"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Totamo]

Broly will be the villain of the new 4D movie/episode.

https://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-the-re ... broly-god/

Goku will have SsjB and Broly will have a new form so it looks like it will be set somewhere in Super's timeline.

This will be an easy way to write him into the show itself so get ready for 2 brolies, the original of u7 and the female one from u6.

Is that why they made female broly? To advertise for a ride?!

I knew there was a point.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Broly will be the villain of the new 4D movie/episode.

https://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-the-re ... broly-god/

Goku will have SsjB and Broly will have a new form so it looks like it will be set somewhere in Super's timeline.

This will be an easy way to write him into the show itself so get ready for 2 brolies, the original of u7 and the female one from u6.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Super you are just going to confuse people.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Do you guys think that they'll slightly change the opening once Freeza joins the team? Just replace all shots that had Buu with Freeza instead.

[Totamo]

Do you guys think that they'll slightly change the opening once Freeza joins the team? Just replace all shots that had Buu with Freeza instead.

At least that will give us a clue if he is in or not.

The original didn't change until episode 16.


How long is this arc going to be?

[SansrivaaL]

Do you guys think that they'll slightly change the opening once Freeza joins the team? Just replace all shots that had Buu with Freeza instead.

They may change it this july or when the ToP officialy starts. There will probably be too much spoilers if they change it the moment Freeza joins in.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I already mentioned it before, but it should be with just Toyotaro being the main writer of DBS, and then the Dragon Ball Room are his filter/editors, its the perfect combo because Toriyama only cares about gags and nothing else.

I know Toei isnt 100% perfect but besides Anime Black, I liked how they have redeemed Gohan, who went from the biggest joke in the show to a respected top tier fighter.

After reading his version of AF and the Future Trunks Saga. No, just no. Toyo is a mediocre writer.

Soo random question but considering we were told recently only 28 planets have life...how many could those poachers really be poaching from...and if they steal from everyone who are they selling to....

Intelligent life. Animals don't count.

Was that confirmed?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Frieza yet again?
I've really lost hope for Super to be ever good. It's a bummer, because they do seem to be exhausting every possible good development and doing it in an underwhelming manner.

Guess that's what happen when your goal is to have a series airing in order to sell merchandise rather than to tell a story.

Dragon Ball jumped that shark well well before Super, it started in the Cell arc where everyone started getting the fabled Super Saiyan transformation to point where little kiddies with no effort got it in the Buu arc.

The Buu saga was so much more consistent overall than what generally happens in Super now it's ridiculous. If anything it should make some people appreciate the Buu saga more when we didn't have wild power level fluctuations, most characters got good spotlight or a time to shine, and the characters who retired from fighting weren't treated like a joke such as Yamcha. Seriously compare Buu saga Yamcha to how he's treated now, it's a world of difference even though he wasn't a fighter back then either.

Okay let us see, doesn't participate in the World's Martial Arts tournament, get's turned into chocolate and eaten & the only notable thing he does is the entire arc is donate energy to Goku.... I'm sorry but not seeing this world of difference you are.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Dragon Ball jumped that shark well well before Super, it started in the Cell arc where everyone started getting the fabled Super Saiyan transformation to point where little kiddies with no effort got it in the Buu arc.

The Buu saga was so much more consistent overall than what generally happens in Super now it's ridiculous. If anything it should make some people appreciate the Buu saga more when we didn't have wild power level fluctuations, most characters got good spotlight or a time to shine, and the characters who retired from fighting weren't treated like a joke such as Yamcha. Seriously compare Buu saga Yamcha to how he's treated now, it's a world of difference even though he wasn't a fighter back then either.

Okay let us see, doesn't participate in the World's Martial Arts tournament, get's turned into chocolate and eaten & the only notable thing he does is the entire arc is donate energy to Goku.... I'm sorry but not seeing this world of difference you are.

Yamcha has been weak since Dragon Ball. He may have trained at different points but he is always treated like a weakling. He doesnt even have the feats of Krillin or Tien to fall back on.

[HeroR]

Was that confirmed?

No. It is mostly a fan theory that Toyo will replaced Toriyama as the writer of Super once he steps down.

On the planet level, yes. Supreme Kai said that there are 28 planets with mortal life. Meaning intelligent life since that was what Black and Zamasu was skilling. They didn't hunt animals for example since they didn't misused the god's knowledge.

