"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by HeroR » Mon May 08, 2017 8:47 am

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So you have proof that it's 'definitely true'?
You have access to Toriyama's scriptment? Do you have any clues that it was a planned act?

The anime doesn't follow a manga
The anime follows the author's guidelines. Zamasu, Black, Black's arc, are all Toriyama's creations, and the conception of these vague script and treatment elements, along with some of the character-desing artistic sketches of some new characters, preceded by far the writing of singol episodes. Toriyama's change of course simply preceded the writing of recent episodes, nothing more
This proves that just because something is in a poster doesn't mean it's going to happen.
This prove nothing.
There was not the slightest assumption that Frieza would return, not even one. No clue, no valid reason.
So how did fans survived decades without Freeza in the story?
With something like 10 extras in fillers, movies, video games, another movie, ect.. Also the entire manga is over 20 years ago, not Freeza ..Freeza attracts tons of adorable fan-boys, and are easy money, that is the reason.
Because I understand how production work. It takes weeks to animate just one episode and the script is written months ahead of time. It has to be to properly break up the story into episodes. There is then storyboarding, sketches, last minute corrections, ect. There is no time to make a last minute change of this caliber just for the shock value.

Toriyama writes the outline, but there is nothing that says he changes his mind at the last minute, especially given all the work Toei have to put in to make such changes.

Of course there was no assumption because it's a surprised. Just like there was no assumption that Buu wouldn't be in the tournament until the manga told us about the intelligent test. Even then, Buu falling asleep had foreshadowing weeks ago when he said he was tired.

Freeza are in those things and so are the other villains like Cell and all the forms of Buu especially the video games and the filler. And Freeza was the butt monkey in them movies until Resurrection 'F'.
pacz360 wrote: I had a problem with Roshi being there given the dude was surpassed by everyone and there grandmother since the end of db then I grew to accept it.
With freeza it feels needless dude sure he's more powerful than half the team barring goku,gohan,vegeta, and 17,but the dude has nothing else going for him besides that he has no extra abilities like buu or piccolo that make him more than just raw power.
The guy rage quits as soon as someone stomping his ass.
Which proves my point. You don't have a problem with 'fan service' since bringing in Yamcha and getting rid of his butt monkey status is fan service. The same with 17 coming back after he fell off the map decades ago. You have a problem that this is fan service you hate.

Also, Yamaha has nothing going for him since he doesn't have abilities like Buu or Piccolo or power like Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and 17.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by namekiansaiyan » Mon May 08, 2017 8:48 am

SansrivaaL wrote:I dont see the difference, if they put in Yamcha then its also considered "fanservice" because we were all so sure who the 10 members were, this is just a minor knee jerk reaction by some people because the info just got confirmed, basically this is normal, I remember when the info about FemBroly popped out, people were losing their minds, Lord Beerus was one of them, but now everyone moved on came into terms with it and is now excited for her, same can be said about Black.
Fanservice isnt exactly negative, its only negative if you didnt like what they did.
Yamcha is a natural choice becuase of Roshi and the rest of the usual cast being involved.
Yedis wrote:Team U7 is a lot more formidable now than they were when the tournament was announced.

Goku, Vegeta, 17, Frieza , Gohan (maybe after this weekend's episode) can fight SSB level fighters using power alone.
Power will not play as big of a role as before as there will be so many characters with different special abilities. This along with multiple fights happening at once and a lot of teamwork happening is going to make the fights be different than before.

Overall there is no point listing characters by power but instead by who can find ways to win in different situations and also who can manage to stay in the match and not reduce their teams numbers. For example Magetta is going to be extremely hard to get outside the ring.

