Chelentano wrote:
That's precisely the thing here, neither of us is talking about facts, just subjective interpretations of a few sentences. And I'll say it again: neither of us.
And that is the problem. If Toyo was going to go this route, then it was obligation to explain how Black and Future Zamasu could used the Time Rings and not be true Supreme Kais when Gowasu said you can't used the Time Rings without being a Supreme Kai.
To be blunt, Toyo blew it.
TheSaiyanGod wrote:And the manga isn't confirming that Gowasu is talking about only rules. You just headcanon it.
I'm raising assumptions as long as you say this for sure, just to give more negatives to the chapter
It deserves the negativity if it can't be bother to explain its own plot point. This is Storytelling 101.
LightBing wrote:
I don't know why they made him an apprentice. Why does it matter? I already said that's it's a problem that they didn't bother telling him about such an upside.
Why doesn't it work? Vegeta said he would handle Black and just told them to stop Zamasu from healing him. Goku trusted him, it's in-character. That's why he turned Blue to go and handle Zamasu. Only afterwards was Vegeta definitely proven to be weaker than Black.
With all due respect I won't continue this conversation. You have every right to criticize the manga and point out it's flaws, but that seems that's all you want to do. You aren't bashing it because, you're being respectful and justifying it, I appreciate you for that.
But, yeah. I'm not in the job of defending the manga from a persecution attorney(if I'm allowed the joke). Carry on.
You misread what I wrote. I don't have a problem with Trunks being an apprentice. My problem is Trunks getting healing power from it and no one bother to tell him and him not asking apparently why he needed to become an apprentice. It makes Trunks look stupid.
Again, Vegeta got his ass kicked by Black Rose. Goku could have gone in and taken over after Vegeta went down and let Trunks handled Future Zamasu. It makes no sense for Goku to hold this kind of power back at that moment, especially when they were forced to retreat and living Trunks to fend off Black and Zamasu.
All I want to do? I pointed out the things I liked about this chapter in my giant review like Goku mastering Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and I will even give Toyo props for Vegeta's speech and him letting Vegeta get smashed by Merged Zamasu. I responded to the people who didn't like my criticism and gave them the reason why I think these things make no sense. I also pointed out why some of the explanation you gave for why things happened doesn't make much sense. I mean, if you like it fine, but there is a lot in this chapter that simply don't make sense when you think about it for any amount of time.
My biggest problem with this chapter is that it seems Toyo pulled stuff out of his butt, gave a half-hearted explanation, and didn't think about the longterm consequences of what he did. If this was the anime or Toriyama did this I would call attention to it, just like I still I am not happy about the plot hole regarding Cell's head being blown off.
