"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Neon Z]

It's as clear as the sun. There is not only one evidence that can prove the opposite

Like I mentioned before, Heroes has been previewing for a while a tv tie in story where the party goes to hell to recruit someone for the Universe Survival arc. Heroes usually has taken months to add Toei stuff that wasn't in Toriyama's outline, like SSB Kaioken and SSJ Rage Trunks, so it's very unlikely this is a last minute change. There's also how Fat Buu conveniently had the smallest presence in the opening, only appearing for group shots of the entire cast, in spite of having an oddly big role in the beginning of the anime version of the arc.

[Alruneia]

My question is how do we know there are more planets with animal life than "human" life. Human meaning higher evolved life form in this case.

I'm asking if that is ever implied or stated.

Oh, I see. No, for that I don't think we have anything except the real world fact that we know of far more species that don't qualify as ningen than species that do. As far as I'm aware nothing's implied or stated either way.

[sintzu]

This has absolutely nothing to do with Super you are just going to confuse people.

It has SsjB Goku so it's set somewhere after RF.

I know it's not under the Super name but neither was BOG and RF so there's nothing stopping them from turning this into a Super product later down the line like those 2.

This is that whole "modern dragonball to make money" thing you keep talking about.

Back in the manga days the merchandise was made based on the story but now the story is written based on the merchandise.

The problem with modern DB is that it's too afraid to leave the original's (mainly Z) shadow so it keeps making all these call backs to it instead of being its fully original product.

[Gorou]

Animation is far more complicated than that. Storyboarding needs to be done, sketches need to be done, character sheets need to be done, all before anyone even begins drawing. There is pre-production and corrections too. You clearly don't understand how animation work. We have a thread here about this subject, so I suggest you go there and see how complicated it really is to draw just one episode.

Animation is no way more complicated than a TV series, in any way. In fact, a high-budget TV series per year can pull out at most a dozen episodes in general. Then, it's a comparison that changes according to the required quality, but Super is continuous, unlike other anime, because is poor.

There is a lot of work behind, but there are also several staff, and according to the quality in the single episode, they were able to produce an episode even within two weeks.

There is no way that supposing your forum culture can deny who has tried it with hand. At the base, work is always that . It varies according to quality. In two, we were able to create an amateur animated product, albeit of a very low quality, within 4-5 days.
For an amateur live action, instead, we spent two weeks, with framing, setting, editing, mistakes, and sound.

Also, there is no way any episode is done in two weeks. At it's work during the retellings, it took four to five weeks to put out an episode, and that is severely rushed

Yours is a forum culture, it's as worthy of a void paper. Try it first hand as I did, and then let me know.

With stylized omics and simple backgrounds. The storyboard can be fairly simple. Most animation forms can be included in animation categories on stop motion animation, 2D computer animation, and 3D computer animation. Everything is based on quality.

. Also, the figure wasn't Jiren since the figure doesn't even match what Jiren looks like.

This is Jiren at 100% https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5aFZ6TdcAJE/maxresdefault.jpg

We have an interview where they tell us how long it took Toriyama to script those that saga, so it isn't guess work. And we know the license Toei and Toyo have. They fill in the details, but they follow Toriyama's basic story. He's the one who chose the ten men team, that have been stated, such as him wanting Android 17 back. Suddenly bringing back Freeza is a huge freaking change and not something done on the fly. It was plan months ago, so stop pretending this decision was made over a weekend over ramen noodles.

Again, did you read the basic script of the series? Have you ever written / made a basic script to any movie/series? Have you ever talked to someone who writes the script of any work by profession? It's not about scriptwriting, but about the ladder that describes the main events that the script writer (or your co-writer at best has) to start evaluating how "spins" the story, which scenes will have to write, how they are tied between Theirs, etc ... is a WORKING tool, in short.

That isn't 'objective'

It is all objective, both, forcing and inconsistencies. It is not my fault if you do not know how to build a story well and put it into a more extended one without affecting its internal rules.

[HeroR]

Animation is far more complicated than that. Storyboarding needs to be done, sketches need to be done, character sheets need to be done, all before anyone even begins drawing. There is pre-production and corrections too. You clearly don't understand how animation work. We have a thread here about this subject, so I suggest you go there and see how complicated it really is to draw just one episode.

Animation is no way more complicated than a TV series, in any way. In fact, a high-budget TV series per year can pull out at most a dozen episodes in general. Then, it's a comparison that changes according to the required quality Super is continuous, unlike other anime, because it is poor.

There is a lot of work behind, but there are also several staffs, and according to the quality in the single episode, they were able to produce an episode even within two weeks.

