"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Grimlock]

Well, Broly in the anime is a thing and everyone's getting Super Saiyan for free, even with Toriyama around. So I don't see how Bardock would make things worse.

[Beyond]

I don't know. When Tori goes it could go in many different directions. The feel will most certainly change, but it might not be trash. If it goes back to saiyan wank overdrive, I'm out. I'm hoping eventually a non saiyan gets to main character status. Let it be Goku, Vegeta, Gohan + Ubb/Krillin. I'm assuming they could do a bunch of short side stories with this franchise. Every z fighter should be able to star in their own one shot manga(you should throw in characters like Bulma as well). A good writer can expand on any character if they're inclined to do so. A character arc isn't completely over until their died, and in this universe even that's not enough. They could do so much, but they aren't.

[precita]

The thing I notice about Toei writers is while they're able to come up with decent filler episodes, their ideas for "plots" almost always sucks. Look at the stupid purple Vegeta superhuman water arc. It was only 3 episodes yet it was the worst thing to come out of Super and felt like a GT storyline.

I just don't trust them with the series without some Toriyama guidelines for the story. Granted they do make improvements, some aspects of the old DBZ anime were better than the manga, and I think they're the ones who convinced Toriyama to bring Gohan back to relevance...but beyond that they're just not too good.

[Draconic]

The thing I notice about Toei writers is while they're able to come up with decent filler episodes, their ideas for "plots" almost always sucks. Look at the stupid purple Vegeta superhuman water arc. It was only 3 episodes yet it was the worst thing to come out of Super and felt like a GT storyline.

I just don't trust them with the series without some Toriyama guidelines for the story. Granted they do make improvements, some aspects of the old DBZ anime were better than the manga, and I think they're the ones who convinced Toriyama to bring Gohan back to relevance...but beyond that they're just not too good.

While I don't disagree, it is very constraining to have to write an entertaining story, while also having to keep the same status quo the series left at the beginning of the "filler", all the way to the end, and that also has little chance to be mentioned again.
Freedom to do your own thing is important for every writer and there's not much to be had in something like the Copy-Vegeta arc, or many of the DB/Z filler arcs (Garlic Jr, Wedding Dress, Ano-yo'ichi Budokai) for that matter.

[emperior]

The thing I notice about Toei writers is while they're able to come up with decent filler episodes, their ideas for "plots" almost always sucks. Look at the stupid purple Vegeta superhuman water arc. It was only 3 episodes yet it was the worst thing to come out of Super and felt like a GT storyline.

I just don't trust them with the series without some Toriyama guidelines for the story. Granted they do make improvements, some aspects of the old DBZ anime were better than the manga, and I think they're the ones who convinced Toriyama to bring Gohan back to relevance...but beyond that they're just not too good.

Though Toei writers also wrote the amazing TV Specials. Especially the Bardock's one which was entirely their thing apart from characters design. They should just bring back whoever wrote those.

[ArchedThunder]

Wow, Dragon Ball is really close to One Piece in Japan now as far as Toei's cash flow is concerned.
The growth of Dragon Ball over the past few years is crazy.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The only thing that might make Super end pre-maturely even if sales are through the roof is if sadly Nozawa gets too sick to act or passes away in the next few years. If Goku's VA goes than Dragonball should end.

I know Japan/Toei loves and respects their voice actors but Super is printing money they won't stop I am sure Bandai etc aren't gonna be quite as sentimental, I am sure Toei have a fail safe for such a scenario, they replaced the narrator when he got ill which was the second most important after Nozawa. At most I can see a break or they might write Goku out the show for a bit.

Though I do hope Super ends on it's own without such a scenario occurring, it would truly be the definition of heartbreaking.

[perucho1990]

I can see Dragon Ball going well without Toriyama, he is not flawless as many pretend him to be. Just remember that Battle Of Gods was a great movie which script was not full Toriyama while Ressurection Of F was and it was pretty bad. Toriyama nowadays is not a good storyteller he need people to put his work in check to produce good stuff even by the time he was working in the manga.

My biggest gripe is with Toyotaro, I don't think he alone can handle Dragon Ball serialization by himself, he's not a good storyteller either, but a good artist, he also would need people to help him with the work, people that understand what DB is.

WSJ would have to give him the Oda schedule, 4-5 of weekly release then break.

Dragon Ball Room would make Toyotaros ideas work.

We already know Toyotaro is creative when it comes to designs(See his Hakaishins designs).

[ArchedThunder]

The only thing that might make Super end pre-maturely even if sales are through the roof is if sadly Nozawa gets too sick to act or passes away in the next few years. If Goku's VA goes than Dragonball should end.

I know Japan/Toei loves and respects their voice actors but Super is printing money they won't stop I am sure Bandai etc aren't gonna be quite as sentimental, I am sure Toei have a fail safe for such a scenario, they replaced the narrator when he got ill which was the second most important after Nozawa. At most I can see a break or they might write Goku out the show for a bit.

Though I do hope Super ends on it's own without such a scenario occurring, it would truly be the definition of heartbreaking.

They'd probably take Super off of the air for a single week to do a half hour memorial for Nozawa and then continue airing the next week.

[SansrivaaL]

I imagine them showing Nozawa in the anime going to heaven having Goku Gohan and Goten looking up at her with an end of "till we meet again" or Goku himself taking her there. I love the fact that Dragon Ball has been doing great financially, I hope this is a sign that the show will go on even after this arc, surely they left the powerful universes out for a reason.

[Lord Beerus]

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Wow, Dragon Ball is really close to One Piece in Japan now as far as Toei's cash flow is concerned.
The growth of Dragon Ball over the past few years is crazy.

