"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

Can people stop pussifying themselves by saying "the xyz-word" and just say the damn word? This irks me more than it should.

But... it may offend someone. I noticed someone couldnt say the "g" word so instead uses "okama" haha.

Gay isn't an offensive word unless using it as an insult btw.
The person who said Okama earlier was referring to crossdressing men, not just gay men.

[Doctor.]

Can people stop pussifying themselves by saying "the xyz-word" and just say the damn word? This irks me more than it should.

But... it may offend someone. I noticed someone couldnt say the "g" word so instead uses "okama" haha.

But people are using it in a referential context. They're not calling anyone the word. Saying "whatever-word" is silly. Say "cunt," "whore," "nigger" and "faggot."

[PMD]

Oooh boy here we go.....can we just not go there people.

People? You mean "you people"?? What do you mean with "you people"?

I'm just kidding. Everybody chill. It was a good argument tho. It's cool to see people fighting against normalized misogyny in this forum.

Not only that, everyone is being in character till now, it's going good, too good actually

True.

Goku has treated well compared to the Black Arc, he is now more like Buu Saga self.

And Krillin reacting to Goku wanting to bring back Frieza to the point of qutting the U7 team is logical, why would he want to team with a guy that is rotten to the core?

Beerus has been the smartest guy in U7, he wanted to go to Mr Satans house and beat up Buu, he shows that he really is taking the ToP seriously, and props to Toei for remembering the pudding incident.

I thought exactly the same during the episode! Also, when Beerus got mad I was like "awesome, Beerus is saying what I think!" (and probably what every fan should think in terms of that terrible idea about Buu sleeping again just because)

[FortuneSSJ]

They didn't rushed the Champa Saga since the scope was simply smaller. This is like claiming that the Saiyan Saga is rushed compared to the Namek/Freeza Saga.

It's nothing like that.

They had 5 days before the tournament and instead of using them as build up they rushed everything.
We only had 15 seconds of Goku vs Vegeta training.
Beerus/Whis quest for Monaka was not shown.
Nothing about Champa/Vados recruitment was shown.
Both Goku vs Botamo and Goku vs Frost started and ended in the same episode.
Vegeta vs Cabba only lasted one episode. The story would flow out better if the first episode was Vegeta pushing Cabba to become SSJ and then the next one started with SSJ Vegeta vs SSJ Cabba.

[SansrivaaL]

Can people stop pussifying themselves by saying "the xyz-word" and just say the damn word? This irks me more than it should.

But... it may offend someone. I noticed someone couldnt say the "g" word so instead uses "okama" haha.

Gay isn't an offensive word unless using it as an insult btw.
The person who said Okama earlier was referring to crossdressing men, not just gay men.

Oh, otokonoko woulda been better than okama since it literally means gay. That aside I thought "bitch" was supposed to be the fun word since... a lot of comedians use it and isnt so frowned upon like "nigger" I'm not quite familiar but is saying bitch really that bad? I mean I dont use it in real life so much since I barely have any english only speaking friends, most of them are either Japanese or from my home country... and I wonder if this is really an ok place to talk about this cause if not then lets stop.

[zamasu121]

Oooh boy here we go.....can we just not go there people.

People? You mean "you people"?? What do you mean with "you people"?

''tropic thunder'' reference?

[perucho1990]

I thought exactly the same during the episode! Also, when Beerus got mad I was like "awesome, Beerus is saying what I think!" (and probably what every fan should think in terms of that terrible idea about Buu sleeping again just because)

I'm looking forward to seeing Beerus reaction to Goku wanting to recruit Frieza to the team, he will the first one to decline(even before Krillin imo).

[ArchedThunder]

I'm not quite familiar but is saying bitch really that bad?

In the context of just calling someone that because they are a woman, yes.

[HeroR]

They didn't rushed the Champa Saga since the scope was simply smaller. This is like claiming that the Saiyan Saga is rushed compared to the Namek/Freeza Saga.

It's nothing like that.

They had 5 days before the tournament and instead of using them as build up they rushed everything.
We only had 15 seconds of Goku vs Vegeta training.
Beerus/Whis quest for Monaka was not shown.
Nothing about Champa/Vados recruitment was shown.
Both Goku vs Botamo and Goku vs Frost started and ended in the same episode.
Vegeta vs Cabba only lasted one episode. The story would flow out better if the first episode was Vegeta pushing Cabba to become SSJ and then the next one started with SSJ Vegeta vs SSJ Cabba.

Build what? They obviously wanted the U6 team to be a surprised since Champa only mentioned getting Saiyans on his team. So the reveal was purposely saved for when the tournament was about to start.

Even in this arc we barely seen anyone train for an episode except Gohan to explain why he went from Super Saiyan back to Ultimate. Everyone else got only a few minutes.

Since Monaka was a troll, they purposely revealed little about him and in the grand scheme of things, he wasn't all that important to waste much time on.

Read my first point.

Did we really need an episode of Goku and Botamo's fight, and did we really need an episode of Goku and Frost's fight since we just came off of Resurrection 'F'?

Why did Vegeta and Cabba fight need more than one episode? Honestly what you suggest is just needless padding and the fight length was perfect. We didn't need an episode of Vegeta kicking Cabba's ass to get him enraged like a old Z episode and Super Saiyan Cabba was short and sweet.

