"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Because I understand how production work.

You know? Do you work in the camp, or do you expect to know how exactly they work? It's not a TV series that takes a lot more time. The writing of episodes, of an entire saga, including the final, is not a procedure that is written in block

But, even the series usually have a "vertical" and a "horizontal" narrations . That advances are not always the same but vary depending on the episodes or by strings. That "vertical" begins and ends in an single episode, like in auto-conclusive fillers, while horizontal is the story that goes on for more episodes and covers an entire arc. In the original scriptment Toriyama has reported 10 participants, and the various Toei's staffs have begun, based on his lines, to write episodes, totally filler, entirely focusing on their recruitment. They have no interest to suprise the pubblic, and the recruitment of each new person has ben anticipated months in advance. Freeza is the only singularity, so it is highly likely that her is a filler-self-concluding one, for nothing anticipated.

So, yes, it's really, very, possible that this has been a further re-draft to please the insatiable fans.

Freeza are in those things and so are the other villains like Cell and all the forms of Buu especially the video games and the filler. And Freeza was the butt monkey in them movies until Resurrection 'F'.

The others have had 6 appearances between movie, fillers, canonical repertoire and a horrible horrible canonical movie, made on the basis of a hormone's song?

It takes about as long or longer to do an animated series because you actually need to draw everything, not just get actors in place. On averaged, it takes six weeks for one episode. So everything needs to be in order before one single drawing is in place. Changing the roster at the last minute is a big chance since they not only have to change the script, but also write new episodes to explain the change, which throws everything off. The 'padding' was plan ahead of time and since we don't have Toriyama's outline, it is guess on your part that recruitment was all 'filler' outside of some obvious ones like the space poachers.

So no, it's really, really, really unlikely that Freeza was brought in at the last minute. If it was a last minute chance, it was done months ago. For reference, Toriyama stated to write the Future Trunks Saga in October and wasn't finished until February. The Future Trunks Saga aired around June.

Resurrection 'F' being horrible is subjective since it has the same ranking as Battle of Gods and so what it is made on the basics of a song. That just proves how popular Freeza since he got a villain song long before he had his own movie.

[ArchedThunder]

It takes about as long or longer to do an animated series because you actually need to draw everything, not just get actors in place. On averaged, it takes six weeks for one episode. So everything needs to be in order before one single drawing is in place. Changing the roster at the last minute is a big chance since they not only have to change the script, but also write new episodes to explain the change, which throws everything off. The 'padding' was plan ahead of time and since we don't have Toriyama's outline, it is guess on your part that recruitment was all 'filler' outside of some obvious ones like the space poachers.

So no, it's really, really, really unlikely that Freeza was brought in at the last minute. If it was a last minute chance, it was done months ago. For reference, Toriyama stated to write the Future Trunks Saga in October and wasn't finished until February. The Future Trunks Saga aired around June.

Resurrection 'F' being horrible is subjective since it has the same ranking as Battle of Gods and so what it is made on the basics of a song. That just proves how popular Freeza since he got a villain song long before he had his own movie.

MORE than 6 weeks actually, and that's not counting scripting and storyboarding.
Yeah, this arc has almost definitely been planned out from start to finish since before the first episode of the arc aired.

[HeroR]

I think Toei can pull it off. I mean, they were responsible for the version of Goku Black (The character most of the fanbase was saying would fail before he even debuted) that made the character so popular.

Something I can proudly said I wasn't part of. I loved the idea of Goku Black from the jump. It was Future Trunks coming back that made me iffy.

[HeroR]

Dang, man. It's like we have more faith in the ability of the original author to execute the material and make decisions that are beneficial to the story than we do a committee of writers at Toei.

You got us! Unreasonable double-standard exposed!

That was in the past but now its clear that Toriyama just doesnt have it anymore, his last good works were the BoG movie and the Jaco manga. The fact Toriyama wanted Black to be like Super Buu(see DBS Manga), and Hit being an overhyped character(see again DBS manga) tells you he is out of touch.

He doesn't write the manga, he only approves of Toyo's work. He does the same thing with the anime, he approves of everything they do which includes Hit and Black's characterization. If you're going to blame Toriyama for stuff, at least get the basic right.