The power, strategy, defending abilities, attack abilities and awareness of each character should all play an equal role in how well a character does.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by SansrivaaL » Mon May 08, 2017 8:53 am

namekiansaiyan wrote: Yamcha is a natural choice becuase of Roshi and the rest of the usual cast being involved.
For some of you probably, but for me Freeza is the practical choice, they lost Boo who is a solo, hard hitting powerful character that does whatever he wants if not supervised by Satan, who fits the bill more? Freeza or Yamcha? they already have players who can fight in teams, they dont need to add one more, also given Yamcha's luck which is pretty bad considering he was always at the wrong time and how comedy like character he has been he may just rush into the other team and act like he's a secret weapon or something.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon May 08, 2017 8:55 am

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namekiansaiyan wrote: Yamcha is a natural choice becuase of Roshi and the rest of the usual cast being involved.
For some of you probably, but for me Freeza is the practical choice, they lost Boo who is a solo, hard hitting powerful character that does whatever he wants if not supervised by Satan, who fits the bill more? Freeza or Yamcha? they already have players who can fight in teams, they dont need to add one more, also given Yamcha's luck which is pretty bad considering he was always at the wrong time and how comedy like character he has been he may just rush into the other team and act like he's a secret weapon or something.
Pikkon is the most logical choice. Goku even mentions he should introduce him to Piccolo one day since they train the same and pretty much look the same.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by SansrivaaL » Mon May 08, 2017 8:57 am

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namekiansaiyan wrote: Yamcha is a natural choice becuase of Roshi and the rest of the usual cast being involved.
For some of you probably, but for me Freeza is the practical choice, they lost Boo who is a solo, hard hitting powerful character that does whatever he wants if not supervised by Satan, who fits the bill more? Freeza or Yamcha? they already have players who can fight in teams, they dont need to add one more, also given Yamcha's luck which is pretty bad considering he was always at the wrong time and how comedy like character he has been he may just rush into the other team and act like he's a secret weapon or something.
Pikkon is the most logical choice. Goku even mentions he should introduce him to Piccolo one day since they train the same and pretty much look the same.
That was filler, and besides maybe Goku didnt think of him because he forgot him, Freeza just came back into their lives a few arcs ago, that coulda played a role in his decision. As you know AT is quite forgetful and the authors sometimes puts a little of themselves into their main characters.

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Post by TheMikado » Mon May 08, 2017 9:02 am

pacz360 wrote:
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pacz360 wrote: Because this is what it is fan service.
There no need to bring Frieza back after the guy had a movie and a retelling.
Putting the characters they had before was also fan service, yet you had no complaints about that. So you're not mad about the fan service, you're mad that it's fan service you dislike.
I had a problem with Roshi being there given the dude was surpassed by everyone and there grandmother since the end of db then I grew to accept it.
With freeza it feels needless dude sure he's more powerful than half the team barring goku,gohan,vegeta, and 17,but the dude has nothing else going for him besides that he has no extra abilities like buu or piccolo that make him more than just raw power.
The guy rage quits as soon as someone stomping his ass.
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Haha that made me laugh way more than it should.

I can just picture Frieza losing the tournament and trying to take out Zeno and everyone else. Results in every universe getting erased.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon May 08, 2017 9:02 am

SansrivaaL wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote: For some of you probably, but for me Freeza is the practical choice, they lost Boo who is a solo, hard hitting powerful character that does whatever he wants if not supervised by Satan, who fits the bill more? Freeza or Yamcha? they already have players who can fight in teams, they dont need to add one more, also given Yamcha's luck which is pretty bad considering he was always at the wrong time and how comedy like character he has been he may just rush into the other team and act like he's a secret weapon or something.
Pikkon is the most logical choice. Goku even mentions he should introduce him to Piccolo one day since they train the same and pretty much look the same.
That was filler, and besides maybe Goku didnt think of him because he forgot him, Freeza just came back into their lives a few arcs ago, that coulda played a role in his decision. As you know AT is quite forgetful and the authors sometimes puts a little of themselves into their main characters.
Filler shouldn't even matter anymore. Super has broke all the realms anyways, even introducing a female LSSJ for heaven's sake. That means Toriyama has taken Broly into consideration. But yeah, I know he's forgetful thus the reason for Launches disappearance.

