"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[jeffbr92]

I'm probably the only one who remembered this video when we got the confirmation of Freeza joining in lol

Also I read somewhere that Goku asked to Uranai Baba to Freeza come back to the living world for a whole day, is that true?

Has anyone else thought that Freeza could be back for a role larger than just entering the Tournament of Power? What if he comes up with a plan to invade one of the other universes at the end, causing mayham and destruction in it.

Or even more so, upon seeing Cabba and the other Saiyans, Freeza escapes to Universe 6 and tries to wipe out all the Saiyans there and we get an arc of Frost (who redeemed himself), Cabba, Kale, Caulifla and Vegeta and Goku stoping Freeza and his newly built empire.

That could be good if Freeza had survived in RoF, again I don't like the effort to see he being back from the afterlife.

[Boo Machine]

He did want to end the series at Frieza lol.

Toriyama has never said that. It's highly possible and likely he could have felt this way at some point, but I don't know of any interview or anything like that, that says he did. In fact, there is a quote from him when he was nearing the end of the arc that says he didn't want it to end yet.

[Rozay]

Honestly, if Kale doesn't yell "Kakarotto" at least once I'll be mad.

[Lord Beerus]

Why does Toriyama hate Buu? This is so goddamned annoying how they keep cutting Buu

He doesn't hate Majin Boo. He just has nothing planned for him. And more than often when he doesn't have anything significant planned for a character, he ususally just resorts to using said character as a gag. Because... well... he is a gag artist.

[SansrivaaL]

Honestly, if Kale doesn't yell "Kakarotto" at least once I'll be mad.

Would be funny if Cabba, Kale and Cauli calls him Kakarot rather than Goku.

[Lord Frieza]

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My first comment is more then validated because it dose "bore" me, I've been following this thread all day and its nearly made me fall asleep. If people are gonna bitch and moan at, which is their purgative, do I have to see the same dame words and fracases used over again? They got boring during the Champa arc, am I wrong to ask you guys to expand your vocabulary on the subject if you going to insist on doing this all over again? But if you want to continue by all means carry one, you might just cure my insomnia. Win win situation for me.

And on that note you have every right to hate this choice of direction, I dont.

Also any villain...really. What you saw with Buu during his fight with Basil was pretty much all you'd get, Cell for me is one note and boring in his perfect form and aside from....2 of them most of the villains are two dimentional, meat head clones of characters in the main series. not one of them holds a candle to Frieza, theres a reason that his less then perfect movie out sold them all.

[HybridSaiyan]

He did want to end the series at Frieza lol.

Toriyama has never said that. It's highly possible and likely he could have felt this way at some point, but I don't know of any interview or anything like that, that says he did. In fact, there is a quote from him when he was nearing the end of the arc that says he didn't want it to end yet.

My mistake then, I have just heard plenty rumors and people stating Toriyama wanted to finish the series after Goku defeated Frieza. My bad. D:

[GodKaio-Ken]

He did want to end the series at Frieza lol.

Toriyama has never said that. It's highly possible and likely he could have felt this way at some point, but I don't know of any interview or anything like that, that says he did. In fact, there is a quote from him when he was nearing the end of the arc that says he didn't want it to end yet.

My mistake then, I have just heard plenty rumors and people stating Toriyama wanted to finish the series after Goku defeated Frieza. My bad. D:

You aren't mistaken. There are numerous quotes from Toriyama about wanting the series to end at various points. That doesn't mean there were ever definite plans to do so of course.

[Super Saiyan God]

I think Buu, Freeza and Cell should all have been included. I love the idea of Goku having to be flanked by all his past enemies to save the universe. Some may find it cheesy but IMO no worse than what they've done with Krillin, Tien and Roshi.

Yes but Cell would be extremely weak for this tournament. And i am happy to buu wouldnt be in this tournament, thats because golden frieza is still much stronger then majin buu's last form (equal to SuperBuu). So this is better for tournament

[Lord Frieza]

Toriyama has never said that. It's highly possible and likely he could have felt this way at some point, but I don't know of any interview or anything like that, that says he did. In fact, there is a quote from him when he was nearing the end of the arc that says he didn't want it to end yet.

My mistake then, I have just heard plenty rumors and people stating Toriyama wanted to finish the series after Goku defeated Frieza. My bad. D:

You aren't mistaken. There are numerous quotes from Toriyama about wanting the series to end at various points. That doesn't mean there were ever definite plans to do so of course.

Well he even once said that he would end it after the first arc If I remember rightly.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I think Buu, Freeza and Cell should all have been included. I love the idea of Goku having to be flanked by all his past enemies to save the universe. Some may find it cheesy but IMO no worse than what they've done with Krillin, Tien and Roshi.

Yes but Cell would be extremely weak for this tournament. And i am happy to buu wouldnt be in this tournament, thats because golden frieza is still much stronger then majin buu's last form (equal to SuperBuu). So this is better for tournament

With the DNA of Goku and Freeza Id be more willing to believe Cell getting incredibly powerful quickly than Krillin/Roshi being where they appear to be.

I do like using Freeza but I'd have definitely cut from the bottom...not Buu.

