"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Why? Piccolo and Vegeta have got stronger and Frieza would not be as strong as he has done nothing since his died again. That also means Frieza's Golden form will still be useless after a little while since he could not have improved it.

Piccolo has been getting promotion though. Fighting in episode 88 and 90 while getting stronger and creating combo moves with Gohan. Piccolo was also with Gohan in the opening. I still predict a tag team between Gohan and Piccolo to win it

Because unlike last time, Frieza wont be dicking around since he knows he has stamina issues. Piccolo's still below the likes of Ultimate Gohan, Vegeta on the other hand we will see but I'm clinging more to Golden Freeza. Goku's only stronger than him because of SSJBKK anyways.

I predict a Gohan and Piccolo tag team as well but them winning it? far, at best I see Goku,Vegeta and Freeza as the last 3 guys.

Huh? You are aware that Goku is stronger now than he was in Resurrection 'F'? You just have to look at the second Hit fight where he fought Hit without the used of the Kaioken and Hit also got stronger. Not to mention all the stuff with Black and Goku noted that Vegeta got stronger during the Copy Vegeta stuff. Why would Goku still be weaker than Golden Freeza?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Y'know, now that Freeza's been confirmed there really is no reason we couldn't get Goten and Trunks over Roshi and Tenshinhan, given Gokus reasoning for excluding them in the first place I doubt the boys would be any harder to work with than the guy who murdered his best friend before his eyes and committed mass, planetary genocide.

The character interactions will definitely be interesting as Krillin and Piccolo sure as hell aren't gonna like this decision.

Well not quite, the only thing confirmed is Goku wants Freeza we still don't know whether Freeza actually joins...

[Totamo]

Y'know, now that Freeza's been confirmed there really is no reason we couldn't get Goten and Trunks over Roshi and Tenshinhan, given Gokus reasoning for excluding them in the first place I doubt the boys would be any harder to work with than the guy who murdered his best friend before his eyes and committed mass, planetary genocide.

The character interactions will definitely be interesting as Krillin and Piccolo sure as hell aren't gonna like this decision.

Goku said experience or did I get that wrong.

[emperior]

Why? Piccolo and Vegeta have got stronger and Frieza would not be as strong as he has done nothing since his died again. That also means Frieza's Golden form will still be useless after a little while since he could not have improved it.

Piccolo has been getting promotion though. Fighting in episode 88 and 90 while getting stronger and creating combo moves with Gohan. Piccolo was also with Gohan in the opening. I still predict a tag team between Gohan and Piccolo to win it

Because unlike last time, Frieza wont be dicking around since he knows he has stamina issues. Piccolo's still below the likes of Ultimate Gohan, Vegeta on the other hand we will see but I'm clinging more to Golden Freeza. Goku's only stronger than him because of SSJBKK anyways.

I predict a Gohan and Piccolo tag team as well but them winning it? far, at best I see Goku,Vegeta and Freeza as the last 3 guys.

Huh? You are aware that Goku is stronger now than he was in Resurrection 'F'? You just have to look at the second Hit fight where he fought Hit without the used of the Kaioken and Hit also got stronger. Not to mention all the stuff with Black and Goku noted that Vegeta got stronger during the Copy Vegeta stuff. Why would Goku still be weaker than Golden Freeza?

I think Goku and Vegeta already surpassed Freezer after their ROSAT training, though we don't really know what was the gap between Freezer and Goku/Vegeta at the time. If Toriyama wants he could have him being equal with Goku/Vegeta and it could still make sense.

[SansrivaaL]

Huh? You are aware that Goku is stronger now than he was in Resurrection 'F'? You just have to look at the second Hit fight where he fought Hit without the used of the Kaioken and Hit also got stronger. Not to mention all the stuff with Black and Goku noted that Vegeta got stronger during the Copy Vegeta stuff. Why would Goku still be weaker than Golden Freeza?

I dont take that as he is a lot stronger physically now but that he got used to Hit and learned to adapt to give him the upper hand, its his experience that jumped, because far as I remember, Hit killed him, he just played it smart.