There is no way that supposing your forum culture can deny who has tried it with hand. At the base, work is always that . It varies according to quality. In two, we were able to create an amateur animated product, albeit of a very low quality, within 4-5 days.
For an amateur live action, instead, we spent two weeks, with framing, setting, editing, mistakes, and sound.

Also, there is no way any episode is done in two weeks. At it's work during the retellings, it took four to five weeks to put out an episode, and that is severely rushed

Yours is a forum culture, it's as worthy of paper. Try it first hand as I did, and then let me know.

With stylized omics and simple backgrounds. The storyboard can be fairly simple. Most animation forms can be included in animation categories on stop motion animation, 2D computer animation, and 3D computer animation. Everything is based on quality.

. Also, the figure wasn't Jiren since the figure doesn't even match what Jiren looks like.

This is Jiren at 100% https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5aFZ6TdcAJE/maxresdefault.jpg

We have an interview where they tell us how long it took Toriyama to script those that saga, so it isn't guess work. And we know the license Toei and Toyo have. They fill in the details, but they follow Toriyama's basic story. He's the one who chose the ten men team, that have been stated, such as him wanting Android 17 back. Suddenly bringing back Freeza is a huge freaking change and not something done on the fly. It was plan months ago, so stop pretending this decision was made over a weekend over ramen noodles.

Again, did you read the basic script of the series? Have you ever written / made a basic script to any movie/series? Have you ever talked to someone who writes the script of any work by profession? It's not about scriptwriting, but about the ladder that describes the main events that the script writer (or your co-writer at best has) to start evaluating how "spins" the story, which scenes will have to write, how they are tied between Theirs, etc ... is a WORKING tool, in short.

That isn't 'objective'

It is all objective, both, forcing and inconsistencies. It is not my fault if you do not know how to build a story well and put it into a more extended one without affecting its internal rules.

There is no point talking to you if you can't be bother to learn more about production and you keep believing your own ignorance on the matter.

Also, "It is not my fault if you do not know how to build a story well and put it into a more extended one without affecting its internal rules". Keep whining. You don't like Resurrection 'F', whatever. It is still subjective that the movie was terrible since the movie has the same rating as Battle of Gods, both which are beloved.

[Lord Beerus]

Gorou, I think it would be best that you read this article. Because your grasp for how animation in Japan is produced is quite inaccurate.

And just to put into perspective, as you may claim an 22 minute episode of animation of decent quality can be produced in two weeks, on average it takes three weeks just to storyboard one episode.

[HeroR]

Gorou, I think it would be best that you read this article. Because your grasp for how animation in Japan is produced is quite inaccurate.

And just to put into perspective, as you may claim an 22 minute episode of animation of decent quality can be produced in two weeks, on average it takes three weeks just to storyboard one episode.

Oh thank you, you're my hero

Doing an anime of even shit quality takes more than two weeks. Even the worst animated episode of Super took around four weeks and we know the latest arc is hovering around six to seven.

[Gorou]

Also, "It is not my fault if you do not know how to build a story well and put it into a more extended one without affecting its internal rules". Keep whining. You don't like Resurrection 'F', whatever. It is still subjective that the movie was terrible since the movie has the same rating as Battle of Gods, both which are beloved.

The problem is that you think that production times are the same regardless quality, when it varies enormously depending on the single work.

The whole story of RoF contradicts in different aspects the original story and undermines its internal coherence. The success is not synonymous with quality. In the top lists of the major films, there is a lot of trash, with a risible direction, a poorly recitazion, e a high number of registic rules's violations .

There are ways to evaluate a movie, and an anime, objectively. Then, no one denies that one can not equally appreciate it. I persinaly enjoy with trash movies

[Gorou]

Gorou, I think it would be best that you read this article. Because your grasp for how animation in Japan is produced is quite inaccurate.

And just to put into perspective, as you may claim an 22 minute episode of animation of decent quality can be produced in two weeks, on average it takes three weeks just to storyboard one episode.

Yeah, but have you seen the quality level of the pieces used as example? They are light years ahead of the average of Super, or One Piece, for design quality and time frame.

[Lord Beerus]

Gorou, I think it would be best that you read this article. Because your grasp for how animation in Japan is produced is quite inaccurate.

And just to put into perspective, as you may claim an 22 minute episode of animation of decent quality can be produced in two weeks, on average it takes three weeks just to storyboard one episode.

Yeah, but have you seen the quality level of the pieces used as an example? They are light years ahead of the average of Super, or One Piece, for design quality and time frame.

The article is not a representation of how high quality anime are produced. It's a representation of how anime in general is produced. The point is that it takes time. Even for typical anime like Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto, Bleach etc.

[HeroR]

Also, "It is not my fault if you do not know how to build a story well and put it into a more extended one without affecting its internal rules". Keep whining. You don't like Resurrection 'F', whatever. It is still subjective that the movie was terrible since the movie has the same rating as Battle of Gods, both which are beloved.

