"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[SansrivaaL]

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It was kinda obvious that Goku will need SSJB against Ultimate Gohan tho... Ultimate>SSJ3, Goku needs SSJB to face Gohan, more so now that he got stronger for training a lil bit for some reason haha.

[perucho1990]

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

The big question is, Will Gohan force Goku use Kaioken?

After what we saw how Trunks reached Blue level in hours, it shouldnt be surprising that Gohan did it too.

[Gorou]

Heroes' "Universe Survival Recruitment arc" was specifically advertised as a tie in with the tv show, and we now have an episode summary confirming that it's happening. I don't see how Heroes having what ifs is related to that at all.

Connection with the show that could be relegated to the simple connection with the same tournament.

But as always, the pleasure of fandom comes before consistency and good writing. The excuse they used to introduce Frieza again is as damning as illogical. Do you really think it was thought and constructed on a specific intent?

[HeroR]

Again lets look at Goku Black, which is probably inspired by DBAF Xicor but they did tweaks like Black being Zamasu inside Gokus body but he slowly turned into a battle freak because of the saiyan blood inside Gokus body, and his flamboyant personality and his fighting abilities which were different from what we have seen from previous antagonists.

Toyotaro has good ideas but need tweaks in order to work.

And now we have Kale and Frieza.

Kale would be easy to write, just write her like Bruce Banner.

Now Frieza is a different thing, I know Freeza returning for the 39034129321051th time is already boring but this could work, Toei/Toyble/Tori must expand his character, like how did he become the Emperor of the Universe, his relationship with Beerus, his race and why he had big potential in matching Blue.

Now the interactions though, that part is intringuing, how will Goku friends react? And how would U6 react too, specially Frost?

An evil version of a character is as old as crap. Toriyama hardly have to look at a fan manga to get the idea. And Xicor and Black are completely different since one is Goku's son, not Goku who has his body stolen. That idea came from Toriyama himself with Ginyu, so if anything he recycled himself.

Toyotaro's ideas are taking fanfic ideas and stuffing it into his own story like Super Saiyan 5, Xicor which wasn't even his idea, and freaking Broly. And turning a Broly figure into the freak Hulk isn't original, so I am not sure why you mention it.

Kale is her own character who has a transformation like Broly. As of now, it isn't like they took Broly, gave her boobs, and stuck her into Super. And Freeza coming back for a tournament is different since you have one of the most evil characters in fiction teaming up against the person he hates the most.

We know why he has potential. He's a mutant who is a freak of nature even by his race's standards. The same with his father. And idea is only 'boring' if the execution isn't there.

So again, we had over twenty years with no Toriyama in Dragon Ball. In that time, what did anyone do to 'stay in touch' with the franchise? To say that Toriyama leaving with open up this well of new ideas when there was nothing when he wasn't around is revising history.

[HeroR]

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It was kinda obvious that Goku will need SSJB against Ultimate Gohan tho... Ultimate>SSJ3, Goku needs SSJB to face Gohan, more so now that he got stronger for training a lil bit for some reason haha.

That is only true if Goku and Gohan have equal base forms, which is how Copy-Vegeta stomped Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks without transforming.

[Grimlock]

You don't need to be a power level analyzer to know Gohan shouldn't be on Gokus level when it comes to strength right now. You just need to be able to do some basic thinking. It's ridiculous if Gohans SSB level unless ultimate allows him to make gains faster or it was some special training we don't know about yet.

I'm aware of that. But as "power level" subject became fucked up since Movie 15, I avoid it since then. But seeing people ranting about power level all the time makes me sick.

It was kinda obvious that Goku will need SSJB against Ultimate Gohan tho... Ultimate>SSJ3, Goku needs SSJB to face Gohan, more so now that he got stronger for training a lil bit for some reason haha.

"Ultimate >> Super Saiyan 3" was a thing just in Majin Buu saga. Power levels aren't fixed. We did know that Goku would turn Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because Gohan asked him to go full power in the preview, but the question is: will Goku turn Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because Gohan indeed asks or because Goku needs it?

[SansrivaaL]

That is only true if Goku and Gohan have equal base forms, which is how Copy-Vegeta stomped Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks without transforming.

From the looks of it back in an episode where Goku and Gohan had a spar SSJ v SSJ then yeah they are equal.