[Alruneia]

Soo random question but considering we were told recently only 28 planets have life...how many could those poachers really be poaching from...and if they steal from everyone who are they selling to....

Intelligent life. Animals don't count.

Was that confirmed?

It's essentially confirmed through Zamasu's anti-ningen actions:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
As you can see, nature outside the city is completely untouched. If animals were also ningen, I don't think that would be the case.

[TheMikado]

Broly will be the villain of the new 4D movie/episode.

https://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-the-re ... broly-god/

Goku will have SsjB and Broly will have a new form so it looks like it will be set somewhere in Super's timeline.

This will be an easy way to write him into the show itself so get ready for 2 brolies, the original of u7 and the female one from u6.

Is that why they made female broly? To advertise for a ride?!

I knew there was a point.

This is that whole "modern dragonball to make money" thing you keep talking about. Broly-God??? Jesus SSJ4 was bad enough but at least it made sense because he had a tail and SSJ... but God Broly??? How is that even possible given the criteria? I love Broly but this makes me sick to my stomach.

[kinisking]

Broly will be the villain of the new 4D movie/episode.

https://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-the-re ... broly-god/

Goku will have SsjB and Broly will have a new form so it looks like it will be set somewhere in Super's timeline.

This will be an easy way to write him into the show itself so get ready for 2 brolies, the original of u7 and the female one from u6.

Is that why they made female broly? To advertise for a ride?!

I knew there was a point.

This is that whole "modern dragonball to make money" thing you keep talking about. Broly-God??? Jesus SSJ4 was bad enough but at least it made sense because he had a tail and SSJ... but God Broly??? How is that even possible given the criteria? I love Broly but this makes me sick to my stomach.

Dude, this is just a movie. They've always been cash grabs. Besides, you don't need to be pure hearted to get god ki. The SSG ritual needs it, but not god ki.

[Araki]

Apparently, "old Dragon Ball" didn't resurrect Brolly two times in a row to make money. It was a great idea and purely for artistic purposes.

[HeroR]

Apparently, "old Dragon Ball" didn't resurrect Brolly two times in a row to make money. It was a great idea and purely for artistic purposes.

Nor Cooler. It was all completely done for the artistic purposes, even if Metal Cooler is a guilty pleasure of mines.

[Kanassa]

Nor Cooler. It was all completely done for the artistic purposes, even if Metal Cooler is a guilty pleasure of mines.

Don't besmudge my memories of Cooler with mention of that metal imitation!

[GodKaio-Ken]

Intelligent life. Animals don't count.

Was that confirmed?

It's essentially confirmed through Zamasu's anti-ningen actions:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
As you can see, nature outside the city is completely untouched. If animals were also ningen, I don't think that would be the case.

My question is how do we know there are more planets with animal life than "human" life. Human meaning higher evolved life form in this case.

I'm asking if that is ever implied or stated.

[Gorou]

So everything needs to be in order before one single drawing is in place. Changing the roster at the last minute is a big chance since they not only have to change the script, but also write new episodes to explain the change, which throws everything off. The 'padding' was plan ahead of time and since we don't have Toriyama's outline, it is guess on your part that recruitment was all 'filler' outside of some obvious ones like the space poachers.

Quite false. It seems to me that you do not have the slightest knowledge of the huge work that requires a TV series. A TV series has to handle writing, recordings editing, sound, action scene, different shots (often certain scenes, or dialogues, must be repeated a few times), a much more varied cast, with lots of extras in the background. An anime is based on script writing, graphic correspondence, and dubbing. There is not the slightest comparison.

And I read that Toei's under paid staff were able to make an episode in two weeks, so your argument inexorably falls. And the definitive proof that the toei often make speed changes is the exchange with Jiren and Tappo on the 11th universe platform

So no, it's really, really, really unlikely that Freeza was brought in at the last minute.

It's as clear as the sun. There is not only one evidence that can prove the opposite

If it was a last minute chance, it was done months ago. For reference, Toriyama stated to write the Future Trunks Saga in October and wasn't finished until February. The Future Trunks Saga aired around June.

Again, do you have the author's script in hand? You know in what misure a scriptment can be short, poor of detail, and what license does the manga author and the toei have? Judging by the huge differences between manga and souls in multiple aspects, Toriyama's giudelines involve only the main events.

Resurrection 'F' being horrible is subjective

No, it is adjective, given that it present a weaved plot, full of forcing,inconsistencies, and an absolutely anti-climatic finale.