Overall, the Champa Saga didn't need any of the stuff you mentioned. The reason why this saga needs a lot of building is because there are more universes, more fighters, biggest stakes, and even then we're not seeing everything. So you really can't compared the Champa Saga to this one. It is like calling the Saiyan Saga rushed because it isn't the length of the Namek/Frieza Saga, especially the Saiyan Saga in the manga that didn't have all the filler with the Z-Fighters training.

And to be frank, the building could have been shortened in this saga. 17 didn't need two episodes with space poachers and Tien and Roshi didn't need an episode with Yuri. I also think Episode 90 would have worked better without the double team between Piccolo and Gohan vs. Goku and Tien. They should have just done Gohan vs. Goku and they could have devoted the rest of the time to something else. Overall, these recruitments episodes would have flowed better if they cut off two or three episodes.

[The gr]

I thought exactly the same during the episode! Also, when Beerus got mad I was like "awesome, Beerus is saying what I think!" (and probably what every fan should think in terms of that terrible idea about Buu sleeping again just because)

I'm looking forward to seeing Beerus reaction to Goku wanting to recruit Frieza to the team, he will the first one to decline(even before Krillin imo).

Why Beerus,he don't have a personal beef with frieza like krillin and vegeta,I'm sure he and whis know is necessary to do this

[SansrivaaL]

I'm not quite familiar but is saying bitch really that bad?

In the context of just calling someone that because they are a woman, yes.

Even if that so called woman is a fictional character that doesnt exist that wont get hurt from me calling it by that?

[ArchedThunder]

Even if that so called woman is a fictional character that doesnt exist that wont get hurt from me calling it by that?

Like I said before, it's not an issue of hurting a fictional character's feelings, it's an issue of casual misogyny.

But people are using it in a referential context. They're not calling anyone the word. Saying "whatever-word" is silly. Say "cunt," "whore," "nigger" and "faggot."

Is it so hard to just not say the n word? Like seriously.
I'd also appreciate it if you didn't use that last one either as it's personally offensive to me.

[FortuneSSJ]

It is like calling the Saiyan Saga rushed because it isn't the length of the Namek/Frieza Saga, especially the Saiyan Saga in the manga that didn't have all the filler with the Z-Fighters training.

Agree to disagree.
I actually think the Saiyan arc is rushed in the manga, because we don't see Gohan's growth in the first 6 months.

[HeroR]

It is like calling the Saiyan Saga rushed because it isn't the length of the Namek/Frieza Saga, especially the Saiyan Saga in the manga that didn't have all the filler with the Z-Fighters training.

Agree to disagree.
I actually think the Saiyan arc is rushed in the manga, because we don't see Gohan's growth in the first 6 months.

The anime took it too far in the other direction and it dragged, which was actually fixed in Kai. It's same problem they're doing here which is why a lot of fans are going "just get to the tournament already!". Like I said, they could have easily shaved off two or three episodes and showed us everything we needed to see. Which is why I actually do prefer the pacing of the Champa Saga to this. I don't have the patient I used to watched shows being long-winded, which is why I rarely watched shows live anymore and marathon.

[Lord Frieza]

What Archedthunder means is this....

Some women is giving you a hard time or is being rude to you for non reason, calling her a Bitch ie a "horrible women" is fine.

But when using Bitch like "she's my bitch" or "look at all dem bitchs" is not ok since the term is being used to describe women as inferior, weak, belonging to someone or something for a man to conquer rather then a person to earn the attraction of.

[SansrivaaL]

Even if that so called woman is a fictional character that doesnt exist that wont get hurt from me calling it by that?

Like I said before, it's not an issue of hurting a fictional character's feelings, it's an issue of casual misogyny.

So mixing real life girls with fictional ones... I still dont get how its a bad thing but alright.

[Doctor.]

Is it so hard to just not say the n word? Like seriously.
I'd also appreciate it if you didn't use that last one either as it's personally offensive to me.

Definitely. People should be allowed to say what they want. Of course they have to face the consequences of what they say, but the moment we start dictating what people can and can't say, the moment I'm going to have a problem with it.

I don't see why you should be offended by it, I'm using it in a referential context, I'm not calling you anything. The word applies to me as well, should I be offended by... myself?

[SansrivaaL]

What Archedthunder means is this....

Some women is giving you a hard time or is being rude to you for non reason, calling her a Bitch ie a "horrible women" is fine.

But when using Bitch like "she's my bitch" or "look at all dem bitchs" is not ok since the term is being used to describe women as inferior, weak, belonging to someone or something for a man to conquer rather then a person to earn the attraction of.

I get what he means, but in my mind I dont mix real girls with fictional girls. I guess that stood out as a bad thing.

[Ki Breaker]

Even if that so called woman is a fictional character that doesnt exist that wont get hurt from me calling it by that?

Dude, drop it..
It dosen't matter. At all..
Could you have avoided saying it? Yes, does it matter? Hell no..

You called a drawing a bitch, if someone decides to take offense for the freaking drawing, not your issue..

It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."

Lastly, it's not okay to call a living person a bitch just because of their gender, which you didn't right now..

Just my two cents

[Bullza]

The more familiar we get with every other character, the worse it would feel when they get erased..
Hell I am already feeling bad for gowasu and the wolf pack

That'd only make it better I think. That way it's not fodder that you don't know getting erased but characters you're familiar with and who might like instead.