"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

I'll just say this:

Freeza retuning was not a last minute decision. It was planned several months ago by Toriyama. And Toei spent several weeks to get the appropriate animators, script writers, voice actors and directors in place for the when the episode of Freeza's coming back was going to be air. The notion that Freeza retuning was a hastily made choice and that episode that will feature Freeza's return in Super was patched together in two to three weeks is ludicrous. Super's production is far from the greatest, but the staff behind the show has at the very least a decent perspective for how they want to produce episodes in juxtaposition to Toriyama's plot outline. Trust me, if Freeza returning was a last minute decision, then several episodes of Super would have to be re-animated, re-edited, re-scripted and re-dubbed. All in the span of four weeks. The show would potentially have to be taken off the air to give everybody time to get their shit ready for this as future episode wouldn't corroborate well with Freeza's return. No animated show, regardless of how good of a schedule they may have, would be able to handle that kind of task. The production behind the show would collapse because of this. Freeza returning was many months in the making, despite what kneejerk reactions may be on this.

[SansrivaaL]

Not that I expect something to be announced just because it's Goku Day, but they could announce a TV Special for Dragon Ball Super, right?

Goku day is done, in Japan at least.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I'll just say this:

Freeza retuning was not a last minute decision. It was planned several months ago by Toriyama. And Toei spent several weeks to get the appropriate animators, script writers, voice actors and directors in place for the when the episode of Freeza's coming back was going to be air. The notion that Freeza retuning was a hastily made choice and that episode that will feature Freeza's return in Super was patched together in two to three week is ludicrous. Super's production is far from the greatest, but the staff behind the show has at the very least a decent perspective for how they want to produce episodes in juxtaposition to Toriyama's plot outline. Trust me, if Freeza returning was a last minute decision, then several episodes of Super would have to be re-animated, re-edited, re-scripted and re-dubbed. All in the span of four weeks. The should would potentially have to be taken off the air to give everybody time to shit ready for this as future episode wouldn't corroborate well with Freeza's return. No animated show, regardless of how good of a schedule they may have, would be able to handle that kind of task. The production behind the show would collapse because of this. Freeza returning was many months in the making, despite what kneejerk reactions may be on this.

Agreed 100%

I think its really funny everyone says not to take the opening literally until it applies to something they dont like. Now its "But they teased us with the opening!"

[SansrivaaL]

Yea I pretty much agree with that this was planned way ahead, it was intended to be from the start, its just that they did a pretty bad job marketing it and pulling a misdirection by shafting Boo.

[sintzu]

Was it though? Because there was nothing interesting story-wise about Goten and Trunks getting SS... I think it was like how it is now back then but on a bit smaller scale.

I agree with your second statement though, they even have reverted the RF costumes!

I feel like Toriyama is the only one who is stopping Shueisha/Bandai going full nuts. If people think it is bad now it is only gonna get worse, if or when he leaves.

Toriyama said in an interview that due to it being the last arc he wanted to go all crazy with things so I think that's why they got Ssj at that age. He also said he didn't take into account the anime continuing when he came up with the ending so if he didn't take that into account I doubt he thought about the merchandise.

I really liked those. I thought they'd be modern DB's main image of those 2 but I guess I was wrong.

This is very much true. Although it's merchandise focused, he's still managed to make a good story out of it but when he leaves I think we'll get something like heroes where time and space are a mess and everyone from every era meet and get every known (and new) form.

[Lord Beerus]

I'll just say this:

Freeza retuning was not a last minute decision. It was planned several months ago by Toriyama. And Toei spent several weeks to get the appropriate animators, script writers, voice actors and directors in place for the when the episode of Freeza's coming back was going to be air. The notion that Freeza retuning was a hastily made choice and that episode that will feature Freeza's return in Super was patched together in two to three weeks is ludicrous. Super's production is far from the greatest, but the staff behind the show has at the very least a decent perspective for how they want to produce episodes in juxtaposition to Toriyama's plot outline. Trust me, if Freeza returning was a last minute decision, then several episodes of Super would have to be re-animated, re-edited, re-scripted and re-dubbed. All in the span of four weeks. The show would potentially have to be taken off the air to give everybody time to get their shit ready for this as future episode wouldn't corroborate well with Freeza's return. No animated show, regardless of how good of a schedule they may have, would be able to handle that kind of task. The production behind the show would collapse because of this. Freeza returning was many months in the making, despite what kneejerk reactions may be on this.

