"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[MisteryOne]

That's what the community wants you to think. I think Toriyamas involvement is much more than people try to say it is.

That is an interesting point you brought up MisteryOne, it can be explained by toriyama having to plan the story slowly and steadily but even that won't take 1/2 a year, the obvious conclusion is his outlines are far more detailed than the widely accepted bare bones

I dont understand why this is still a discussion topic the Producer of Super literally said his outline is barebones to the point where they have to flesh it out.

"Regarding the new grand developments of this upcoming arc, when I asked Mr Toriyama how the series will progress, Toriyama himself proposed this new story. Receiving the bare bones of the story from Toriyama, I fleshed out the story and created what you will be seeing on your screens soon.”

Yeah that was why I was confused, I trough it was confirmed. I can understand anyway that Toriyama did write certain scenes by himself (the whole Saiyan cells thing from Vegeta's speech is almost identical in both mediums, the Barbari scene is also the same, Black trie d to kill Gowasu a third time,etc.) and that the designs may take time, but I dunno, six months maybe its too much, specially if you consider he got the time travel thing bad so it doesn't seem like he checked that

Anyway with Vegetto not having a new design, the amount of new characters introduced not being a big number and so on...Maybe he spent time thinking about the lore things like the Time Rings. I mean, while we don't know what was the initial premise that was given to him, imagine it was something like «an evil Kaioshin steals Goku's body and causes problems in Trunks' future». I would need some thing to realize how to make that work. But still, it seems a little too much IMHO

BTW sorry for the multiple posts. Its impossible to include more than one quote when I'm using my phone. I will try to post on the computer next time

[perucho1990]

So he forced them to retire yet he had to be SAVED by Yajirobe? Don't you see that's a total contradiction?

Read my comment carefuly please. I'm complaining about Black getting a nonsensical scythe as a rage boost when he could just had gotten stronger.

Which was pointless since Zemo could have destroyed it too. Why was it necesary?

What...How on hell does that comparision make sense? Its not that he got ugly, is that he was melting and deforming despite that not being a quality of any of his fused parts. And he stopped being physically inmortal, that's the bullshit thing. Black not being inmortal can't affect Merged's inmortality. Pothala doesn't work like that. Anyway, you seem to fail to see the point. Why was it necesary to make Merged deform?

You're only proving my point...What was the reason to buff Hit? Why Goku could not just be x10 times stronger because Vegeta wasted 90% of his power fighting Hit and not being able to hit him because of the Timeskip that Goku can counter? And Hit's improvements could keep up with Kaioken. Rewatch the scene. That's in fact the most unnecesary thing, Hit's improvements.

Forces them to retire, but needed to be saved by Yajirobe because the Ikari transformation forced him to use a lot of stamina?

Everytime Black was getting stronger, this Ki sword was getting bigger, first, it was a regular Ki sword, then it was turning bigger, when he rekt Raged SSJB Goku his Ki sword was a Machete that could also serve as the needler weapon from Halo.

Goku forgot about the button?

The deforming part was supposed to represent his Black part, Merged Zamasu was always immortal, what he lost was his ability to gain zenkais. I guess thats what happens when a God and an evil ningen fuses.

Because you will be making Hit, the U6 Arc antagonist, look like shit, Hit defeating Vegeta because Vegeta didnt know about tokitobashi was simple and logical, there was no need in nerfing Vegeta. The main reason Goku went for KKX10 was because he thought he could end Hit quickly and didnt expect his improvement ability to be that hax. But now it looks like Hits improvement ability might be forgotten for the ToP because it made him look OP besides having killing punches that could KO a SSJB.

[kinisking]

That's what the community wants you to think. I think Toriyamas involvement is much more than people try to say it is.

That is an interesting point you brought up MisteryOne, it can be explained by toriyama having to plan the story slowly and steadily but even that won't take 1/2 a year, the obvious conclusion is his outlines are far more detailed than the widely accepted bare bones

I dont understand why this is still a discussion topic the Producer of Super literally said his outline is barebones to the point where they have to flesh it out.

"Regarding the new grand developments of this upcoming arc, when I asked Mr Toriyama how the series will progress, Toriyama himself proposed this new story. Receiving the bare bones of the story from Toriyama, I fleshed out the story and created what you will be seeing on your screens soon.”

That just means Toriyama doesn't write every single thing. But, people try to act like he just writes bullet points. I think his outlines are a lot more detailed than that and I also believe he writes some of the dialogue.

[TheMikado]

That is an interesting point you brought up MisteryOne, it can be explained by toriyama having to plan the story slowly and steadily but even that won't take 1/2 a year, the obvious conclusion is his outlines are far more detailed than the widely accepted bare bones

I dont understand why this is still a discussion topic the Producer of Super literally said his outline is barebones to the point where they have to flesh it out.

"Regarding the new grand developments of this upcoming arc, when I asked Mr Toriyama how the series will progress, Toriyama himself proposed this new story. Receiving the bare bones of the story from Toriyama, I fleshed out the story and created what you will be seeing on your screens soon.”

That just means Toriyama doesn't write every single thing. But, people try to act like he just writes bullet points. I think his outlines are a lot more detailed than that and I also believe he writes some of the dialogue.

The producer of the show literally uses the term "barebones", I don't know what other possible statement he could have made to state that the outline is barebones and the community take him at his word and believe him.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I dont understand why this is still a discussion topic the Producer of Super literally said his outline is barebones to the point where they have to flesh it out.

That just means Toriyama doesn't write every single thing. But, people try to act like he just writes bullet points. I think his outlines are a lot more detailed than that and I also believe he writes some of the dialogue.