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Post by kizuki » Mon May 08, 2017 9:07 am

TekTheNinja wrote:
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TekTheNinja wrote: Ya know I'd go about this argument for the billionth time, but it's not very relevant anymore now that other characters will seemingly be getting spotlight, and I would much rather be discussing this overused Frieza asshole right now.
Never really understood the want for other characters to "shine" with this series. Like, I get it. People are tired of Goku, but he IS the main focus of the story whether anyone likes it or not, Lol.

I mean, plenty of times in the series have we seen others have their time to shine with Goku not in the arcs.

Goku dead training with Kaiosama during the Saiyan Arc.

Goku hospitalized and then in space for much of the Namek/Freeza Arc.

Goku in a coma for everything in the Androids arc up until Cell. Then it's all Gohan anyway.

Goku trying to stay dead in the Boo Arc.

The entire series has revolved around their one, critical character not being there for, I would say 50% of it, then showing up to save the day. Hell, this even happened in the BoG Arc and the Universe 6 Arc.

You're certainly entitled not to enjoy it, though, for sure. I just tend to scratch my head when people say too much Goku is bad for the show. Half of the time he isn't even involved.
You just mostly described Z. Z didn't have too much Goku. Super has had too much Goku. Simple. And why people like characters to get time to shine? People like seeing their favorite characters being relevant and doing cool things instead of only one character doing cool things. Also simple. Honestly it's all pretty simple. I don't know why it's so hard to comprehend for so many people.
Yea, I get you. It's not hard to comprehend you want less Goku, as I can read it clearly, lol. Guess what I'm wondering is WHY? Fact of the matter is it's a series that revolves around him. Aside from the side characters getting an episode or 2 per Arc to show they're still alive this is what we get. And I don't mind.

Everyone had a nice, mini light shined on them if they are involved with this tournament recently, and that's about as good as it'll get for anyone not named Son Goku. Them's the brakes.

Only people really getting shafted are Goten and Trunks, and Yamcha. But honestly, the DB Community has been pointing a finger and laughing at Yamcha for so long it seems like that's the type of thing they're writing in. Not surprising in the least bit.

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Post by Venus » Mon May 08, 2017 9:13 am

Someone here made a good point, this would be a good chance for bringing Cell back.

Frieza: No, I won't ever help you monkey I'm dead already and I don't care if the universe get's destroyed
Goku: Ohhh Come on Frieza-chan, please.
Frieza: No
?: How about me? seems like you don't have any other choices left, Son-Goku *The person hidding in the shadows reveals himself to be Cell while putting up a sinister smile*

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Post by SansrivaaL » Mon May 08, 2017 9:15 am

I'm just excited seeing Goku talk to Freeza... in a cocoon... with cute tiny bears and fairies dancing and singing around him...

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Post by Totamo » Mon May 08, 2017 9:19 am

Venus wrote:Someone here made a good point, this would be a good chance for bringing Cell back.

Frieza: No, I won't ever help you monkey I'm dead already and I don't care if the universe get's destroyed
Goku: Ohhh Come on Frieza-chan, please.
Frieza: No
?: How about me? seems like you don't have any other choices left, Son-Goku *The person hidding in the shadows reveals himself to be Cell while putting up a sinister smile*
cell is not coming back, not as popular and much harder to animatej


hey here is a plus now when freeza says he doesn't care like everyone else, it will actually make sense for once.

