"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Gorou]

Nope.

Definitely true

Episode's scripts and breakdown are done months and weeks ahead of time because it take weeks to animate.

In fact, we are talking about a few weeks.

They just can't thrown in stuff at the last minute, especially a new character. Because they literally have to animate several new episodes to explain why the change happen and Super is already on a tight deadline.

All these assertions are not standing. Excluding that this is not a troll episode, the anime, like the manga, follows a previously written author's scriptment, which far precedes the any episode's scripts. There is no reason to think, given the unreasonable amount of advertising material with the predecessor of warriors, which the author had thought of right away. So no, it was an improvised turn.

And so what about the posters? Buu was in the poster for U6 and he never fought there either.

Even worst. Another time, they replicated the raillery.

Also, on the bolded. Do you have data to back this up?

It is bright, bright like the sun. Frieza was chosen because it is popular, and fans can not stay for two months without seeing it again. There is no motive connected to the narrative.

[HeroR]

Then what about the other fighters Goku's encountered in other world? Pikkon?

But it's just how silly the writing is. Why replace Frieza with Buu? Buu never slept once during his parade and when he did, it was for a night in his little comedic house.

Pikkon is filler, so I doubt Toriyama knows that he exists.

And Buu goes through hibernations. Kid Buu slept for centuries before waking up and wrecking planets.

[namekiansaiyan]

I am going to guess that the opening gets updated if Frieza is included in the team.

I also assume this is the final team so who does everyone think the members of the team will face.

[Lord Beerus]

Okay.

I knew about the news of Freeza's return being initial being a rumor. But when it officially it was confirmed last night to be legit, I was caught so off-guard by that bombshell that I literally had no idea how to respond to it. I initially didn't want to believe it but now that it has been verified as 100% true that is indeed comin back to take part in the Tournament Of Power, I decided to take some time to mull over this huge news before I give my official stance on this and other circumstances of Team Universe 7, instead of giving an inappropriate knee jerk reaction.

*breathes in deeply* *breathes out deeply*

First off, Majin Boo being sidelined, again, because he deiced sleep at the most inconvenient time, again, is the most bullshit excuse to bench him I've ever come across. It's so fucking dumb. And it's the worst kind of recurring gag that they've given to any character in the cast. This is the third fucking time it's happened to him. And it annoys the hell out of me that Toriyama/Toei/Toyotaro would take this route to exclude from another major story in modern Dragon Ball. I was looking forward to Majin Boo competing in the Tournament of Power so damn much, and know he not going to be taking part in it disappoints and angers me a lot. Like why even advertise him? It's the Champa arc all over again. And if the Zen Exhibition Matches aren't in the manga, then that really show how much Toriyama doesn't really care for the character. Because even if doesn't compete, at least Toei were willing to throw him a bone and reminds the fans just what he's truly capable of in combat. Just terrible treatment of the character all-around. He deserves better that this.

Now... Freeza returning. Hmm. This is the double edged sword to end all double edged swords.

On one hand, seeing Freeza team up with the heroes in an effort to save his universe is the most brilliantly ironic narrative decisions that Dragon Ball has ever done. The pure idea of Freeza having to work together with people he killed (Krillin, Vegeta) and people that he horribly maimed in combat (Goku and Piccolo) provides so many maddeningly creative and unorthodox avenues for not only how the Tournament of Power pans out, but also how the perspective of future plots and arcs of Super will develop. I can already picture how phenomenal the character interaction will be between Freeza and the rest of the cast. Plus, we get to see Toriyama wonderful version of Hell again. So that's a bonus. I was one of the people who, while I loved Resurrection F, ultimately thought that the wasted Freeza coming back. So him being brought back in the fold as a possible solution to what is currently the universe's darkest hour? It's the most wonderfully subversive and dramatically ironic plot point that Dragon Ball has ever done. It's the perfect way to rectify Freeza's wasted re-appearance in Resurrection F, and also work really damn well as a pay-off to that movie.

But of course they-in lies that problem that FREZA IS BEING BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE AGAIN. Why would Goku's first response to Majin Boo being out of the tournament be to bring in Freeza?! I know that Goku may be desperate for a teammate to fill in the gap in short space of time, but I can't help but fell that was a very uncharacteristic decision on Goku's part. This was the guy that three arcs ago literally blew up the Earth in a kamikaze attempt to kill everyone after being defeated by Goku and Vegeta and made everyone lives on Namek a living hell. Could he have seriously not though of anyone else? At this stage, I really would have preferred Yamcha to be brought into the fold or even Cell to be brought back. And while we're on the subject of Yamcha, it just makes everything that Super is doing with Yamcha seem more unnecessary cruel and spiteful towards the characters and his fans. Because Toei know full well that Yamcha won't take part in the Tournament of Power, but they are giving across this message that he could a possible joke dark-horse last minute entry in the team. But they know that's not the case at all. It's just another "YAMCHA SUX LOL" gag. Ugh.