"Ultimate >> Super Saiyan 3" was a thing just in Majin Buu saga. Power levels aren't fixed. We did know that Goku would turn Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because Gohan asked him to go full power in the preview, but the question is: will Goku turn Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because Gohan indeed asks or because Goku needs it?

"UItimate" is a form for unleashing all of Gohan's potential, even if he has a lack of training all his potential would pop out, his only problem is his heart isnt in the battles, yes he may be stronger than them currently but he lacks the will that warriors have, basically what Piccolo said. Leaning towards Goku needing it.

[HeroR]

That is only true if Goku and Gohan have equal base forms, which is how Copy-Vegeta stomped Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks without transforming.

From the looks of it back in an episode where Goku and Gohan had a spar SSJ v SSJ then yeah they are equal.

"Ultimate >> Super Saiyan 3" was a thing just in Majin Buu saga. Power levels aren't fixed. We did know that Goku would turn Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because Gohan asked him to go full power in the preview, but the question is: will Goku turn Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because Gohan indeed asks or because Goku needs it?

"UItimate" is a form for unleashing all of Gohan's potential, even if he has a lack of training all his potential would pop out, his only problem is his heart isnt in the battles, yes he may be stronger than them currently but he lacks the will that warriors have, basically what Piccolo said. Leaning towards Goku needing it.

That is questionable given how high Goku's Super Saiyan is and Goku called Gohan out of practice.

[SansrivaaL]

That is questionable given how high Goku's Super Saiyan is and Goku called Gohan out of practice.

From this point on the questionable one was the Gotenks bit, unless Krillin got a massive boost for pushing Goku to go SSJ just to stop a ki wave from him.

[HeroR]

That is questionable given how high Goku's Super Saiyan is and Goku called Gohan out of practice.

From this point on the questionable one was the Gotenks bit, unless Krillin got a massive boost for pushing Goku to go SSJ just to stop a ki wave from him.

It isn't since we saw Goku fight Beerus in his base in both Battle of Gods and against Monaka. And you're still salty about Goku using Super Saiyan against Krillin? By that logic, Goku is weaker than base form Gohan since Gohan beat up Krillin before the Solar Flare.

[SansrivaaL]

That is questionable given how high Goku's Super Saiyan is and Goku called Gohan out of practice.

From this point on the questionable one was the Gotenks bit, unless Krillin got a massive boost for pushing Goku to go SSJ just to stop a ki wave from him.

It isn't since we saw Goku fight Beerus in his base in both Battle of Gods and against Monaka. And you're still salty about Goku using Super Saiyan against Krillin? By that logic, Goku is weaker than base form Gohan since Gohan beat up Krillin before the Solar Flare.

Yeah Beerus, the guy that likes holding back so much of his power for some reason, especially since they're all buddy buddies now ofc he would play around with Goku, why does me saying what happened in the show being salty? different scenario's, that was a close combat battle, what Krillin pulled against Goku was your everyday normal ki wave which Goku's base kiai would have been sufficient to stop unless his base wasnt enough.

[Legion]

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Goku used SSJB even against 17, so....

[TheMikado]

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

You don't need to be a power level analyzer to know Gohan shouldn't be on Gokus level when it comes to strength right now. You just need to be able to do some basic thinking. It's ridiculous if Gohans SSB level unless ultimate allows him to make gains faster or it was some special training we don't know about yet.

So Gohan has gotten hundreds of times stronger than SSG and has surpass it by that magnitude in a few hours? Good to know! Probably should have done that the first time Beerus showed up.
Maybe at least one push up or take 10 secs to meditate to get the power boost.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Was it though? Because there was nothing interesting story-wise about Goten and Trunks getting SS... I think it was like how it is now back then but on a bit smaller scale.

I agree with your second statement though, they even have reverted the RF costumes!

I feel like Toriyama is the only one who is stopping Shueisha/Bandai going full nuts. If people think it is bad now it is only gonna get worse, if or when he leaves.

Toriyama said in an interview that due to it being the last arc he wanted to go all crazy with things so I think that's why they got Ssj at that age. He also said he didn't take into account the anime continuing when he came up with the ending so if he didn't take that into account I doubt he thought about the merchandise.

I really liked those. I thought they'd be modern DB's main image of those 2 but I guess I was wrong.