[HeroR]

I think it's more that Toriyama was 100% responsible for Freeza's comeback (and fate) in RoF, which always raised very vocal criticism. Not that Toei's handling of his returns in movies and GT were any better, but..

Either way, considering the completely different circumstances this time, this could easily end up being great or terrible, but i'll wait to see if Freeza actually joins the team. I'm still doubtful. For all we know this could be another red herring and Goku sees no other choice than taking Yamcha for real.

It's a team effort. Toriyama comes up with the idea, Toei executes it, which is a perfect combo for me. Toriyama in my eyes often falls short in the execution, but he has a great story basics. Toei falls short on ideas, but have great execution when they have a strong base to work from. Example, History of Trunks. The same with the Future Trunks Saga. Toriyama's idea, but it was Toei execution that made that arc. We can see this when we look at Toyo's version. Same story, vastly inferior (Imo) because of the execution.

Super is Toei, Toriyama, and even Toyo. They raise and fall together.

[Chuquita]

I loved the idea of an "evil Gokû" who had become that way over time after being dealt an almost irreversible tragic event and repeatedly failing to repair it. Like something Future Trunks level of loss. My theory that this was who the "evil Gokû" was ended up being wrong, but I still really enjoyed Gokû Black in the anime for the over-the-top, modern anime villain he was; I really do miss him. (And I'd rather have him back instead of Freeza.)

[jeffbr92]

I loved the idea of an "evil Gokû" who had become that way over time after being dealt an almost irreversible tragic event and repeatedly failing to repair it. Like something Future Trunks level of loss. My theory that this was who the "evil Gokû" was ended up being wrong, but I still really enjoyed Gokû Black in the anime for the over-the-top, modern anime villain he was; I really do miss him. (And I'd rather have him back instead of Freeza.)

SSJR Goku Black in the U10 Team whiping the floor with weak ass fighters in the ToP would be gold!

[Chuquita]

I loved the idea of an "evil Gokû" who had become that way over time after being dealt an almost irreversible tragic event and repeatedly failing to repair it. Like something Future Trunks level of loss. My theory that this was who the "evil Gokû" was ended up being wrong, but I still really enjoyed Gokû Black in the anime for the over-the-top, modern anime villain he was; I really do miss him. (And I'd rather have him back instead of Freeza.)

SSJR Goku Black in the U10 Team whiping the floor with weak ass fighters in the ToP would be gold!

I agree!

I would like to see him return someday. If they can bring Freeza back yet again then I'll hold out hope that somewhere down the line Gokû Black might have a chance to return.

[SaiyanGod117]

Him allowing vegeta to escape just to fight him again was stupid. This man was indirectly responsible for the death of your friends and you let him go. What if Vegeta got healed as soon as he landed and came right back to Earth. They all would have died and it be on Goku's head.

It was more a bit both selfish and stupid, but he doesn't let him go out of forgiveness, he lets him to so he can sometime later in the future have another go at him. Also lets not use what-if scenarios there's whole lot of speculation and guesswork that goes into to them, that will amount but nothing to conjecture.

Goku gets on namek and then he works with Vegeta. Yes, he was helping but for selfish reasons and Goku relies on him. Does he not know Vegeta's character? Then Freeza happens and he kills his best friend and Goku transforms. Instead of killing Freeza instantly. he toys with him and then he allows to power up to full power. He had no idea how strong Freeza was. Then after Freeza defeats himself, he gives him energy and lets. him. go.

I love how you so nonchalantly explain this, when he got to Namek there was no else to rely on for help except Vegeta. Most of his friends are dead, as strong as Gohan and Krillin powered up on Namek by that point they still wouldn't be a viable asset in the battles coming forward. They would have been more of a hindrance, then help. Additionally, it seems like your blaming Goku for things he had no control over. There was no possible way Goku could have stopped Frieza from killing Krillin he was completely drained of Ki and stamina. (At first everyone thought Frieza was dead, after dropping that huge Spirit Bomb on him.) Futhermore, in the manga Goku barely even toyed with Frieza, he was trying to end the battle quickly possible. Even after Frieza reached 100% of his power he was still trying to end the battle as quickly as possible. As a matter of fact he was sending death threats to Frieza the whole fight, so to the contrary his intent to the whole fight even before turning SSJ was to end it.

