be funny and/or endearing.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by SansrivaaL » Sun May 07, 2017 2:33 pm

Attempted rape is something like this
https://youtu.be/TS5QR7PUbvo?t=159
Far from what was happening this episode, this anime even had the gal to pull out the comedy bit of the MC going "sorry for the interuption" with his student half naked with a strange man on top of her.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by kinisking » Sun May 07, 2017 2:59 pm

I don't think it's funny at all. It was actually a bit disturbing to watch.

I don't see how this is any different from regular roshi though.
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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun May 07, 2017 3:02 pm

kinisking wrote:I don't think it's funny at all. It was actually a bit disturbing to watch.

I don't see how this is any different from regular roshi though.
Agreed. It's not funny. It's just Roshi do his usual "pervy, old man'' schtick. It's old hat.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by precita » Sun May 07, 2017 3:21 pm

Yomi wrote: and he's copped feels before, and solicited 16 year old bulma to show him her bare breast, among other things.
He tried to use a shrinking device to see them use the toilet.
To be fair, 16 is pretty legal in a lot of countries. As far as I remember Roshi never went after kid Chi-Chi who was only 12 when he first saw her.

Also despite Launch living with him for some time, I don't think he ever did do anything with her after awhile. He respected her boundaries and knew blonde Launch would blow him up.

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Re: So is Goku supposed to allow Roshi...

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun May 07, 2017 4:35 pm

This was pretty tame to his previous antics by far, he chased a girl around a room so what? This is a cartoon I find it odd there are so many "I found it disturbing" comments. Did you not find it "disturbing" that these zombies were going around destrying houses and potentially injuring or killing people?

I just find it hilarious that in a series where Bulma flashed her naked Vagina people draw the line with Roshi cashing a clothed woman around a room!

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