Agreed 100%

I think its really funny everyone says not to take the opening literally until it applies to something they dont like. Now its "But they teased us with the opening!"

Yeah, I don't buy the whole "They teased us about thin in the openings and endings" shit. Toyotaro literally spilled the beans that the roster for the Tournament of Power was going to change. This shit was planned from day one. That doesn't me you don't have to agree with it. It's just the direction they've always wanted to take with this arc.

[Gorou]

I'll just say this:

Freeza retuning was not a last minute decision. It was planned several months ago by Toriyama. And Toei spent several weeks to get the appropriate animators, script writers, voice actors and directors in place for the when the episode of Freeza's coming back was going to be air. The notion that Freeza retuning was a hastily made choice and that episode that will feature Freeza's return in Super was patched together in two to three week is ludicrous. Super's production is far from the greatest, but the staff behind the show has at the very least a decent perspective for how they want to produce episodes in juxtaposition to Toriyama's plot outline. Trust me, if Freeza returning was a last minute decision, then several episodes of Super would have to be re-animated, re-edited, re-scripted and re-dubbed. All in the span of four weeks. The should would potentially have to be taken off the air to give everybody time to shit ready for this as future episode wouldn't corroborate well with Freeza's return. No animated show, regardless of how good of a schedule they may have, would be able to handle that kind of task. The production behind the show would collapse because of this. Freeza returning was many months in the making, despite what kneejerk reactions may be on this.

In fact I assumed that it might have changed my mind a month ago, when the advertising campaign with the 10 participants, the intro, the posters, etc.. had already been published.
"Last Minute" is a hyperbolic way of saying.
And mentioning times not accurately estimate can not be considered a proof. My two-week estimate is based on the times that normally an 1 cour show anime requires: 30-35 week for 12-14 episodes, even is true that estimate is not apply to all studios or anime, and Toei is certainly one of the best. And incidentally, my judgment, totally negative, will certainly not change. Whether it was planned or not, for me, remains a tremendous scratch, at every point.

[perucho1990]

Was it though? Because there was nothing interesting story-wise about Goten and Trunks getting SS... I think it was like how it is now back then but on a bit smaller scale.

I agree with your second statement though, they even have reverted the RF costumes!

I feel like Toriyama is the only one who is stopping Shueisha/Bandai going full nuts. If people think it is bad now it is only gonna get worse, if or when he leaves.

Toriyama said in an interview that due to it being the last arc he wanted to go all crazy with things so I think that's why they got Ssj at that age. He also said he didn't take into account the anime continuing when he came up with the ending so if he didn't take that into account I doubt he thought about the merchandise.

I really liked those. I thought they'd be modern DB's main image of those 2 but I guess I was wrong.

This is very much true. Although it's merchandise focused, he's still managed to make a good story out of it but when he leaves I think we'll get something like heroes where time and space are a mess and everyone from every era meet and get every known (and new) form.

When Toriyama leaves, that would make Toyotaro the main script writer, which is the best for the franchise, the series needs someone that is in touch with whats going on in 2017, need ideas that are outside the box instead of sticking with the same old same old.

Take Anime Goku Black, the writers thought outside the box and made him one hell of a entertaining antagonist(aside from his powerups), and his fighting style was refreshing compared to the old ki spam and punch kick punch kick.

Toyotaro as the one that comes up with ideas/outline, then gives it to Dragon Ball Room/Toei and you have a winning formula.