That just proves how popular Freeza since he got a villain song long before he had his own movie.

Freeza's character is popular, even stones know it. This does not justify the continuous and unremitting and nauseating reproof of a character.

[HeroR]

So everything needs to be in order before one single drawing is in place. Changing the roster at the last minute is a big chance since they not only have to change the script, but also write new episodes to explain the change, which throws everything off. The 'padding' was plan ahead of time and since we don't have Toriyama's outline, it is guess on your part that recruitment was all 'filler' outside of some obvious ones like the space poachers.

Quite false. It seems to me that you do not have the slightest knowledge of the huge work that requires a TV series. A TV series has to handle shots, editing, sound, acting (often certain scenes must be repeated a few times), a much more varied cast, with lots of extras in the background. An anime is based on script writing, graphic correspondence, and dubbing. There is not the slightest comparison.

And I read that Toei's under paid staff were able to make an episode in two weeks, so your argument inexorably falls. And the definitive proof that the toei often make speed changes is the exchange with Jiren and Tappo on the 11th universe platform

So no, it's really, really, really unlikely that Freeza was brought in at the last minute.

It's as clear as the sun. There is not only one evidence that can prove the opposite

If it was a last minute chance, it was done months ago. For reference, Toriyama stated to write the Future Trunks Saga in October and wasn't finished until February. The Future Trunks Saga aired around June.

Again, do you have the author's script in hand? You know in what misure a scriptment can be short, poor of detail, and what license does the manga author and the toei have? Judging by the huge differences between manga and souls in multiple aspects, Toriyama's giudelines involve only the main events.

Resurrection 'F' being horrible is subjective

No, it is adjective, given that it present a weaved plot, full of forcing, incoingruences, and an absolutely anti-climatic finale.

That just proves how popular Freeza since he got a villain song long before he had his own movie.

Freeza's character is popular, even stones know it. This does not justify the continuous and unremitting and nauseating reproof of a character.

Animation is far more complicated than that. Storyboarding needs to be done, sketches need to be done, character sheets need to be done, all before anyone even begins drawing. There is pre-production and corrections too. You clearly don't understand how animation work. We have a thread here about this subject, so I suggest you go there and see how complicated it really is to draw just one episode.

Also, there is no way any episode is done in two weeks. At it's work during the retellings, it took four to five weeks to put out an episode, and that is severely rushed. On a whole, each episode in this saga had six to seven weeks in the cooker. Again, visit the animation forum around here before spouting such nonsense. Also, the figure wasn't Jiren since the figure doesn't even match what Jiren looks like.

Its also clear as the sun that you have no clue how production works and you're literally talking from a place of ignorance.

We have an interview where they tell us how long it took Toriyama to script those that saga, so it isn't guess work. And we know the license Toei and Toyo have. They fill in the details, but they follow Toriyama's basic story. He's the one who chose the ten men team, that have been stated, such as him wanting Android 17 back. Suddenly bringing back Freeza is a huge freaking change and not something done on the fly. It was plan months ago, so stop pretending this decision was made over a weekend over ramen noodles.

That isn't 'objective'. The only thing that is factually true in what you wrote is that ending was anti-climatic and that was on purpose. So yes, it's subjective. You don't like it, fine. But don't pretend your opinion is fact.

It does because people want him back. Don't like, tough cookies. And learn about production.

[TheMikado]

Apparently, "old Dragon Ball" didn't resurrect Brolly two times in a row to make money. It was a great idea and purely for artistic purposes.

Nor Cooler. It was all completely done for the artistic purposes, even if Metal Cooler is a guilty pleasure of mines.

Ugh both the metal cooler and Broly sequels were terrible. My beef is that something Broly related it's being "canonized" on an official series for what seems like a lead in marketing product. The idea of Broly in some form being "canonized" for the purpose of sales rather then being a legitimate good and interesting artistic concept really irks me because, as I've expressed before I see artistic value in the LSSJ concept and it's original execution but that aspect doesn't seem to be the intent here and more exploitative of his popularity. It further cheapens an already controversial character who struggles to find relevance in the "canonical" fanbase.

[TheMikado]

Also we do know that Toriyamas plot for the universal arc was barebones and they had to flesh it out. The producer himself said so. Couple that with the fact that they specifically stated that this arc was being written by Toriyama the same way the other arc have and I don't know what other conclusions you could draw other than his outlines being barebones throughout the series.