The producer of the show literally uses the term "barebones", I don't know what other possible statement he could have made to state that the outline is barebones and the community take him at his word and believe him.

Barebones just means underlying basic structure. For a show that can mean a lot or not much.

[Araki]

It's worth mentioning that no, no one "literally" said barebones. That's on whoever translated that interview. Basing a point on that is..dangerous, to say the least.

[TheMikado]

It's worth mentioning that no, no one "literally" said barebones. That's on whoever translated that interview. Basing a point on that is..dangerous, to say the least.

Fine I'll wait for your translation then.

Barebones just means underlying basic structure. For a show that can mean a lot or not much.

ok now come on guys. The context of the text clearly indicates there wasn't much detail and they had to add to it to fully form it. Why the mental gymnastics when the producer said it very plainly?

[alakazam^]

Could it be that Toriyama drafts the outline and than toei or toyotaro get some input of if some character has a bigger role or if toriyama could add them or something and so he adapts the draft for each medium? That would explain why Trunks seems to have a much bigger role in one version and Vegeta in the other and would also be a justification to why he needed so much time to draft the arc since he would have to accomodate for the diferences.

I think Toriyama isn't that detailed on purpose so that Toei/Toyotarou can flesh thing out however they want, I wouldn't even be surprised if that was part of the original agreement. Even so, we know he writes some parts of the dialogue and has to think things through from scratch so that might explain why it took that time (also, he wanted to get out so he might have procrastinated a bit).

[Noah]

I got pretty annoyed when I first heard about Freeza being part of the plot again, but thinking more about it I think there's a possibility of this turning out to be great if they do right, but sad that they opted to sacrifice Mr. Boo with all his crazy abillities and interactions he could provide in order to bring back Freeza once more.

[GodKaio-Ken]

It's worth mentioning that no, no one "literally" said barebones. That's on whoever translated that interview. Basing a point on that is..dangerous, to say the least.

Fine I'll wait for your translation then.

Barebones just means underlying basic structure. For a show that can mean a lot or not much.

ok now come on guys. The context of the text clearly indicates there wasn't much detail and they had to add to it to fully form it. Why the mental gymnastics when the producer said it very plainly?

That isn't mental gymnastics...it's what the term means.

[kinisking]

I dont understand why this is still a discussion topic the Producer of Super literally said his outline is barebones to the point where they have to flesh it out.

That just means Toriyama doesn't write every single thing. But, people try to act like he just writes bullet points. I think his outlines are a lot more detailed than that and I also believe he writes some of the dialogue.

The producer of the show literally uses the term "barebones", I don't know what other possible statement he could have made to state that the outline is barebones and the community take him at his word and believe him.

Again, barebones just means that he doesn't write every little thing. It could still mean he writes every plot development, but not all the dialogue.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Again, barebones just means that he doesn't write every little thing.

Except that's not actually what it means.

On this topic, if you compare the anime and manga, it's not hard to get a general sense of what Toriyama provides. Certain phrases of dialogue are shared, certain plot points have to occur in some way or another, and the characters occasionally give the same visual cues. This implies that Toriyama writes major plot points, a few lines of dialogue that he deems important, and probably some sketches of certain character movements and environments every now and then.

[Ki Breaker]

So I read somewhere BOG movie was funded by Japanese government, how true is that?

[ArchedThunder]

So I read somewhere BOG movie was funded by Japanese government, how true is that?

About $600,000 of the movie's budget was from a government grant.

[kinisking]

Again, barebones just means that he doesn't write every little thing.

Except that's not actually what it means.

On this topic, if you compare the anime and manga, it's not hard to get a general sense of what Toriyama provides. Certain phrases of dialogue are shared, certain plot points have to occur in some way or another, and the characters occasionally give the same visual cues. This implies that Toriyama writes major plot points, a few lines of dialogue that he deems important, and probably some sketches of certain character movements and environments every now and then.

Your link doesn't disprove anything I said. It still means he didn't write every little thing and what's essential can really mean anything depending on who's saying it.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Again, barebones just means that he doesn't write every little thing.

Except that's not actually what it means.

On this topic, if you compare the anime and manga, it's not hard to get a general sense of what Toriyama provides. Certain phrases of dialogue are shared, certain plot points have to occur in some way or another, and the characters occasionally give the same visual cues. This implies that Toriyama writes major plot points, a few lines of dialogue that he deems important, and probably some sketches of certain character movements and environments every now and then.

Your link doesn't disprove anything I said.

Under the description you gave, "barebones" could mean anything from brushing your teeth to building a car with only 3 tires. It's unwise to work under such a loose interpretation of a concept. I don't disagree with anything else you said.

[ArchedThunder]

V-Jump is leaking, I've only seen Dokkan stuff and a page for the new 4D attraction.
Hopefully we get something for Super.

[Grimlock]

Dokkan Battle is always the first thing to leak and it's always this early. It means nothing when it comes down to when to expect other stuff to leak unless we're lucky, but that's generally unlikely.

[Ki Breaker]

So I read somewhere BOG movie was funded by Japanese government, how true is that?

About $600,000 of the movie's budget was from a government grant.

So was it's huge popularity the only reason for this?

[ArchedThunder]

So I read somewhere BOG movie was funded by Japanese government, how true is that?

About $600,000 of the movie's budget was from a government grant.

So was it's huge popularity the only reason for this?

From Wikipedia.

In September, it was announced that the film was one of four that year, and the only animated one, to receive money from the Japanese government as part of the non-profit organization UNIJAPAN's "Co-production Certification Program". Toei received 50 million yen (roughly US$636,000) from the Agency for Cultural Affairs, whose aim is to promote Japanese arts and culture, with the United States named as the film's partner country.