[Lord Beerus]

I'll just say this:

Freeza retuning was not a last minute decision. It was planned several months ago by Toriyama. And Toei spent several weeks to get the appropriate animators, script writers, voice actors and directors in place for the when the episode of Freeza's coming back was going to be air. The notion that Freeza retuning was a hastily made choice and that episode that will feature Freeza's return in Super was patched together in two to three weeks is ludicrous. Super's production is far from the greatest, but the staff behind the show has at the very least a decent perspective for how they want to produce episodes in juxtaposition to Toriyama's plot outline. Trust me, if Freeza returning was a last minute decision, then several episodes of Super would have to be re-animated, re-edited, re-scripted and re-dubbed. All in the span of four weeks. The show would potentially have to be taken off the air to give everybody time to get their shit ready for this as future episode wouldn't corroborate well with Freeza's return. No animated show, regardless of how good of a schedule they may have, would be able to handle that kind of task. The production behind the show would collapse because of this. Freeza returning was many months in the making, despite what kneejerk reactions may be on this.

In fact I assumed that it might have changed my mind a month ago, when the advertising campaign with the 10 participants, the intro, the posters, etc.. had already been published.
"Last Minute" is a hyperbolic way of saying.
And mentioning times not accurately estimate can not be considered a proof. My two-week estimate is based on the times that normally an 1 cour show anime requires: 30-35 week for 12-14 episodes, even is true that estimate is not apply to all studios or anime, and Toei is certainly one of the best. And incidentally, my judgment, totally negative, will certainly not change. Whether it was planned or not, for me, remains a tremendous scratch, at every point.

Dragon Ball Super constantly has misleading or vague advertising. Remember when Majin Boo was advertised to take part in the Champa arc in the end he did not?

Plus, that's not how production for episodes of cour-based anime work. Or anime in general. Every episode, from the first to the last, is planned several months in advance. They don't just start working on the episode right after the previous episode aired on TV. Long running shows like Dragon Ball, PreCure and One Piece work on a rotation of certain staff. But with proper pre-production and planning, should certain staff suddenly not become available, they will have planned in advance for somebody else to take their place(s) in the rotation of staff. Whether it be other in-house staff, external support studios or freelancers.

[sintzu]

Take Anime Goku Black, the writers thought outside the box and made him one hell of a entertaining antagonist(aside from his powerups), and his fighting style was refreshing compared to the old ki spam and punch kick punch kick.

Black is exactly what I mean by merchandise ideas done really well. I hope we get something like this with Freeza that'll make us forget it's the 10th time they brought him back.

[Neon Z]

In fact I assumed that it might have changed my mind a month ago, when the advertising campaign with the 10 participants, the intro, the posters, etc.. had already been published.
"Last Minute" is a hyperbolic way of saying.
And mentioning times not accurately estimate can not be considered a proof. My two-week estimate is based on the times that normally an 1 cour show anime requires: 30-35 week for 12-14 episodes, even is true that estimate is not apply to all studios or anime, and Toei is certainly one of the best. And incidentally, my judgment, totally negative, will certainly not change. Whether it was planned or not, for me, remains a tremendous scratch, at every point.

Dragonball Heroes already had shown gameplay screens of the "Universe Survival Recruitment arc", advertised as a tv tie-in, where the characters go to hell in order to recruit a new character for the tournament since last month. They had shown nothing about Freeza himself in order to avoid spoilers, but now it's obvious these things are related. They've taken months to add to Heroes elements that weren't in Toriyama's outline, like SSB Kaioken and SSJ Rage Trunks, so there's basically no chance this was a last minute change.

[Gorou]

Dragon Ball Super constantly has misleading or vague advertising. Remember when Majin Boo was advertised to take part in the Champa arc in the end he did not?

And why propose the same scam, with the same character?
I am not inclined to justify an error only because it has already been done in the past, indeed, I condemn doubly

Plus, that's not how production for episodes of cour-based anime work. Or anime in general. Every episode, from the first to the last, is planned several months in advance. They don't just start working on the episode right after the previous episode aired on TV. Long running shows like Dragon Ball, PreCure and One Piece work on a rotation of certain staff. But with proper pre-production and planning, should certain staff suddenly not become available, they will have planned in advance for somebody else to take their place(s) in the rotation of staff. Whether it be other in-house staff, external support studios or freelancers.