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Post by Gorou » Mon May 08, 2017 9:25 am

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Because I understand how production work.
You know? Do you work in the camp, or do you expect to know how exactly they work? It's not a TV series that takes a lot more time. The writing of episodes, of an entire saga, including the final, is not a procedure that is written in block

But, even the series usually have a "vertical" and a "horizontal" narrations . That advances are not always the same but vary depending on the episodes or by strings. That "vertical" begins and ends in an single episode, like in auto-conclusive fillers, while horizontal is the story that goes on for more episodes and covers an entire arc. In the original scriptment Toriyama has reported 10 participants, and the various Toei's staffs have begun, based on his lines, to write episodes, totally filler, entirely focusing on their recruitment. They have no interest to suprise the pubblic, and the recruitment of each new person has ben anticipated months in advance. Freeza is the only singularity, so it is highly likely that her is a filler-self-concluding one, for nothing anticipated.

So, yes, it's really, very, possible that this has been a further re-draft to please the insatiable fans.
Freeza are in those things and so are the other villains like Cell and all the forms of Buu especially the video games and the filler. And Freeza was the butt monkey in them movies until Resurrection 'F'.
The others have had 6 appearances between movie, fillers, canonical repertoire and a horrible horrible canonical movie, made on the basis of a hormone's song?
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Post by Kanassa » Mon May 08, 2017 9:27 am

HeroR wrote:He also design Cooler and no one mentions him.
I wonder if there's any chance of Cooler getting a mention with Frieza re-appearing now, not the two movies, just that Frieza has a brother
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by TheMikado » Mon May 08, 2017 9:28 am

Kanassa wrote:
HeroR wrote:He also design Cooler and no one mentions him.
I wonder if there's any chance of Cooler getting a mention with Frieza re-appearing now, not the two movies, just that Frieza has a brother
OMG, this would redeem the choice for me. A Frieza/Cooler tag team would be amazing.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 08, 2017 9:31 am

SansrivaaL wrote:I dont see the difference, if they put in Yamcha then its also considered "fanservice" because we were all so sure who the 10 members were, this is just a minor knee jerk reaction by some people because the info just got confirmed, basically this is normal, I remember when the info about FemBroly popped out, people were losing their minds, Lord Beerus was one of them, but now everyone moved on came into terms with it and is now excited for her, same can be said about Black.
Fanservice isnt exactly negative, its only negative if you didnt like what they did.
It's true. I freaking lost when Fem Broly was revealed. And the knee jerk reactions I provided, in juxtaposition to that reveal, were really terrible. That's why with this bombshell, I took enough time to digest the news and respond to it appropriately.

I also hate how the term "fanservice" is being casually thrown around.

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Post by pacz360 » Mon May 08, 2017 9:33 am

Isn't something important happening tomorrow on goku day? Someone pls answers my question.

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Post by Kanassa » Mon May 08, 2017 9:33 am

TheMikado wrote:
Kanassa wrote:
HeroR wrote:He also design Cooler and no one mentions him.
I wonder if there's any chance of Cooler getting a mention with Frieza re-appearing now, not the two movies, just that Frieza has a brother
OMG, this would redeem the choice for me. A Frieza/Cooler tag team would be amazing.
Isn't Heroes getting new content where Frieza/Cooler have a tag team move?
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back. :D
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Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon May 08, 2017 9:35 am

Kanassa wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
Kanassa wrote:
I wonder if there's any chance of Cooler getting a mention with Frieza re-appearing now, not the two movies, just that Frieza has a brother
OMG, this would redeem the choice for me. A Frieza/Cooler tag team would be amazing.
Isn't Heroes getting new content where Frieza/Cooler have a tag team move?
Frieza and Cooler do the fusion dance to form...Coolieza!

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Post by Kanassa » Mon May 08, 2017 9:39 am

Lord Beerus wrote:

I also hate how the term "fanservice" is being casually thrown around.
Which is weird considering that with what we know of Toriyama, this narrative decision was mist likely not to give fans what they want; just to throw them a curveball.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back. :D
- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 08, 2017 9:44 am

SansrivaaL wrote:I'm just excited seeing Goku talk to Freeza... in a cocoon... with cute tiny bears and fairies dancing and singing around him...
Don't you just love that bizarre scenarios like in Dragon Ball are so commonplace?

Dragon Ball is fucking weird. :P

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