But you know what, I was very dismissive about "Evil Goku" when Goku Black was first announced and... well... we all know awesome he turned out to be. What fear the most is that Freeza will brought back to life then just go straight back to hell. I want the character to actually stick around this time. Have his character develop. I'm not asking him to become a hero in an sense of the word. But I think him being the foil to Goku and working as an anti-villian would be a great way to take his character now that he is being brought back to life... again.

Despite all that's been said, I have to admit, I even more hyped for the Tournament of Power that I was before. Majin Boo getting the boot sucks really hard. And the excuse given for his absence aggravates the hell out of me. But if they manage to utilize Freeza coming back (again) and make the dynamic of the tournament, and the teamwork and relationships between the members of team Universe 7 all the more unusually intriguing and unpredictable, I will forgive that. For what it's worth though, we were warned a scenario like this would happen.

Phew.

Glad I got that out of my system.

Note 1: I want Freeza to return wearing a suit
Note 2: I want the current opening of Super to be edited with Freeza in it and have everybody to have a bemused look on their face at Freeza being in their team
Note 3: If Freeza and Frost don't confront each-other, I will be massively disappointed.

[HybridSaiyan]

Then what about the other fighters Goku's encountered in other world? Pikkon?

But it's just how silly the writing is. Why replace Frieza with Buu? Buu never slept once during his parade and when he did, it was for a night in his little comedic house.

Pikkon is filler, so I doubt Toriyama knows that he exists.

And Buu goes through hibernations. Kid Buu slept for centuries before waking up and wrecking planets.

Didn't Toriyama design Pikkon?

But, Buu just slept? Surely he wouldn't hibernate again? There was no sign of this in GT either.

[HeroR]

Nope.

Definitely true

Episode's scripts and breakdown are done months and weeks ahead of time because it take weeks to animate.

In fact, we are talking about a few weeks.

They just can't thrown in stuff at the last minute, especially a new character. Because they literally have to animate several new episodes to explain why the change happen and Super is already on a tight deadline.

All these assertions are not standing. Excluding that this is not a troll episode, the anime, like the manga, follows a previously written author's subject, which far precedes the any episode's scripts. There is no reason to think, given the unreasonable amount of advertising material with the predecessor of warriors, which the author had thought of right away. So no, it was an improvised turn.

And so what about the posters? Buu was in the poster for U6 and he never fought there either.

Even worst. Another time, they replicated the raillery.

Also, on the bolded. Do you have data to back this up?

It is bright, bright like the sun. Frieza was chosen because it is popular, and fans can not stay for two months without seeing it again. There is no motive connected to the narrative.

So you have proof that it's 'definitely true'?

The anime doesn't follow a manga. It follows Toryama's outline. Since the outline is bare, Toei writes the script and breaks them into episodes. They maybe last minutes changes, but nothing major like changing the entire roster since that have to add more episodes that wasn't in the script and production is already tight. So they just can't improvised stuff like Toriyama could with a weekly manga.

This proves that just because something is in a poster doesn't mean it's going to happen.

So how did fans survived decades without Freeza in the story? And you must know how the Universal Survival Saga will end since you already know that there is no motive connected to the narrative.

Didn't Toriyama design Pikkon?

But, Buu just slept? Surely he wouldn't hibernate again? There was no sign of this in GT either.

He also design Cooler and no one mentions him.

It was in Toriyama's interviews. And most likely, guessing here, since Buu doesn't want to sleep for centuries he take frequence naps.

[SansrivaaL]

The only downside to this is they are taking way too much time entering the ToP, I am fed up with these recruit episodes.

[kinisking]

I'm sick of this fan service term. It's getting to the point where anything is now fan service. Dislike the story they want to tell or like it. I don't care. But this fan service term is just being excessively used at this point.

[kinisking]

I'm sick of this fan service term. It's getting to the point where anything is now fan service. Dislike the story they want to tell or like it. I don't care. But this fan service term is just being excessively used at this point. Goten and trunks are more popular than Freeza in Japanese polls but they're nowhere to be found.

[Yedis]

Team U7 is a lot more formidable now than they were when the tournament was announced.

Goku, Vegeta, 17, Frieza , Gohan (maybe after this weekend's episode) can fight SSB level fighters using power alone.