The huge jump in overseas licensing revenues is no doubt thanks to Super being on TV stations all over the world.

[perucho1990]

Man V Jump were a bunch of liars

Witness the father-son showdown! In “Dragon Ball Super”, after finishing his training, Gohan challenges Gokuu!
Title: Facing the Wall that Must be Overcome! Gokuu VS Gohan
Gohan & Piccolo VS Gokuu and Tenshinhan?!
Through his training with Piccolo, Gohan came to realize that the one he must surpass is his father Gokuu. So he teams up with Piccolo and they take on the duo of Gokuu and Tenshinhan! Facing Gohan, who having finished his training has now obtained unprecedented power, Gokuu will…?!
Gohan, surpass your father!!
The method Piccolo pointed out is?!
Through Piccolo’s training, both Gohan’s power and will were strengthened!
Watch out for Tenshinhan, who fights using peculiar attacks!
His allies are shocked at the change in Gohan!
Gokuu this week: Seeing his son’s growth?!
Gokuu is surprised at how Gohan has changed, and cannot hide how elated he is that another powerful ally has appeared. After the team battle, he challenges Gohan to a one on one fight?!

At this point idk if they will keep doing bait and switches.

First Buu being replaced, then Tenshinhan getting humilliated 2 episodes in a row.

What will be next, Goku not facing Jiren and Gohan will be facing him instead?

[precita]

Don't believe anything you see in promos or openings, oddly enough. I'm still half expecting something to happen to Roshi preventing him from fighting.

[Big Black Sayian]

Don't believe anything you see in promos or openings, oddly enough. I'm still half expecting something to happen to Roshi preventing him from fighting.

Funny enough I thought Gohan in his Green tracksuit would be an opening only thing. Cue last week

[kinisking]

Don't believe anything you see in promos or openings, oddly enough. I'm still half expecting something to happen to Roshi preventing him from fighting.

Funny enough I thought Gohan in his Green tracksuit would be an opening only thing. Cue last week

I wonder why he wore the track suit at all . What benefit was there ? And did he fly home to get it ? I'm probably over thinking it but still.

[DHM211]

Don't believe anything you see in promos or openings, oddly enough. I'm still half expecting something to happen to Roshi preventing him from fighting.

Funny enough I thought Gohan in his Green tracksuit would be an opening only thing. Cue last week

I wonder why he wore the track suit at all . What benefit was there ? And did he fly home to get it ? I'm probably over thinking it but still.

Piccolo is able to magically make clothes.

[JoeCapricorn]

I have a thought that probably doesn't merit its own thread, but with the latest episode with Gohan talking about building on his Ultimate form, what if he achieves a unique form that only he can master? Something gentle, majestic and powerful. Another thread posited a "Super Saiyan White" form.

Then I thought what if Vegeta finds his own ultimate form while training in RoSaT? I can imagine him having a fusion of Super Saiyan Blue with Super Saiyan 3, matching his aggressive and merciless fighting style.

Goku's ultimate form could just be Kaioken + Super Saiyan Blue, it seems he doesn't have time to train. Then again, he was training with Whis before this all started, it is possible that he already achieved a new form but wasn't ready to show it off at the exhibition match. Goku's new form could be something that makes Vegeta feel bad, so it's gotta be powerful and stuff.

[Totamo]

I have a thought that probably doesn't merit its own thread, but with the latest episode with Gohan talking about building on his Ultimate form, what if he achieves a unique form that only he can master? Something gentle, majestic and powerful. Another thread posited a "Super Saiyan White" form.

Then I thought what if Vegeta finds his own ultimate form while training in RoSaT? I can imagine him having a fusion of Super Saiyan Blue with Super Saiyan 3, matching his aggressive and merciless fighting style.

Goku's ultimate form could just be Kaioken + Super Saiyan Blue, it seems he doesn't have time to train. Then again, he was training with Whis before this all started, it is possible that he already achieved a new form but wasn't ready to show it off at the exhibition match. Goku's new form could be something that makes Vegeta feel bad, so it's gotta be powerful and stuff.

I see it happening

[perucho1990]

I wonder why he wore the track suit at all . What benefit was there ? And did he fly home to get it ? I'm probably over thinking it but still.

Clothes beam, wish we couldve seen Piccolo use it instead of being offscreen.

About Gohan transformation, i think he will gain an aura similar to SSJ Ikari.

[kizuki]

I have a thought that probably doesn't merit its own thread, but with the latest episode with Gohan talking about building on his Ultimate form, what if he achieves a unique form that only he can master? Something gentle, majestic and powerful. Another thread posited a "Super Saiyan White" form.

Then I thought what if Vegeta finds his own ultimate form while training in RoSaT? I can imagine him having a fusion of Super Saiyan Blue with Super Saiyan 3, matching his aggressive and merciless fighting style.

Goku's ultimate form could just be Kaioken + Super Saiyan Blue, it seems he doesn't have time to train. Then again, he was training with Whis before this all started, it is possible that he already achieved a new form but wasn't ready to show it off at the exhibition match. Goku's new form could be something that makes Vegeta feel bad, so it's gotta be powerful and stuff.

Personally I think Gohan mentioning creating this "ultimate" non SSJ form is a foreshadowing to what we see Goku doing in the intro. Goku going from normal, to SSJ, to Blue, then Blue Kaioken only to end up "normal" again. Perhaps he figures it out in such a short amount of time for himself? Would be interesting to see.

Goku's ultimate power in just his complete base form.