[BlueBasilisk]

There are two things I'd like to see out of Frieza's return:
1) Give him some character development. Have the outstanding circumstances for some change on him.
2) Let him live.

These were my two biggest issues with RoF; Frieza was exactly the same with no change and the status quo was right back as soon as the movie ended with nary a sign he'd ever come back. Now how would you go about letting Frieza live after all the mayhem and chaos he's caused? Well that's simple. If Universe 7 wins (and the other universes aren't destroyed), use the Super Dragon Balls to wish back everyone he and his subordinates killed, thus undoing his reign of terror. If Beerus gets a pass I could see the writers giving one to the big F. In two months' time he'll be living at Capsule Corp too.

[Cursemark505]

Now prepare for the biggest death stare ever from Piccolo and Vegeta to show Frieza his place.

This situation could have easily been prevented by having 12 fighters with Yamcha included as well.

Frieza better be the first person out from team Universe 7. This is a disgrace to the main cast.

I hope you're not implying that Boo is a part of the main cast because he most definitely isn't. He has never been relevant outside the Boo saga and even then, fat boo became almost completely irrelevant once he was absorbed.

It would be a disgrace to the rest of the team apart from 17 if they go out early but Frieza lasts a long time as they are apart of the main cast.

Aside from Goku,everyone will play their part then get eliminated.
It would make no sense for the weaker characters to last long against an army of warriors far more powerful than them.
People were complaining about them being in the tournament anyways.

[namekiansaiyan]

Y'know, now that Freeza's been confirmed there really is no reason we couldn't get Goten and Trunks over Roshi and Tenshinhan, given Gokus reasoning for excluding them in the first place I doubt the boys would be any harder to work with than the guy who murdered his best friend before his eyes and committed mass, planetary genocide.

The character interactions will definitely be interesting as Krillin and Piccolo sure as hell aren't gonna like this decision.

Piccolo will probably actually agree with Goku about Frieza while no one else will.

[HeroR]

Huh? You are aware that Goku is stronger now than he was in Resurrection 'F'? You just have to look at the second Hit fight where he fought Hit without the used of the Kaioken and Hit also got stronger. Not to mention all the stuff with Black and Goku noted that Vegeta got stronger during the Copy Vegeta stuff. Why would Goku still be weaker than Golden Freeza?

I dont take that as he is a lot stronger physically now but that he got used to Hit and learned to adapt to give him the upper hand, its his experience that jumped, because far as I remember, Hit killed him, he just played it smart.

Hit took hits from a Kaioken 10x and was still able to fight. Round 2, Goku floors his butt with one Kamehameha. Plus, are you saying that Goku Black is weaker than Golden Freeza?

I think you severely downplay Goku and Vegeta's growth since Resurrection 'F' was years ago at this point and Golden Freeza, while powerful, was still in the same tier as Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. It wasn't the different between Super Vegeta and Perfect Cell. It was closer to Master Super Saiyan Goku and Perfect Cell.

But, I won't say anymore since this is off-topic and I know the mobs hate strength debates here.

[MainJPW]

Goku said experience or did I get that wrong.

You're right, he basically said it's not just a contest of strength and claims the boys are inexperienced.

My thing is, if he's going to go for Freeza instead of Yamcha for instance, whose plenty experienced, then he has to be picking Freeza precisely because he's powerful, right?

[SansrivaaL]

There are two things I'd like to see out of Frieza's return:
1) Give him some character development. Have the outstanding circumstances for some change on him.
2) Let him live.

These were my two biggest issues with RoF; Frieza was exactly the same with no change and the status quo was right back as soon as the movie ended with nary a sign he'd ever come back. Now how would you go about letting Frieza live after all the mayhem and chaos he's caused? Well that's simple. If Universe 7 wins (and the other universes aren't destroyed), use the Super Dragon Balls to wish back everyone he and his subordinates killed, thus undoing his reign of terror. If Beerus gets a pass I could see the writers giving one to the big F. In two months' time he'll be living at Capsule Corp too.