This also mean the adversaries for the tournament (Pride Troopers etc) are going to be powerful or have crazy abilities, because I don't think it's just going to be U7 curb stomping everyone.

[pacz360]

I'm sick of this fan service term. It's getting to the point where anything is now fan service. Dislike the story they want to tell or like it. I don't care. But this fan service term is just being excessively used at this point.

Because this is what it is fan service.
There no need to bring Frieza back after the guy had a movie and a retelling.

[HeroR]

I'm sick of this fan service term. It's getting to the point where anything is now fan service. Dislike the story they want to tell or like it. I don't care. But this fan service term is just being excessively used at this point.

Because this is what it is fan service.
There no need to bring Frieza back after the guy had a movie and a retelling.

Putting the characters they had before was also fan service, yet you had no complaints about that. So you're not mad about the fan service, you're mad that it's fan service you dislike.

[kinisking]

I'm sick of this fan service term. It's getting to the point where anything is now fan service. Dislike the story they want to tell or like it. I don't care. But this fan service term is just being excessively used at this point.

Because this is what it is fan service.
There no need to bring Frieza back after the guy had a movie and a retelling.

It's almost like he wouldn't be extremely useful in the current arc? It makes sense to the story. It isn't fan service.

[HybridSaiyan]

I'm sick of this fan service term. It's getting to the point where anything is now fan service. Dislike the story they want to tell or like it. I don't care. But this fan service term is just being excessively used at this point.

Because this is what it is fan service.
There no need to bring Frieza back after the guy had a movie and a retelling.

It is fanservice, yeah. The fact they're choosing popular characters over others directs it towards fanservice. There was no fucking need to replace Buu for Frieza. NO NEED.

It's cashgrab stuff.

I'm sick to death at looking at Frieza's golden ass face.

[TheMikado]

I'm sick of this fan service term. It's getting to the point where anything is now fan service. Dislike the story they want to tell or like it. I don't care. But this fan service term is just being excessively used at this point. Goten and trunks are more popular than Freeza in Japanese polls but they're nowhere to be found.

I think people are just asking for some originality. Frieza got a movie and an arc in Super. If they are going to bring back old characters and give them BS power ups anyway, why not make it a character we haven't seen in a while?

[TheMikado]

Also since they have to fight enemies in Hell, is this canonical Hell or Toei Hell? Because it sounds like Toei's version is they are all running around with their bodies.

[Gorou]

So you have proof that it's 'definitely true'?

You have access to Toriyama's scriptment? Do you have any clues that it was a planned act?

The anime doesn't follow a manga

The anime follows the author's guidelines. Zamasu, Black, Black's arc, are all Toriyama's creations, and the conception of these vague script and treatment elements, along with some of the character-desing artistic sketches of some new characters, preceded by far the writing of singol episodes. Toriyama's change of course simply preceded the writing of recent episodes, nothing more

This proves that just because something is in a poster doesn't mean it's going to happen.

This prove nothing.
There was not the slightest assumption that Frieza would return, not even one. No clue, no valid reason.

So how did fans survived decades without Freeza in the story?

With something like 10 extras in fillers, movies, video games, another movie, ect.. Also the entire manga is over 20 years ago, not Freeza ..Freeza attracts tons of adorable fan-boys, and are easy money, that is the reason.

[SansrivaaL]

I dont see the difference, if they put in Yamcha then its also considered "fanservice" because we were all so sure who the 10 members were, this is just a minor knee jerk reaction by some people because the info just got confirmed, basically this is normal, I remember when the info about FemBroly popped out, people were losing their minds, Lord Beerus was one of them, but now everyone moved on came into terms with it and is now excited for her, same can be said about Black.
Fanservice isnt exactly negative, its only negative if you didnt like what they did.

[pacz360]

I'm sick of this fan service term. It's getting to the point where anything is now fan service. Dislike the story they want to tell or like it. I don't care. But this fan service term is just being excessively used at this point.

Because this is what it is fan service.
There no need to bring Frieza back after the guy had a movie and a retelling.

Putting the characters they had before was also fan service, yet you had no complaints about that. So you're not mad about the fan service, you're mad that it's fan service you dislike.

I had a problem with Roshi being there given the dude was surpassed by everyone and there grandmother since the end of db then I grew to accept it.
With freeza it feels needless dude sure he's more powerful than half the team barring goku,gohan,vegeta, and 17,but the dude has nothing else going for him besides that he has no extra abilities like buu or piccolo that make him more than just raw power.
The guy rage quits as soon as someone stomping his ass.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Worth noting that Dragon Ball Shikishi ART Part 4 based off the Universe Survival arc is coming out in July, no image is available yet but when it does we could have some spoilers ala Rosé Black.