This is very much true. Although it's merchandise focused, he's still managed to make a good story out of it but when he leaves I think we'll get something like heroes where time and space are a mess and everyone from every era meet and get every known (and new) form.

That is quite a scary thought but one that sadly isn't far fetched. The biggest concerning thing is that now Super has established it's brand name the big wigs might feel like they can do whatever they want once Toriyama leaves. I think Toriyama will leave the project once Super ties into EoZ.

It seems Gohan will face Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, after all. Brace yourselves for incoming lots of hate from those power level "analyzers"!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Yes, yess yesss! The news I was hoping for! More SSGSS by Shimanuki!

You don't need to be a power level analyzer to know Gohan shouldn't be on Gokus level when it comes to strength right now. You just need to be able to do some basic thinking. It's ridiculous if Gohans SSB level unless ultimate allows him to make gains faster or it was some special training we don't know about yet.

Who is to say he will be? The NEP shows most of the fight in SS2 so Goku could be having trouble there goes SSGSS and then mopes the floor with Gohan.

[HeroR]

Yeah Beerus, the guy that likes holding back so much of his power for some reason, especially since they're all buddy buddies now ofc he would play around with Goku, why does me saying what happened in the show being salty? different scenario's, that was a close combat battle, what Krillin pulled against Goku was your everyday normal ki wave which Goku's base kiai would have been sufficient to stop unless his base wasnt enough.

Beerus while bored and not even trying knocked Super Saiyan 3 Goku out in two hits. Beersu having fun since he couldn't fight in the tournament and was getting carry away, according to Whis who had to stop the fight before the planet exploded, couldn't put Goku down in a few attacks. You honestly don't see the problem with your line of thinking?

Close combat nothing, Gohan had no problem with Krillin until he got blinded, while Goku had problems from the jump. And by this logic, Krillin is now stronger than Buu since Goku didn't bother to transformed for him.

Seriously, the context Krillin fight is utterly lost here.

[Sodhi]

So Goku will be going blue against Gohan? Good, because it would have been weird if he didn't. Especially, when Kuririn and #17 received the same honor. I really like that they are being nice to Gohan fans now

[SansrivaaL]

Beerus while bored and not even trying knocked Super Saiyan 3 Goku out in two hits. Beersu having fun since he couldn't fight in the tournament and was getting carry away, according to Whis who had to stop the fight before the planet exploded, couldn't put Goku down in a few attacks. You honestly don't see the problem with your line of thinking?

Close combat nothing, Gohan had no problem with Krillin until he got blinded, while Goku had problems from the jump. And by this logic, Krillin is now stronger than Buu since Goku didn't bother to transformed for him.

Seriously, the context Krillin fight is utterly lost here.

That was before they were chums, and he was desperately looking for the SSG he had a goal, unlike their fight after the U6, situations were different, he wasnt looking for anyone in particular and just wants to break loose, he was playing around.
Yes I absolutely do not have a problem with it because they were from my views playing around, Beerus wasnt serious at all and base Goku obviously has enough striking power to cause the earth go boom, its not like Whis said "The universe will get destroyed if you continue this"

Gohan had no problem? it looked like he was having quite a hard time and was even sweating, sweat in anime usually means it isnt an easy time for him, Goku had trouble from the get go because Krillin released kienzan's it wasnt a cqc unlike Gohan's and Krillin's it was plain melee combat until Krillin pulled out the solar flare.
The part with Boo could be Goku wanting to test out how his base form holds out against Boo, or he was putting him in a good mood by not beating him so he lost on purpose not transforming.

[Lapislettuce]

Watch the people who complained about 17 fighting SSB say nothing about Gohan getting ssb tier in a couple of hours because of "potential" (not talking about those who didn't complain so don't get triggered)

[sintzu]

The biggest concerning thing is that now Super has established it's brand name the big wigs might feel like they can do whatever they want once Toriyama leaves.

I think Toriyama will leave the project once Super ties into EoZ.

Once he's done I think they'll just end Super and start a new show like they did with GT once Z ended. Super started as a Toriyama product so it makes sense to end it with him and promote the new one as a Toei/Toyotaro one cause that's who'll be working on it.

I didn't think this would happen but now that they brought up it connecting to EOZ I think it might now.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So #91 looks like it's gonna be a recap-ish epsidoe then. I think we will start the ToP on #95.