I cannot see that happening in any timeline... but Freeza being part of the Z warriors isnt something surprising, half of them used to be villains, Freeza's is just way worst but Goku's above not forgiving anyone. Fucking Naruto was able to forgive Pain for killing his mentor/master Jiraiya, you can bet a million zennies Goku doesnt hold anything bad against Frieza, its not like Krillin's dead or anything.
A funny scenario would be all of them on the losing end, Frieza thinks of something new like "I heard a legend before etc etc... the etc saiyan of legends" and he tries to kill Krillin to trigger Goku's new form.

[Totamo]

Goku said experience or did I get that wrong.

You're right, he basically said it's not just a contest of strength and claims the boys are inexperienced.

My thing is, if he's going to go for Freeza instead of Yamcha for instance, whose plenty experienced, then he has to be picking Freeza precisely because he's powerful, right?

freeza has far more experience than all of them though. Freeza is cocky, he ain't stupid.

[TheMikado]

Has the Frieza thing been confirmed yet?

[namekiansaiyan]

Has the Frieza thing been confirmed yet?

Yes, Buu is asleep again.

[Gorou]

This anime is shameful. Those who dare to compare it to any portion of the manga have hams in the eyes without a doubt.

Obviously, it is poor, undeniably poor .. Incongruent, packed with fanservice, poorly managed in rhythms, randomic power lever, characters ooc, any original ideas ..

This is another proof: choose to the last moment to bring back a character that was already been used and reused by any media in tha conect to the franchising to exhaustion only to please its insatiable fans.

[namekiansaiyan]

This tournament might not even start until July which is about episode 97. How long will the tournament be?

[HeroR]

freeza has far more experience than all of them though. Freeza is cocky, he ain't stupid.

Can't say I agree. As a fighter, Freeza is the least experience outside of maybe the androids. He relies on raw strength and when that fails, he nukes the planet. While I may call Gohan a mediocre fighter, Gohan's battle experience is superior to Freeza since Gohan can do more than just rage quit when he's at a disadvantage. I mean, he didn't even realized that his form was leaking energy. It's worse than Future Trunks' noob mistake of not realizing the weakness of his Ultra Super Saiyan form.

This anime is shameful. Those who dare to compare it to any portion of the manga have hams in the eyes without a doubt.

Obviously, it is poor, undeniably poor .. Incongruent, packed with fanservice, poorly managed in rhythms, randomic power lever, characters ooc, any original ideas ..

This is another proof: choose to the last moment to bring back a character that has already been used and reused by any media in tha conect to the franchising to exhaustion only to please its insatiable fans.

Glad to see your opinion means so much more than anyone's.

And this change, like it or not, is not last minute since this isn't like the manga days. Super's script is written months ahead of time. Freeza's return was going to happen from the jump.

[Totamo]

This tournament might not even start until July which is about episode 97. How long will the tournament be?

this honestly feels like the anime is padding because I doubt we will see any of this in the manga.

[Totamo]

freeza has far more experience than all of them though. Freeza is cocky, he ain't stupid.

Can't say I agree. As a fighter, Freeza is the least experience outside of maybe the androids. He relies on raw strength and when that fails, he nukes the planet. While I may call Gohan a mediocre fighter, Gohan's battle experience is superior to Freeza since Gohan can do more than just rage quit when he's at a disadvantage. I mean, he didn't even realized that his form was leaking energy. It's worse than Future Trunks' noob mistake of not realizing the weakness of his Ultra Super Saiyan form.

freeza is a born prodigy who has never lost a fight in his life aside from his father until Goku.

Freeza is extremely cocky, that's his flaw.

[Gorou]

Glad to see your opinion means so much more than anyone's.

And this change, like it or not, is not last minute since this isn't like the manga days. Super's script is written months ahead of time. Freeza's return was going to happen from the jump.

Frieza's return was undoubtedly decided at the last moment (up to a few weeks ago), AFTER setting the tournament, the 10 participants, having posted a trailer, the poster that show all of them, and countless other articles about the tournament that showed Boo as the tenth fighter. Boo was a much more interesting character fo the tournament , with a more varied power of mind and solidarity with the protagonists. Freeza is demanded only by the irreducible fans

I trust the hope that it is a self-concluding filler