Do you like SSJ3 being a failed transformation?

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Re: Do you like SSJ3 being a failed transformation?

Post by Desassina » Mon May 15, 2017 4:54 pm

When it gets the job done faster than SSJ2, you can hardly call it a failed transformation, because it's only energy that depletes him. The problem is that Goku showed off too much and that SSJB plus Kaioken is now the alternative.

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Re: Do you like SSJ3 being a failed transformation?

Post by sintzu » Mon May 15, 2017 9:39 pm

precita wrote:I actually never liked the names "Super Saiyan 2 or 3."

They should have just called it "Super Saiyan Perfect Form" or "Super Saiyan Ultimate" or something like that. That way it feels less like new transformations and just powered up or perfected versions of Super Saiyan.
I think Ssj2 is a prefected Ssj1 & Ssj3 is the true next level Ssj2. Toriyama even thought that's what it was when he started working on BOG.
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Re: Do you like SSJ3 being a failed transformation?

Post by mallaard » Wed May 31, 2017 10:51 am

I like the idea. Goku seems to be eager to push every technique to its practical limit and beyond, so it makes sense that he'd create SS3, and is now experimenting with Kaioken within SSGSS form. I always wondered why Vegeta could never achieve SS3 in canon, but reading some of the comments here I almost wonder if it just occurred to him how impractical of a form it is and chose not to pursue it - hence his surpassing Goku's power during the Beerus fight while still in SS2 form. But then again I'm probably giving Vegeta too much credit here.

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Re: Do you like SSJ3 being a failed transformation?

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed May 31, 2017 8:19 pm

mallaard wrote:I like the idea. Goku seems to be eager to push every technique to its practical limit and beyond, so it makes sense that he'd create SS3, and is now experimenting with Kaioken within SSGSS form. I always wondered why Vegeta could never achieve SS3 in canon, but reading some of the comments here I almost wonder if it just occurred to him how impractical of a form it is and chose not to pursue it - hence his surpassing Goku's power during the Beerus fight while still in SS2 form. But then again I'm probably giving Vegeta too much credit here.
Gotenks needed the magic and power of fusion and Goku needed otherworld to gain and successfully utilise the form, I think it is safe to say that SS3 is beyond the capabilities of a Saiyan not on otherworld. I am sure Vegeta tried like always but realised it was a lost cause.

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Re: Do you like SSJ3 being a failed transformation?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed May 31, 2017 8:38 pm

Thing is, it isn't actually a failure in itself. The technique was created to be used with a dead body, and all of its deficiencies are a result of transplanting the technique to an incompatible environment, the lower realm. If Goku hadn't died, it's likely that Goku would have written off the transformation as inefficient, and pursued something else, perhaps the same enhanced SS2 that Trunks developed in the manga. However, since he was dead, and SS3 is a viable transformation in the afterlife, its prior use, and more recently, the lack of use, makes sense.
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Re: Do you like SSJ3 being a failed transformation?

Post by Duo » Wed May 31, 2017 11:32 pm

I disagree with the premise of Super Saiyan 3 being a failed transformation. It may not be credited for an impressive number of victories by user, but it definitely sets itself apart. Only two characters have achieved it, one of which is a fusion. Every other variant (exceptions being Movie 4 Super Saiyan and Broli's bullshit) of every other Saiyan form has been shown off by more characters except for God and Blue, both of which have probably had more screen/panel time/emphasis by this point. It also sports an extremely distinct appearance that does not lead to frustrating arguments about which form certain characters were using at certain times. On top of all that, it has generally received above-average animation when it has appeared (ex: first appearance, Movie 12, BoG). Super Saiyan 3 always garners a great deal of attention when it appears. Not a failure in my eyes.

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