The one that pioneered the estimate needed for production, not the deficit with the firt release day. However, it is obvious that a cour-based anime series starts the official release after the completion of each scheduled episode. In fact, they are 35 weeks for the overall production plus the interval for the publication. But, you do not go out, those are the average production times.


@Neon Z


Heroes has published an infinity of forms, characters, situations that, of course, have never happened in the principal media.
If you really want to find an excuse at all costs to justify a priori another reproof of a character on which every francaising's media has abundantly used only to please fans, rely on Toyotaro's affirmation

[HeroR]

When Toriyama leaves, that would make Toyotaro the main script writer, which is the best for the franchise, the series needs someone that is in touch with whats going on in 2017, need ideas that are outside the box instead of sticking with the same old same old.

Take Anime Goku Black, the writers thought outside the box and made him one hell of a entertaining antagonist(aside from his powerups), and his fighting style was refreshing compared to the old ki spam and punch kick punch kick.

Toyotaro as the one that comes up with ideas/outline, then gives it to Dragon Ball Room/Toei and you have a winning formula.

Not sure where this narrative that Toyotaro has good ideas come from. All you need to do is read his AF manga and see what his good ideas look like. It's no different than many fanfics and it isn't even the best at it. Right, this tournament is so not outside the box because Freeza is coming back instead of Buu. What salt.

Not to mention, we had years without Toriyama at the helm and what new and original ideas were made in that time?

[Gorou]

Not sure where this narrative that Toyotaro has good ideas come from. All you need to do is read his AF manga and see what his good ideas look like. It's no different than many fanfics and it isn't even the best at it. Right, this tournament is so not outside the box because Freeza is coming back instead of Buu. What salt.

For the first time we are agree on something

[HeroR]

Not sure where this narrative that Toyotaro has good ideas come from. All you need to do is read his AF manga and see what his good ideas look like. It's no different than many fanfics and it isn't even the best at it. Right, this tournament is so not outside the box because Freeza is coming back instead of Buu. What salt.

For the first time we are agree on something

You still don't know about production. Go talk to Ajay.

[Neon Z]

Heroes has published an infinity of forms, characters, situations that, of course, have never happened in the principal media.
If you really want to find an excuse at all costs to justify a priori another reproof of a character on which every francaising's media has abundantly used only to please fans, rely on Toyotaro's affirmation

Heroes' "Universe Survival Recruitment arc" was specifically advertised as a tie in with the tv show, and we now have an episode summary confirming that it's happening. I don't see how Heroes having what ifs is related to that at all. It's not just a coincidence.

[Grimlock]

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[perucho1990]

Not sure where this narrative that Toyotaro has good ideas come from. All you need to do is read his AF manga and see what his good ideas look like. It's no different than many fanfics and it isn't even the best at it. Right, this tournament is so not outside the box because Freeza is coming back instead of Buu. What salt.

Not to mention, we had years without Toriyama at the helm and what new and original ideas were made in that time?

Again lets look at Goku Black, which is probably inspired by DBAF Xicor but they did tweaks like Black being Zamasu inside Gokus body but he slowly turned into a battle freak because of the saiyan blood inside Gokus body, and his flamboyant personality and his fighting abilities which were different from what we have seen from previous antagonists.

Toyotaro has good ideas but need tweaks in order to work.

And now we have Kale and Frieza.

Kale would be easy to write, just write her like Bruce Banner.

Now Frieza is a different thing, I know Freeza returning for the 39034129321051th time is already boring but this could work, Toei/Toyble/Tori must expand his character, like how did he become the Emperor of the Universe, his relationship with Beerus, his race and why he had big potential in matching Blue.

Now the interactions though, that part is intringuing, how will Goku friends react? And how would U6 react too, specially Frost?

[Kishido]

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I would love it... Do not care for PL after all same as TOEI and Toriyama don't care. Simply enjoy da show <3

[kinisking]

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

You don't need to be a power level analyzer to know Gohan shouldn't be on Gokus level when it comes to strength right now. You just need to be able to do some basic thinking. It's ridiculous if Gohans SSB level unless ultimate allows him to make gains faster or it was some special training we don't know about yet.