[Kanassa]

Well he even once said that he would end it after the first arc If I remember rightly.

I thin that was less that he wanted to end it there, but more that he didn't have anything planned afterwards because nobody thought Dragonball would be such a success

[Gorou]

My first comment is more then validated because it dose "bore" me, I've been following this thread all day and its nearly made me fall asleep. If people are gonna bitch and moan at, which is their purgative, do I have to see the same dame words and fracases used over again? They got boring during the Champa arc, am I wrong to ask you guys to expand your vocabulary on the subject if you going to insist on doing this all over again? But if you want to continue by all means carry one, you might just cure my insomnia. Win win situation for me.

Almost all terms and criticisms are appropriate. Super is a recycle of old ideas, presents the same cyclical system of the previous series, press only to the old fan's nostalgia, and continues to fossilize on the same characters. Besides the creation of an infinite number of contradictions with manga's rules, has only expanded the lore. Nothing more.
I can understand that it can be appreciated by a certain slice of fandom, but analyzed under a lens of objective ingrowth, it is really poor

Also any villain...really. What you saw with Buu during his fight with Basil was pretty much all you'd get

That boo, fat and mild, is not comparable with the real villain that was evil boo. Regardless of everything Boo is a character that the author has not exploited in nauseates way as Frieza, and is much more ductile, both in combat and as a narrative approach. Boo is always snubbed and over time, getting rid of this surface treatment becomes tiring

Cell for me is one note and boring in his perfect form and aside from....2 of them most of the villains are two dimentional, meat head clones of characters in the main series. not one of them holds a candle to Frieza

Boredom is a subjective thing. All the villains keep the same character traits, and the SAME level of deepening. The only thing that changes is their motivation.

theres a reason that his less then perfect movie out sold them all.

Massive publicity propaganda. Also, there a HUGE number of movi that, despite sales, with a shamefeul director and writing.

[Lord Frieza]

I think Buu, Freeza and Cell should all have been included. I love the idea of Goku having to be flanked by all his past enemies to save the universe. Some may find it cheesy but IMO no worse than what they've done with Krillin, Tien and Roshi.

Yes but Cell would be extremely weak for this tournament. And i am happy to buu wouldnt be in this tournament, thats because golden frieza is still much stronger then majin buu's last form (equal to SuperBuu). So this is better for tournament

With the DNA of Goku and Freeza Id be more willing to believe Cell getting incredibly powerful quickly than Krillin/Roshi being where they appear to be.

I do like using Freeza but I'd have definitely cut from the bottom...not Buu.

And there's the problem..time. Buu and Cell would take time to get ready. Our heroes dont have that time.

Its like Goku teaming up with Piccolo to fight Raditz, he would never have done it if the whole gang had been there. but he had only Roshi and Krillien, both of whom had died once already.

This is a similar situation, Goku needs a strong fighter NOW and Frieza is the only option.

[Lord Frieza]

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Lets just agree to disagree good person. I understand you but we simpley will not see eye to eye on this matter I think. Its oppion based and thats a debate thats just not worth it for either of us.

Edit: sorry for being rude.

[Lance Freeman]

Jeez, with the amount of filler they're cramming into this arc, the tournament is only going to be two episodes long, isn't it?

[GodKaio-Ken]

Yes but Cell would be extremely weak for this tournament. And i am happy to buu wouldnt be in this tournament, thats because golden frieza is still much stronger then majin buu's last form (equal to SuperBuu). So this is better for tournament

With the DNA of Goku and Freeza Id be more willing to believe Cell getting incredibly powerful quickly than Krillin/Roshi being where they appear to be.

I do like using Freeza but I'd have definitely cut from the bottom...not Buu.

And there's the problem..time. Buu and Cell would take time to get ready. Our heroes dont have that time.

Its like Goku teaming up with Piccolo to fight Raditz, he would never have done it if the whole gang had been there. but he had only Roshi and Krillien, both of whom had died once already.

This is a similar situation, Goku needs a strong fighter NOW and Frieza is the only option.

Buu is a strong fighter now. Also FWIW I'm saying all three should have been in the tournament from the start...not inserted in.

Freeza/Cell should replace Roshi and either Krillin or Tien from the start I mean and had all three main villains.

[dbgtFO]

Jeez, with the amount of filler they're cramming into this arc, the tournament is only going to be two episodes long, isn't it?

Well the fight is scheduled to last 48 minutes, so yeah that would be about 2 episodes, so that's what I expect

[GodKaio-Ken]

Jeez, with the amount of filler they're cramming into this arc, the tournament is only going to be two episodes long, isn't it?

Well the fight is scheduled to last 48 minutes, so yeah that would be about 2 episodes, so that's what I expect

Haha I'd be so pissed off. I expect another "Five minutes on Namek" scenario.

[Totamo]

Jeez, with the amount of filler they're cramming into this arc, the tournament is only going to be two episodes long, isn't it?

no its to give animators some breathing room.


it's not about toriyama, though. this is his plotline but not his execution to those plotlines. That depends on toei, whose filler and movies give you a good idea on how they do things and toyo who was a big fan and a fanfic writer.


This whole value of art in super was dead on arrival.