Now this murderer killed innocent people even children and Goku not only lets him go but gives more than enough to launch a ki blast at him.

One of Goku's character traits is his leniency it can be a either asset or liability.

Then we get to Cell and its even worse. Goku is told the apocalypse was going to happen and Bulma gives an idea on how to stop it. Vegeta rejects and Goku agrees for the same reason, he does say he hasn't done anything wrong but then he says he wants a challenge.

Yea, know that was stupid decision I guess, but everyone was on-board with it even Krillin. Moreover without a common threat who knows when Vegeta would have mounted an attack attack against Goku.

And then we are in the time chamber and he spends all this time training Gohan and barely training himself. Gohan says this. Meaning Goku put the world in the hands of his 10 year old son. Then during the fight he gives Cell a senzu bean to give his son a fair fight.

He does train himself a lot. Where are you getting this information from? A lot of these "stupid" moments your listing you seem to not know the full context of them.

Then the buu saga happens, Goku is the main reason that Buu is revived. Vegeta became majin to beat him. Thats not the dumb part. It was fighting Vegeta evenly which lead to the revival of Buu when we later learned he could have stopped it, and don't give me the Vegeta pride crap. Vegeta is a saiyan, he rather be beaten by your strongest than crush your weakest. Then he puts the hands in the world in a 7 year old and an 8 year old, children which worked so well last time.

I will just say defeating one enemy, would have most likely spawned another enemy.

Then he purposely stalls when he can crush Majin Buu but he wants the kids to have a chance when it wasn't even their fault. This mistake lead to the first time Erath was destroyed and it was all on Goku.

All of these could have horribly backfired and one actually did, but the plot bails him out.

We can say they are reckless, selfish but the fact is Goku makes the same mistake several times. That makes him dumb

He could have handled it better, but he had the right idea in mind.

[Boo Machine]

Yea, know that was stupid decision I guess, but everyone was on-board with it even Krillin. Moreover without a common threat who knows when Vegeta would have mounted an attack attack against Goku.
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Why do people always worry about what Vegeta might do in this situation? Of course he would challenge Goku at some point. Everyone knows it. Goku knows it to and most likely welcomes the challenge. It was the whole reason he spared him in the first place. And everyone appears to be cool enough with him that bulma is letting him hang out with them even before Goku arrives. Vegeta at this point isn't as big of a wild card as people think.

I know it's off topic but it always baffles me when people bring up what Vegeta "might" do when trying to makes sense of an action. Like waiting for the androids as opposed to just nipping the problem in the bud.

[SaiyanGod117]

Yea, know that was stupid decision I guess, but everyone was on-board with it even Krillin. Moreover without a common threat who knows when Vegeta would have mounted an attack attack against Goku.
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Why do people always worry about what Vegeta might do in this situation? Of course he would challenge Goku at some point. Everyone knows it. Goku knows it to and most likely welcomes the challenge. It was the whole reason he spared him in the first place. And everyone appears to be cool enough with him that bulma is letting him hang out with them even before Goku arrives. Vegeta at this point isn't as big of a wild card as people think.

I know it's off topic but it always baffles me when people bring up what Vegeta "might" do when trying to makes sense of an action. Like waiting for the androids as opposed to just nipping the problem in the bud.

Welp Toriyama put that in there not me. He wouldn't have made Krillin say it, if he didn't think it. Vegeta was still evil to the core, just because he was leaving with Bulma means nothing, really the only reason he was staying on Earth because he was waiting for Goku.

[HeroR]

I already mentioned it before, but it should be with just Toyotaro being the main writer of DBS, and then the Dragon Ball Room are his filter/editors, its the perfect combo because Toriyama only cares about gags and nothing else.

I know Toei isnt 100% perfect but besides Anime Black, I liked how they have redeemed Gohan, who went from the biggest joke in the show to a respected top tier fighter.

After reading his version of AF and the Future Trunks Saga. No, just no. Toyo is a mediocre writer.

