Zephyr wrote:
There is zero reason to tell what can be clearly shown. And it was pretty clearly shown. Vegeta got stupid powerful in a form. Later, he was once again stupid powerful in said form. How on the nose do you honestly need a story to be?
Yes there is since there is no reason to assumed that Vegeta kept the rage boost he got when Beerus slapped Bulma. Toyo is willing to explain several aspects in his manga, some times to the point of repeating himself. Although I do some times get annoyed where he points out something obvious, I do like that he does try to explain stuff while the anime tends to leave stuff vague like how exactly did Black's power-ups work. Even if his explanations at times make little sense, Mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.
Yet, he couldn't bother to tell us that Vegeta kept the power of his rage boost, but instead have Goku and Trunks wondering why Black was getting beating up. Yet, I have all these posters tell me that I should just take it as fact that Vegeta's Super Saiyan 2 is super strong from his rage boost when no other rage boost in the series worked that way outside of Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 which were explicitly new forms. So at this moment, Vegeta's rage boost and mutated Super Saiyan is at best fanon. Plausible, but the manga never stated it to be such, like Goten and Trunks getting Super Saiyan easily because their fathers were Super Saiyan.
Basako wrote:
There is no such page, never said there was. But I'm not gonna assume it was temporary just to pretend there is a problem in the manga with nothing to support it like you do. Now, Vegeta fighting against Black like he did, that's it man, there's the prove, we don't need someone stating it, we saw it. You say it was temporary, you prove it.
Look, considering your theory that it was only temporary against Beerus, that wouldn't be a problem either, it would only mean he got it later, like training as we know he did twice for long periods, because that is what we saw against Black. But, again, this is just a hypothetical scenario, because nothing indicates it was temporary at all, nothing. It's just your headcanon.
Nothing has been said about rage boosts ever, that's just your headcanon and it's not valid as evidence. The manga is totally fine about this.
Which is a big problem. And why should I assumed it wasn't temporary since all rage boosts outside of a new form like Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and even Super Saiyan Rage were anger triggers. Only the anime gave any hints of the rage boost being possibly forever since they called it a mutation and they called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan a mutation of Super Saiyan God. In the movie and manga, it's presented as a standard rage boost. So I don't see how "assume it was temporary" is a theory when it's a theory to assumed he kept the power since the manga, anime, nor the movie claimed that he did.
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta vs. Super Saiyan 1/2 Black isn't evidence of a Vegeta having a mutated Super Saiyan form so much as questionable scaling since Toyo never bother to present the Super Saiyan form as an upgrade like he did with Super Saiyan 2 Trunks. I also find it amusing that asking for just a line is just too much and we should go with the assumption that he kept the power and anything else is a theory or 'headcanon'.
As things stand, it is your and other headcanon and fanon that Vegeta kept the power of his rage boost that mutated his Super Saiyan 2 to the point that he can willingly call upon the power he used to fight Beerus. Which is nice, but not lets pretend the manga said this was the case.