The problem is that you think that production times are the same regardless quality, when it varies enormously depending on the single work.

The whole story of RoF contradicts in different aspects the original story and undermines its internal coherence. The success is not synonymous with quality. In the top lists of the major films, there is a lot of trash, with a risible direction, a poorly recitazion, e a higth numer of registic rules's violations .

There are ways to evaluate a movie, and an anime, objectively. Then, no one denies that one can not equally appreciate it. I persinaly enjoy with trash movies

Lord Beerus literally put an article for you to read and you still don't get it. Animating even a crappy episode takes more than two weeks. You can go talk to Ajay all about Super's producer and he will tell you that none of Super's episodes were done in that timeframe.

It doesn't contradicts anything. And I am not talking about success. People who reviewed the movie gave it the same rating or higher than Battle of Gods. And that is all your opinion that "major films, there is a lot of trash, with a risible direction, a poorly recitazion, e a higth numer of registic rules's violations". Honestly, this reads like 'why do people like what I hate?'.

[Gorou]

The article is not a representation of how high quality anime are produced. It's a representation of how anime in general is produced. The point is that it takes time. Even for typical anime like Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto, Bleach etc.

In fact, although with several staff, I have estimated in weeks, at least, for the animation (not writing) of a single episode.

[Lord Beerus]

The article is not a representation of how high quality anime are produced. It's a representation of how anime in general is produced. The point is that it takes time. Even for typical anime like Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto, Bleach etc.

In fact, although with several staff, I have estimated in weeks, at least, for the animation (not writing) of a single episode.

You see this diagram:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
This image illustrates the process it takes to produce an anime, as well as just a single episode of anime. There are many thing that need to happen before anything gets animated. And the time for the animation process itself varies with the kind of staff that are available.

[Gorou]

Lord Beerus literally put an article for you to read and you still don't get it. Animating even a crappy episode takes more than two weeks. You can go talk to Ajay all about Super's producer and he will tell you that none of Super's episodes were done in that timeframe.

The article reports the different stages of work, not the time, that you have arbitrarily estimating regardless of the quality of the work and staff numbers.

It doesn't contradicts anything.

It contradicts a plethora of rules inherent at hell and the strength of certain characters. Freeza's resurrection is forced and, in a normal context, it would not even happened (Piccolo and Gohan would have prevented it). The acts of many other protagonists is illogical. Goku, just to make an example, had already stopped to save the dangerous opponents from post- Freeza.

Nothing works, from the bases. And this are just sporadic examples. I would go off topic should list all the disasters made by that movie

And I am not talking about success. People who reviewed the movie gave it the same rating or higher than Battle of Gods. And that is all your opinion that "major films, there is a lot of trash, with a risible direction, a poorly recitazion, e a higth numer of registic rules's violations". Honestly, this reads like 'why do people like what I hate?'.

No one has said that he is "hated," but that he is poor for objectivity innumerable reasons , which most people not to see, or must simply ignore.

This image illustrates the process is take to produce an anime, as well as just a single episode of anime. There are many thing that need to happen before anything gets animated. And the time for the animation process itself varies with the kind of staff that are available.

I do not see indicated any times required.

[ArchedThunder]

Gorou, you have literally no idea what you're talking about when it comes to anime production, just stop.

[Gorou]

Gorou, you have literally no idea what you're talking about when it comes to anime production, just stop.

The talk about working time (which no one knows, but is simply estimates on the basis of sensations) was bound to a broader subject: the change of author's path to give a old character that people like more that the heavily under-exploited Boo, who In my opinion, is happened, or month ago or a few weeks ago.

Do not do all experts, with forum culture, because no one seems to have ever done anything with his own hand. Reading an article is easy, creating is totaly another thing.

[MagmonKai]

Dude move on. No one cares, we come to this thread to talk about things happening in the show, not how to make an anime!

[Gorou]

A user quoted me saying that he had evidence that I was wrong, and I answered him. I did not intend to drag the debate for a long time

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Back in the manga days the merchandise was made based on the story but now the story is written based on the merchandise.

The problem with modern DB is that it's too afraid to leave the original's (mainly Z) shadow so it keeps making all these call backs to it instead of being its fully original product.

Was it though? Because there was nothing interesting story-wise about Goten and Trunks getting SS... I think it was like how it is now back then but on a bit smaller scale.

I agree with your second statement though, they even have reverted the RF costumes!

I feel like Toriyama is the only one who is stopping Shueisha/Bandai going full nuts. If people think it is bad now it is only gonna get worse, if or when he leaves.

[Grimlock]

Not that I expect something to be announced just because it's Goku Day, but they could announce a TV Special for Dragon Ball Super, right?