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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:23 pm

How does it drag, its the shortest saga of Dragon Ball?

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by precita » Tue May 09, 2017 5:34 pm

If he's referring to the filler, I think many of the Saiyan saga fillers were quite good and makes the pacing of the arc better than the manga. I even like the eps most people tend not to like, such as the Princess Snake episode, or the one Vegeta/Nappa blow up planet Arlia.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Raizenx28 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:36 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Raizenx28 wrote:I don't like the Saiyan saga I think its boring and drags out
Which part do you think drags on?
When Nappa is destroying Tien and Chiaotzu and then its slows to a halt after those two die
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by precita » Tue May 09, 2017 5:41 pm

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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Raizenx28 wrote:I don't like the Saiyan saga I think its boring and drags out
Which part do you think drags on?
When Nappa is destroying Tien and Chiaotzu and then its slows to a halt after those two die
Nappa is defeated by Goku literally only two eps later.

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Post by Raizenx28 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:45 pm

precita wrote:
Raizenx28 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Which part do you think drags on?
When Nappa is destroying Tien and Chiaotzu and then its slows to a halt after those two die
Nappa is defeated by Goku literally only two eps later.
Hmm maybe I should rewatch dbz its been awhile
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Post by Nejishiki » Tue May 09, 2017 5:49 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:How does it drag, its the shortest saga of Dragon Ball?
Excluding the Four Star Dragon Ball arc (58 chapters to 50 episodes), every arc preceding the Saiyan arc (47:35) is shorter thus it's unable to claim the title. While it's guilty of meandering somewhat, it's never to the extent of other prominent arcs (22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai's adaption, for one). However, there aren't many examples that stick out.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by jeffbr92 » Tue May 09, 2017 7:35 pm

Was the Boo Arc the longest arc in the series?
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Post by ABED » Tue May 09, 2017 8:26 pm

It's possible for arcs or seasons of fewer episodes to drag more than longer arcs. It all depends. I don't think the Saiyan arc drags at all. It's very fast paced, but clearly mileage varies.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Tue May 09, 2017 8:51 pm

Kid Goku's food gag was never funny. And I'm annoyed that it kept on being a thing in Early Dragon Ball.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by precita » Tue May 09, 2017 9:05 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:Was the Boo Arc the longest arc in the series?
Even if it was, the Boo arc was comprised of so many mini-arcs that it never felt like it was one long stretched out thing.

It starts off with the Otherworld tournament with Pikkon, then the Great Saiyaman episodes, then the World tournament, then Babidi's Ship and Majin Vegeta...and then the second part goes full on into stopping Buu but he has so many different forms it was kept interesting.

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Post by xm0c » Tue May 09, 2017 10:05 pm

I actually found GT to be enjoyable, and does not shit on the Dragon Ball legacy as much as people think.

Not all filler is bad. The fandom has a huge problem with covering their ears and screaming "Nope! Nope!" at anything that was not in the manga, even if it isn't bad or was included in Kai.

The movies are better if you just view them as non-canon side stories.

EDIT: The Garlic Jr. saga doesn't suck. People are always complaining about how Goku and Vegeta steal the spotlight, and yet we have an arc not focused on either of them, and that gives adequate focus not only to Gohan, Piccolo, and Krillin, but also the side characters.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue May 09, 2017 10:07 pm

xm0c wrote:I actually found GT to be enjoyable, and does not shit on the Dragon Ball legacy as much as people think.

Not all filler is bad. The fandom has a huge problem with covering their ears and screaming "Nope! Nope!" at anything that was not in the manga, even if it isn't bad or was included in Kai.

The movies are better if you just view them as non-canon side stories.
Agreed on all counts, though I think you pretty much have to view the movies in that context either way.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by precita » Tue May 09, 2017 11:48 pm

A lot of people who hate filler without reason seem to have this view that the franchise is only about characters fighting or screaming at each other every episode. Any episode that shows characters in their downtime, peaceful lives, training, or doing anything other than actually fighting is deemed, "not worth their time."

It's the same reason you saw so much complaining about the Great Saiyaman episodes in the west when the Buu saga first started airing here. Some people just have no clue what the Dragonball franchise is even about.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Wed May 10, 2017 2:19 am

I don't consider the Yamcha Reborn Manga to be good.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed May 10, 2017 2:44 am

Gog wrote:I don't consider the Yamcha Reborn Manga to be good.
It's not a masterpiece or anything, but it's a fun side-product. I definitely wouldn't call it bad.
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Post by Gog » Wed May 10, 2017 3:30 am

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Gog wrote:I don't consider the Yamcha Reborn Manga to be good.
It's not a masterpiece or anything, but it's a fun side-product. I definitely wouldn't call it bad.
The case of being reincarnated as Yamcha hasn't done anything to make me it hate besides it wasting my time. It's just a painfully mediocre story, I'm trying to find something that's good about it besides the great art of DragongarrowLEE, and one gag. There really isn't anything going on in it that I would call good.

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Post by ABED » Wed May 10, 2017 8:10 am

precita wrote:A lot of people who hate filler without reason seem to have this view that the franchise is only about characters fighting or screaming at each other every episode. Any episode that shows characters in their downtime, peaceful lives, training, or doing anything other than actually fighting is deemed, "not worth their time."

It's the same reason you saw so much complaining about the Great Saiyaman episodes in the west when the Buu saga first started airing here. Some people just have no clue what the Dragonball franchise is even about.
Many have that same feeling about "filler" or stand alone episodes in US TV shows which I find ridiculous as many of the best episodes of a number of TV shows are stand alones. In DB, the filler isn't relegated to downtime, but I don't mind it. I do think it should be limited. I don't care for the Great Saiyaman episodes because they aren't interesting to me. Nothing interesting happens.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Puaru » Thu May 11, 2017 5:36 am

While none of GT is good, the early part of the series that tries to be like DB is much more tolerable than the later parts that tries to be DBZ. The early part feels like a moderately competent lighthearted saturday morning cartoon and is watchable in the same way that something like Thundercats is, while the later parts TRIES to do the kind of big long drawn-out story-arcs that DBZ did but since the stories are so uninteresting it instead becomes extremely boring.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu May 11, 2017 4:42 pm

Puaru wrote:While none of GT is good, the early part of the series that tries to be like DB is much more tolerable than the later parts that tries to be DBZ. The early part feels like a moderately competent lighthearted saturday morning cartoon and is watchable in the same way that something like Thundercats is, while the later parts TRIES to do the kind of big long drawn-out story-arcs that DBZ did but since the stories are so uninteresting it instead becomes extremely boring.
GT is a good series, heretic. It does steadily get worse as time goes on, though, Super #17 being the most boring, barely consequential sham of an arc the series has ever had the shame of abiding.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ThatFanaticJackatoo » Thu May 11, 2017 4:53 pm

I don't mind Garlic Jr

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