Soo random question but considering we were told recently only 28 planets have life...how many could those poachers really be poaching from...and if they steal from everyone who are they selling to....

Intelligent life. Animals don't count.

[Boo Machine]

Yea, know that was stupid decision I guess, but everyone was on-board with it even Krillin. Moreover without a common threat who knows when Vegeta would have mounted an attack attack against Goku.
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Why do people always worry about what Vegeta might do in this situation? Of course he would challenge Goku at some point. Everyone knows it. Goku knows it to and most likely welcomes the challenge. It was the whole reason he spared him in the first place. And everyone appears to be cool enough with him that bulma is letting him hang out with them even before Goku arrives. Vegeta at this point isn't as big of a wild card as people think.

I know it's off topic but it always baffles me when people bring up what Vegeta "might" do when trying to makes sense of an action. Like waiting for the androids as opposed to just nipping the problem in the bud.

Welp Toriyama put that in there not me. He wouldn't have made Krillin say it, if he didn't think it. Vegeta was still evil to the core, just because he was leaving with Bulma means nothing, really the only reason he was staying on Earth because he was waiting for Goku.

Exactly. He was willing to adhere to whatever rules to get what he wanted. A rematch with Goku.I know what krillin implies but he had no reason to worry. At that point Goku would destroy Vegeta and he knows it to. If not for a common enemy I see no reason to think he wouldn't have continued to train on his own till he reached SSJ then come back to challenge Goku, a challenge I'm sure Goku himself would be waiting for. The androids just gave Vegeta a reason to train harder. I'm sure Vegeta would be a threat at some point but not one that Goku couldn't handle.

[sintzu]

Broly will be the villain of the new 4D movie/episode.

https://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-the-re ... broly-god/

Goku will have SsjB and Broly will have a new form so it looks like it will be set somewhere in Super's timeline.

This will be an easy way to write him into the show itself so get ready for 2 brolies, the original of u7 and the female one from u6.

[Kanassa]

Broly will be the villain of the new 4D movie/episode.

https://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-the-re ... broly-god/

Goku will have SsjB and Broly will have a new form so it looks like it will be set somewhere in Super's timeline.

This will be an easy way to write him into the show itself so get ready for 2 brolies, the original of u7 and the female one from u6.

Why does God Broly have such luscious hair!? WHAT SUPER SAIYAN CONDITIONER DOES HE USE!?

[emperior]

What's this Broly thing? It sounds quite stupid to be honest.

About the Freezer returning thing: don't overreact. I bet Toriyama has awesome ideas for Freezer or else he would never bring him back.
By the end of this arc many of us will probably praise this decision.

[Boo Machine]

Broly will be the villain of the new 4D movie/episode.

https://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-the-re ... broly-god/

Goku will have SsjB and Broly will have a new form so it looks like it will be set somewhere in Super's timeline.

This will be an easy way to write him into the show itself so get ready for 2 brolies, the original of u7 and the female one from u6.

Not gonna lie, I would totally wanna see this. The 4-D thing, not him in super necessarily.

Bet that God broly figure/Card/toy/game is going to sell like crazy.

[Simere]

Is that claymation?

[dbgtFO]

What's this Broly thing? It sounds quite stupid to be honest.

Check the link and you might find out.

About the Freezer returning thing: don't overreact. I bet Toriyama has awesome ideas for Freezer or else he would never bring him back.
By the end of this arc many of us will probably praise this decision.

I hope it ties in to Neko Majin ie. Freeza becomes a guy Vegeta is willing to work for and he fathers Kuriza and he somehow gains another Saiyan underling in Onio.

[HeroR]

What's this Broly thing? It sounds quite stupid to be honest.

About the Freezer returning thing: don't overreact. I bet Toriyama has awesome ideas for Freezer or else he would never bring him back.
By the end of this arc many of us will probably praise this decision.

My biggest issue with Freeza is that he's a moron. He would so get himself and his universe erased just to get back at Goku. Again, same moron who shot at Super Saiyan Goku after he lost his entire lower half, his arm, and was reduced to begging for his life. I can see Freeza joining just so he can shoot him in the back while he's fighting someone else. Then again, Goku may liked that.