Vegeta's Ozaru power

[Saturnine]

Ok, so I browsed a thread from 2016 about Nappa's power being 4000 or higher and it reminded me of another thing.

Why do most people state that Vegeta's Ozaru power was 180,000 without a second thought? There were numerous statements in that battle that Vegeta's power has been dropping, most notably when he created the fake moon. 18k is his peak power when he's fully rested and powered up to the maximum. He'd sustained a lot of damage since the beginning of the fight, and then created said artificial moon, which should definitely have decreased his power by quite a significant amount.

Since Goku stated that he didn't get any slower by transforming into an ape, and yet he could still dodge his blows (with his own power being around 8k or less due to exhaustion), this could mean Vegeta's Ozaru power was only at around 80k or so. A precise determination would require examining every instance where Vegeta's ki is said to have decreased, which happens when you either sustain an injury or use beam attacks requiring a lot of ki.

[Rubens]

Well, Vegeta had sustained a beating from Goku, was also hit from Goku's kaioken kamehameha and on top of that, when he creates the fake moon, Goku mentions how Vegeta's power dropped even further by doing so. Ideally, being fully healed and whatnot, yes his full power as an oozaru would be around 180k. Given these conditions, adding Goku's statement that even with a kaioken x5 he'd have no chance Vegeta as an Oozaru would be way over 40k but also a lot less than 180k.

[cheddarsword]

interestingly enough, this argument also applies to SS Goku Vs. Freeza.

Maybe you could try drawing some parallels and see if that helps explain anything.

[theherodjl]

Onto something related, how much power did Vegeta lose while in Oozaru form?
After sustaining an eye injury and having his tail cut off Vegeta was somewhere just above an angry Gohan in strength, did transforming actually lower his overall strength upon returning to base state?

[ssbgoku]

interestingly enough, this argument also applies to SS Goku Vs. Freeza.

Maybe you could try drawing some parallels and see if that helps explain anything.

IMO Goku got heavily damaged by Frieeza until moment he transformed in ss, so I assume goku dropped from 3 million to maybe 2.5 millin before he transformed making him 125 million pl which would be barerly above damaged frieeza full power 120 mil pl

Onto something related, how much power did Vegeta lose while in Oozaru form?
After sustaining an eye injury and having his tail cut off Vegeta was somewhere just above an angry Gohan in strength, did transforming actually lower his overall strength upon returning to base state?

I guess I could make such list:

- Damaged by Kamehameha of goku kaioken vegeta - 14400
- after creating fake moon vegeta - 7000 ( maybe a bit below of 50% of full fresh power)
- Oozaru Vegeta - 70 000
- post Oozaru Vegeta - 5 000
- against angry gohan Vegeta - 4000

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta flat out says that making the fake moon would drop his power, even if you ignore stuff like battle damage and exhaustion, he cannot be at a 180k when he uses Oozaru. When taking those aforementioned factors into account, he's probably got less than half that.

[dragon boss z]

I'm pretty sure when they say Oozaru Vegeta's power level is 180,000 they mean his full power, not his power that he actually displayed in the fight.

[Lord Frieza]

The Oozaru power boost has been long established to be 10x greater then base. Vegeta's power level was 18'000, 18'000 x 10 = 180'000

[dragonball0900]

The Oozaru power boost has been long established to be 10x greater then base. Vegeta's power level was 18'000, 18'000 x 10 = 180'000

We know that. The thing that is been talked here is Vegeta's Oozaru strenght seen in the series when he was against Goku, and it can't be 180,000 at that point in time since his power dropped when creating the energy for the fake moon.

[Lord Frieza]

The Oozaru power boost has been long established to be 10x greater then base. Vegeta's power level was 18'000, 18'000 x 10 = 180'000

We know that. The thing that is been talked here is Vegeta's Oozaru strenght seen in the series when he was against Goku, and it can't be 180,000 at that point in time since his power dropped when creating the energy for the fake moon.

True but really dose it matter? Goku burned out all his power trying to beat base Vegeta, regardless of the power drop Goku would still be horribly outclassed.

[theherodjl]

I guess I could make such list:

- Damaged by Kamehameha of goku kaioken vegeta - 14400
- after creating fake moon vegeta - 7000 ( maybe a bit below of 50% of full fresh power)
- Oozaru Vegeta - 70 000
- post Oozaru Vegeta - 5 000
- against angry gohan Vegeta - 4000

4000? That would make him as strong as Nappa, Gohan's power level enraged before was just 2800 with a big Ki blast that did little to Nappa besides make his arm sting. Gohan managed to trade some blows with Vegeta so it would make more sense for Vegeta to be somewhere around 3000ish.

[Tectorman]

I guess I could make such list:

- Damaged by Kamehameha of goku kaioken vegeta - 14400
- after creating fake moon vegeta - 7000 ( maybe a bit below of 50% of full fresh power)
- Oozaru Vegeta - 70 000
- post Oozaru Vegeta - 5 000
- against angry gohan Vegeta - 4000

4000? That would make him as strong as Nappa, Gohan's power level enraged before was just 2800 with a big Ki blast that did little to Nappa besides make his arm sting. Gohan managed to trade some blows with Vegeta so it would make more sense for Vegeta to be somewhere around 3000ish.

It would work if you consider that Gohan probably Zenkai'd after that half-a-Senzu-bean he had. True, I think he only really suffered a kick to the chest and he only got halfway healed, but Zenkais were never formulaic in how much benefit they give.

[theherodjl]

I guess I could make such list:

- Damaged by Kamehameha of goku kaioken vegeta - 14400
- after creating fake moon vegeta - 7000 ( maybe a bit below of 50% of full fresh power)
- Oozaru Vegeta - 70 000
- post Oozaru Vegeta - 5 000
- against angry gohan Vegeta - 4000

4000? That would make him as strong as Nappa, Gohan's power level enraged before was just 2800 with a big Ki blast that did little to Nappa besides make his arm sting. Gohan managed to trade some blows with Vegeta so it would make more sense for Vegeta to be somewhere around 3000ish.

It would work if you consider that Gohan probably Zenkai'd after that half-a-Senzu-bean he had. True, I think he only really suffered a kick to the chest and he only got halfway healed, but Zenkais were never formulaic in how much benefit they give.

Possibly?
I remember Gohan's PL upon arriving on Namek was 1500 compared to his 981 after Piccolo's training, though that difference may have been just a ruse as Vegeta did say they could hide their true battle power so perhaps Gohan was 1500 then too?